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still_one

(92,250 posts)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 09:14 PM Jun 2015

There are posts going around professing that Bernie will not be allowed on certain ballots, such as

NH and Kentucky. I am not sure how much validity there is or is not to this, but if the Democratic party believes that Nader was a factor in 2000, this will blow that out of the water.

Keep in mind I am not professing support for any potential Democratic candidate, but observing that at least 20% of Democrats support or are sympathetic to Bernie, and to prevent him from being on any ballot will hurt the Democratic party as a whole in the general election.

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There are posts going around professing that Bernie will not be allowed on certain ballots, such as (Original Post) still_one Jun 2015 OP
It is purely wishful thinking and hoping. n/t djean111 Jun 2015 #1
It is self-destructive thinking as I see it still_one Jun 2015 #3
Hillary supporters were pretty self destructive the last time too. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #20
The worry is that as the party begins to realize that he definitely could win.... daleanime Jun 2015 #2
Those elements may win the battle, but lose the war then. The battle being keeping a legitimate still_one Jun 2015 #4
They will lose the war if Bernie's campaign isn't Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #22
And then they will claim to be for voting rights Doctor_J Jun 2015 #5
Each state has the power from the constitution to regulate its elections. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #6
I sincerely believe that there are "blue dog like" elements who would rather see a Republican win GoneFishin Jun 2015 #7
He is not a registered democrat and that may exclude him WhiteTara Jun 2015 #8
From what I've read here on DU, individual voters in Vermont don't register to a party. cui bono Jun 2015 #9
oh, I thought this was about New Hampshire. nt WhiteTara Jun 2015 #10
You register in the state where you live Mnpaul Jun 2015 #16
The better example is Howard Dean Renew Deal Jun 2015 #15
I don't see that as a liabilty Mnpaul Jun 2015 #17
He's running as a Democrat according to the Democrats. He's on their first page. Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #13
That does not matter. Each state has rules in place. leftofcool Jun 2015 #24
Everyone needs to learn to . . . R. P. McMurphy Jun 2015 #11
There is some eerie precedent dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #12
That type of situation is not what I was referring to, and there is no reason all Democratic still_one Jun 2015 #14
Well, I'm glad for your position, but my example is not irrelevant dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #18
The Democratic party will implode if that occurs I believe still_one Jun 2015 #19
From your mouth to the DNC's ears. nt SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #21
Each state sets their own rules for who and who is not on the ballots. leftofcool Jun 2015 #23

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
2. The worry is that as the party begins to realize that he definitely could win....
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 09:19 PM
Jun 2015

certain elements may decide that winning is more important then saving face.

still_one

(92,250 posts)
4. Those elements may win the battle, but lose the war then. The battle being keeping a legitimate
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 09:23 PM
Jun 2015

candidate running as a Democrat off the battle, and the war being the general election



Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
22. They will lose the war if Bernie's campaign isn't
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:35 PM
Jun 2015

Granted the same access as any other Democratic candidate. I will likely vote for Hillary if she eins fair and square, but I see shenanigans, all bets are off.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
6. Each state has the power from the constitution to regulate its elections.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:07 PM
Jun 2015

As such, we do not have a real national election, we have fifty synchronized state elections.

So if that happens, it has nothing to do with the current Democratic Party shutting Sanders out of the election through electoral jigggery pokery.

Sanders has said that he will do what ever it takes to run in all fifty states. The Democratic Party even made an announcement that to qualify to be the nominee, all he needed to do was to win delegates.

I am not sure why this story keeps surfacing.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
7. I sincerely believe that there are "blue dog like" elements who would rather see a Republican win
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:08 PM
Jun 2015

the White House than for Bernie to become President, because I think for DINOs the real division is between the riff-raff and the fat-cats.

So it would not surprise me if corporatist Democrats undermined the democratic party to freeze out Bernie.

As to the truth of this specific rumor, I have not heard anything about it.

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)
8. He is not a registered democrat and that may exclude him
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:14 PM
Jun 2015

according to the rules. Maybe he should register as a democrat? He has also said he will not run a spoiler campaign and he seems to be a man of ethics and I believe he would stand behind that.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
9. From what I've read here on DU, individual voters in Vermont don't register to a party.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:18 PM
Jun 2015

I also read same thing is true in Illinois, which means Obama wasn't a registered Dem either. If that is true, then they've set the precedent by allowing Obama on so if the Dem Party leaders try to leave Bernie out it will show their true colors, that they only want allow corporate Dems on the ballots any more.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
16. You register in the state where you live
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:14 PM
Jun 2015

In his state it is non-partisan. I'm not registered as a Democrat either. I was a precinct chair in 2008. The only requirements for that were that I voted Democrat in the last or current election.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
17. I don't see that as a liabilty
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:17 PM
Jun 2015

After watching Claire McCaskill's (D) lame attack on him, it might be a plus.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
13. He's running as a Democrat according to the Democrats. He's on their first page.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:41 PM
Jun 2015
http://www.democrats.org/

So according to them, he's more official a Democrat than you or I, he's one of their candidates as also not incidentally a founder of the largest Democratic caucus within the US Congress, the Progressive Caucus. You are looking for what exactly again? A note from the Vermont Sec of State?

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
12. There is some eerie precedent
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:33 PM
Jun 2015

Not directly related, but in '08, a couple of states had moved their primaries earlier than the DLC authorized, Obama and Hillary said they wouldn't campaign in those states to honor the DNC's wishes, somehow Hillary's name ended up on the ballot but not Obama's, then later on Hillary tried to get those delegates counted for her.

I may not have every detail right, but I'm pretty confident in its general accuracy. Playing dirty like that caused a lot of controversy, but they thought it was worth it and went for it anyway. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bernie excluded for some primaries, I certainly wouldn't put it past them.

still_one

(92,250 posts)
14. That type of situation is not what I was referring to, and there is no reason all Democratic
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:55 PM
Jun 2015

candidates should not be on the Democratic ballot

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
18. Well, I'm glad for your position, but my example is not irrelevant
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:21 PM
Jun 2015

Its's a recent example (the last primary) by the same candidate (Hillary) to bend the primary rules in a highly controversial way to get delegates from a state or states without her opponent having been on the ballot.

I made no claim that it is the situation you are describing, merely that is a relevant precedent, and we should beware.

Again thanks for your position on this issue, having everyone on the ballot, I appreciate it.

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