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dsc

(52,164 posts)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:47 PM Jun 2015

I know it is too late for this time

but we really need to do something about the growing gulf between the first few states and what our party has become. The Democratic party is the party of urban and suburban voters. We are the party of LGBT, African Americans, Hispanics, Asians, Jews and other diversity. Our first four states are pretty much very little like that. Our first four states has one large city (Las Vegas). NH is 91.6 percent white. Iowa is 87.6 percent white. Neither of those states have a large city. Neither one of those states have any gay meccas. Neither state has significant Jewish population. In short, these voters are whiter, more rural, more Christian and less urban than our voters. In terms of race South Carolina is better (at least in terms of African Americans) but still no big cities. In 2004 and 2008 I suggested Maryland as either a replacement or a state to add. That wouldn't be very good this time since O'Malley is from there.

I admit to not completely knowing the solution (Maryland would have its own set of problems in that DC is an expensive market) but we do need to do something about this. The first four states have an immense amount of power in our primary system. By time they had weighed in in 2004 it was either Edwards or Kerry with Kerry in the drivers seat. In 2008 it was a two person race. This time it might be a one person race. That is an incredible amount of power. And for a party with voters as diverse as ours our, it is hard to see the legitimacy in giving such a non diverse electorate that kind of power. Barring a radical change in the demographic make up of those early states, this problem is only going to get worse going forward. By 2020 this problem needs to be solved. Some suggestions. Move North Carolina or Virginia up to 3rd primary. Or make Colorado or Washington State into primaries and move that state to 3rd. The states that winnow a field from several to one or two should be more reflective of the voters who support our candidates year in and year out. We could have Massachusetts as an early state. I am not particular as to which diverse state we use, just find a diverse state to put into the early rotation.

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I know it is too late for this time (Original Post) dsc Jun 2015 OP
The whole process needs to be looked at..... daleanime Jun 2015 #1
I'd like to see Florida first. Plenty of diversity and a swing state. A candidate who wins there stevenleser Jun 2015 #2
Florida's big problem is the expense of running there dsc Jun 2015 #3
They could put it two weeks after New Hampshire n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #5
Why does ANY state need (or deserve for that matter) to be "the first state" ? 99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #4
I think the reason that they are not all on one day is because of candidate exposure. The primary jwirr Jun 2015 #8
Well that is a consideration 99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #9
You are correct about the changes in the system. Don't know how to get from then to a new jwirr Jun 2015 #10
So what happens when the sea level rises and your primary state is underwater? Fumesucker Jun 2015 #6
Even though I am from a rural state I agree with this. Both Iowa and New Hampshire are jwirr Jun 2015 #7
There are those who advocate having just one big primary 99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #13
Thank you. jwirr Jun 2015 #14
My two picks for one of the first DVRacer Jun 2015 #11
I think Nevada or New Mexico would make for good earlier states. tritsofme Jun 2015 #12
the problem with big cities is it would be mostly a Media Campaign and would not have the one on one JI7 Jun 2015 #15
+1. I like the retail politics aspect of Iowa and New Hampshire. winter is coming Jun 2015 #18
I agree with your general premise. LWolf Jun 2015 #16
I didn't see your op when I posted this. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #17
A Small squabble: NH is the 2nd least religious state in the Country. bunnies Jun 2015 #19
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
2. I'd like to see Florida first. Plenty of diversity and a swing state. A candidate who wins there
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:55 PM
Jun 2015

should be well positioned for the G.E.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
4. Why does ANY state need (or deserve for that matter) to be "the first state" ?
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:06 PM
Jun 2015

or even the first group of states?

The primary process of having SOME "Special" states getting to go
first (or before other states) is patently discriminatory, creating
over-preening "special" states that get all the media attention,
while other states (and their citizens) can only watch from afar,
and feel relatively impotent politically, which accounts for a lot
of the apathy and non-participation of voters. It's just plain
wrong.

I don't give a rat's ass about "tradition" and "the way it's always
been" ... fuck that.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
8. I think the reason that they are not all on one day is because of candidate exposure. The primary
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:33 PM
Jun 2015

would take as long as the general and in all the states.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
9. Well that is a consideration
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:43 PM
Jun 2015

but still not a compelling reason to do it the way we do
it today, still.

Hell the primary system was designed to elect presidents
before we had jet transport, TV, computers, social media etc.
It MAY have made practical sense THEN, but not in today's
"everything's instant" socio-political milieu.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
10. You are correct about the changes in the system. Don't know how to get from then to a new
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:46 PM
Jun 2015

system though. Using media would certainly be easier for our candidates.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
6. So what happens when the sea level rises and your primary state is underwater?
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:26 PM
Jun 2015

On a slightly more serious note, I suspect Hodor and Voldemort will be in violent agreement with this.



jwirr

(39,215 posts)
7. Even though I am from a rural state I agree with this. Both Iowa and New Hampshire are
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:29 PM
Jun 2015

representative of rural America when most of the people live in cities.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
13. There are those who advocate having just one big primary
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:01 AM
Jun 2015

Phil Keisling was Sec. of State in Oregon when he wrote this in NYTimes in 2010. I think I agree
with this, in principle at least. Of course, the devil's in the details and all that too, but just sayin'

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/maybe-we-should-end-primary-elections/

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/opinion/22keisling.html?scp=1&sq=phil%20kiesling&st=cse

tritsofme

(17,380 posts)
12. I think Nevada or New Mexico would make for good earlier states.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:59 PM
Jun 2015

I like the idea of Colorado or maybe even Michigan.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
15. the problem with big cities is it would be mostly a Media Campaign and would not have the one on one
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:18 AM
Jun 2015

interaction and smaller town hall type things. it will be mostly tv ads with candidates needing to spend even more time and earlier raise money for it.

but maybe a more diverse smaller town might be a good idea.

but i don't see iowa or nh giving up being the first ones and because they are swing states(even though they lean more blue in recent years) it will probably hurt the party which takes it away.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
18. +1. I like the retail politics aspect of Iowa and New Hampshire.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:05 PM
Jun 2015

If we put a large state first, the primaries will be even more of a fund-raising name-recognition contest than the are now. I wouldn't mind moving a more diverse state closer to the start of primary season, though.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
16. I agree with your general premise.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:13 PM
Jun 2015

I'm a little bothered by one part, though: "The Democratic party is the party of urban and suburban voters."

I don't think the Democratic Party, or Democrats, should brush off rural voters. I'm a rural Democrat, and I'm not alone. There is not as much diversity in my little rural community than there is in the big city over the mountains, but it's still here, and our votes still count. One of the reasons that Republicans rule too much of rural America is that they DON'T discount rural voters.

That said in defense of rural voters, I fully support making sure that there are more diverse populations in the early primary voting.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
17. I didn't see your op when I posted this.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:28 PM
Jun 2015

We need to have the conversation. As you say, it is too late right now, but we should have a national discussion before the next national election. They current system is repressive.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251414717

K&R

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