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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 08:04 PM Jun 2015

I like Hillary, but I didn't like Claire McCaskill's comments at all.

In fact, they were borderline offensive. And also completely pointless. Hillary's going to win the primary, there's no point at all in attacking Bernie, comparing him to Pat Buchanan, and in so doing further alienating his supporters and ultimately making them less likely to enthusiastically support Hillary in the GE.

Bernie's message is a good one, and it's one that should be heard and celebrated. He's drawing huge crowds because he has important things to say. Can he win a national election? No. But that's not a reason to bash him.

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I like Hillary, but I didn't like Claire McCaskill's comments at all. (Original Post) DanTex Jun 2015 OP
Agree. Most were unnecessary. riversedge Jun 2015 #1
I am not sure Hillary WILL winthe primary. Claire McCaskell was offensive. And she got her A$$ peacebird Jun 2015 #2
Agreed Sherman A1 Jun 2015 #4
actually hrc winning the primary is NOT a sure thing restorefreedom Jun 2015 #24
Good point. NT. Doctor Who Jun 2015 #39
She had her ass handed to her. HappyMe Jun 2015 #3
Who handed Claire's ass to her? leftofcool Jun 2015 #6
Here you go -- HappyMe Jun 2015 #11
Yawn leftofcool Jun 2015 #28
Go to bed, dearie. HappyMe Jun 2015 #30
Wth? I haven't read what she wrote.. but, I can't imagine Hillary being happy with what you Cha Jun 2015 #5
She called Bernie a socialist and too liberal. leftofcool Jun 2015 #8
I've heard that complaint before somewhere, I just can't quite put my finger on it Fumesucker Jun 2015 #12
Press Coverage Horizens Jun 2015 #7
Thats why the Clinton camp will likely always attack NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #9
More generally, this is why all candidates attack through surrogates. DanTex Jun 2015 #10
That crap doesn't fool anybody. HappyMe Jun 2015 #13
What crap? DanTex Jun 2015 #17
The surrogate/minion crap. HappyMe Jun 2015 #21
It's effective. That's why people do it. Plausible deniability. DanTex Jun 2015 #23
Sometimes just makes the minion and HappyMe Jun 2015 #25
Yeah, I agree with you about Claire today. And yet, using surrogates is still an effective DanTex Jun 2015 #26
Sorry, they own them. Because it originated there. HappyMe Jun 2015 #27
+1. Although I disagree with your opinion he can't win the GE. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #14
Did you see the latest NH polls? Bernie 2016 Jun 2015 #15
The CNN poll? LMAO! leftofcool Jun 2015 #29
Laugh at your own peril.... Bernie 2016 Jun 2015 #33
Who is more popular with MO independents? Bernie or Claire. NPolitics1979 Jun 2015 #16
I have no idea. Who is it? DanTex Jun 2015 #20
gutierrez did the same thing. JI7 Jun 2015 #18
I saw that and thought WTF! a Dem acting like underthematrix Jun 2015 #19
I agree completely. Hillary can easily and comfortably win the primary without going negative. DanTex Jun 2015 #22
She can stay "above the fray" - she can just sic her surrogates to do her dirty work Bernie 2016 Jun 2015 #34
Yes, we've seen it before. PatrickforO Jun 2015 #42
I agree they were not helpful. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #31
She got herself on Hillary's shit list in 2007 and has geek tragedy Jun 2015 #32
I think HRC operation will get much slimier than this Doctor_J Jun 2015 #35
Oh, yeah, a lot slimier azmom Jun 2015 #38
Are you SURE of that number??? PatrickforO Jun 2015 #41
I despise McCaskill. She's everything I dislike in this Party and a good deal of what I dislike Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #36
She made the mistake of being candid. tritsofme Jun 2015 #37
We all know the Clinton surrogates get tough. It's how they play. PatrickforO Jun 2015 #40
There is no certainty at all that Hillary will win the primary, she is losing points sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #43

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
2. I am not sure Hillary WILL winthe primary. Claire McCaskell was offensive. And she got her A$$
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 08:08 PM
Jun 2015

handed to her and looked like a fool.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
24. actually hrc winning the primary is NOT a sure thing
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 09:01 PM
Jun 2015

which is why the attacks on bernie are getting more vile. they are genuinely nervous.

is anyone attacking trump? no..they are laughing at him. but they aren't laughing at bernie.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
3. She had her ass handed to her.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 08:15 PM
Jun 2015

This kind of garbage doesn't play well with voters.

