2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI know it is too late for this time
but we really need to do something about the growing gulf between the first few states and what our party has become. The Democratic party is the party of urban and suburban voters. We are the party of LGBT, African Americans, Hispanics, Asians, Jews and other diversity. Our first four states are pretty much very little like that. Our first four states has one large city (Las Vegas). NH is 91.6 percent white. Iowa is 87.6 percent white. Neither of those states have a large city. Neither one of those states have any gay meccas. Neither state has significant Jewish population. In short, these voters are whiter, more rural, more Christian and less urban than our voters. In terms of race South Carolina is better (at least in terms of African Americans) but still no big cities. In 2004 and 2008 I suggested Maryland as either a replacement or a state to add. That wouldn't be very good this time since O'Malley is from there.
I admit to not completely knowing the solution (Maryland would have its own set of problems in that DC is an expensive market) but we do need to do something about this. The first four states have an immense amount of power in our primary system. By time they had weighed in in 2004 it was either Edwards or Kerry with Kerry in the drivers seat. In 2008 it was a two person race. This time it might be a one person race. That is an incredible amount of power. And for a party with voters as diverse as ours our, it is hard to see the legitimacy in giving such a non diverse electorate that kind of power. Barring a radical change in the demographic make up of those early states, this problem is only going to get worse going forward. By 2020 this problem needs to be solved. Some suggestions. Move North Carolina or Virginia up to 3rd primary. Or make Colorado or Washington State into primaries and move that state to 3rd. The states that winnow a field from several to one or two should be more reflective of the voters who support our candidates year in and year out. We could have Massachusetts as an early state. I am not particular as to which diverse state we use, just find a diverse state to put into the early rotation.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)we should be open to a ton of suggestions.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)should be well positioned for the G.E.
dsc
(52,164 posts)otherwise it would be a terrific choice.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)or even the first group of states?
The primary process of having SOME "Special" states getting to go
first (or before other states) is patently discriminatory, creating
over-preening "special" states that get all the media attention,
while other states (and their citizens) can only watch from afar,
and feel relatively impotent politically, which accounts for a lot
of the apathy and non-participation of voters. It's just plain
wrong.
I don't give a rat's ass about "tradition" and "the way it's always
been" ... fuck that.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)would take as long as the general and in all the states.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)but still not a compelling reason to do it the way we do
it today, still.
Hell the primary system was designed to elect presidents
before we had jet transport, TV, computers, social media etc.
It MAY have made practical sense THEN, but not in today's
"everything's instant" socio-political milieu.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)system though. Using media would certainly be easier for our candidates.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)On a slightly more serious note, I suspect Hodor and Voldemort will be in violent agreement with this.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)representative of rural America when most of the people live in cities.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Phil Keisling was Sec. of State in Oregon when he wrote this in NYTimes in 2010. I think I agree
with this, in principle at least. Of course, the devil's in the details and all that too, but just sayin'
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/maybe-we-should-end-primary-elections/
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/opinion/22keisling.html?scp=1&sq=phil%20kiesling&st=cse
jwirr
(39,215 posts)DVRacer
(707 posts)Minnesota or Ohio it would be more balanced as an indicator.
tritsofme
(17,380 posts)I like the idea of Colorado or maybe even Michigan.
JI7
(89,252 posts)interaction and smaller town hall type things. it will be mostly tv ads with candidates needing to spend even more time and earlier raise money for it.
but maybe a more diverse smaller town might be a good idea.
but i don't see iowa or nh giving up being the first ones and because they are swing states(even though they lean more blue in recent years) it will probably hurt the party which takes it away.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)If we put a large state first, the primaries will be even more of a fund-raising name-recognition contest than the are now. I wouldn't mind moving a more diverse state closer to the start of primary season, though.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I'm a little bothered by one part, though: "The Democratic party is the party of urban and suburban voters."
I don't think the Democratic Party, or Democrats, should brush off rural voters. I'm a rural Democrat, and I'm not alone. There is not as much diversity in my little rural community than there is in the big city over the mountains, but it's still here, and our votes still count. One of the reasons that Republicans rule too much of rural America is that they DON'T discount rural voters.
That said in defense of rural voters, I fully support making sure that there are more diverse populations in the early primary voting.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)We need to have the conversation. As you say, it is too late right now, but we should have a national discussion before the next national election. They current system is repressive.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251414717
K&R
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Right behind Vermont. Kinda hard to swallow that its "more Christian".
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/02/18/map-the-most-religious-states-in-america/