I don't think Hillary is a shoo in, nor can she necessarily win election with nasty BS like this.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
5. Wth? I haven't read what she wrote.. but, I can't imagine Hillary being happy with what you
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 08:32 PM
Jun 2015

describe, either.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
8. She called Bernie a socialist and too liberal.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 08:34 PM
Jun 2015

The comments were not ugly. She was giving her opinion.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
12. I've heard that complaint before somewhere, I just can't quite put my finger on it
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 08:48 PM
Jun 2015

Socialist?

Socialist?

Hmmm... Oh well, maybe it will come to me in a little while, I know I've heard that word used in a derogatory manner before by someone, maybe it was on the radio while I was driving.

 

Horizens

(637 posts)
7. Press Coverage
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 08:34 PM
Jun 2015

She "never reads in any of the {press) coverage that he's a Socialist". And the the press never mentions that Hillary's an
Oligarchist.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
9. Thats why the Clinton camp will likely always attack
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 08:43 PM
Jun 2015

through surrogates...specifically so you continue to like her. Her surrogates, not so much, but that doesn't matter because (s) they're not the ones running for POTUS, and (b) voters have short term memory anyway.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
25. Sometimes just makes the minion and
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 09:02 PM
Jun 2015

the candidate look like assholes. Pretty much what darling Claire did today.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
26. Yeah, I agree with you about Claire today. And yet, using surrogates is still an effective
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 09:04 PM
Jun 2015

technique, precisely because it allows a candidate to get their attacks out there without having to own them.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
27. Sorry, they own them. Because it originated there.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 09:07 PM
Jun 2015

Everybody and his damn brother knows this.

Effective? Nah.


 

Bernie 2016

(90 posts)
15. Did you see the latest NH polls?
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 08:50 PM
Jun 2015

It's a lot closer than it appears. Looks like within the next few weeks, he'll be leading NH and IA, and working on SC and NV.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
19. I saw that and thought WTF! a Dem acting like
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 08:54 PM
Jun 2015

a wingnut rightie. Geez! Let's be real. Both Hillary and Bernie are very smart people and very accomplished. Dissing Hillary or Bernie with GOP dogwhistles really defeats the purpose of keeping the WH and taking back Congress in 2016.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
22. I agree completely. Hillary can easily and comfortably win the primary without going negative.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 08:57 PM
Jun 2015

Just say that Bernie is great and has an important message but Hillary has the experience and leadership credentials and proven record of standing up for working Americans and so on.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
35. I think HRC operation will get much slimier than this
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 09:49 PM
Jun 2015

She has the wall street money and the adoring fan base that will go as low as necessary to cut off any challenges. She'll probably need them for the ge, as a lot of dems are going to be turned off during the primary.

PatrickforO

(14,578 posts)
41. Are you SURE of that number???
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:02 AM
Jun 2015

$2.5 billion?

That's an awful lot of money. It stretches credulity that one candidate should have much, and honestly it makes me want to vomit that these people (all of them and their super PACS) are spending SO much money that could be used instead to help people instead of just get them power.

Too much money.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
36. I despise McCaskill. She's everything I dislike in this Party and a good deal of what I dislike
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:51 PM
Jun 2015

about the Republican Party rolled into one smug, rich, corrupt package.

PatrickforO

(14,578 posts)
40. We all know the Clinton surrogates get tough. It's how they play.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:59 AM
Jun 2015

I guess we'll see if any of it sticks. You know, for years we've been told negative campaigns work, yet Bernie has said he won't be negative - he will just tell the truth. But will he have surrogates? Will they get tough? It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.

I grew up in the 60s, and at that time, we all naively believed the good guys always won in the end because truth would prevail. Bernie does not seem to love power; he did not seem to want to run, and yet is perhaps doing so from a sense of responsibility. I wonder if it will work for him (and for us)?

I hope it does.



sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
43. There is no certainty at all that Hillary will win the primary, she is losing points
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:34 AM
Jun 2015

daily, latest poll from Iowa eg, shows her down six points, Bernie up six points.

McCaskill herself is offensive, she is all that is wrong with the Dem Party.

As far as Bernie supporters supporting Hillary IF she should win, many are signing up as Dems JUST to vote for Bernie, they will definitely NOT vote for Hillary and the Dem Party should not count on that. They are people who left the Dem party, Independents who do not like what is going on with with Dem party and many who were previously non-voters, I've signed up a few of them, and they will not vote for Hillary as she represents the status quo, which is why they became non voters.

McCaskill betrayed the American people this week. She should be ashamed to show her face let alone attack someone who stood up for them and always has.

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