2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI noticed this OP in the Bernie Group ...
I wanted to give my thoughts on it; but, believe they would be seen as hostile to Bernie, and/or his supporters, so I am reposting it here.
Bernie2016 TV - Bernie All Day
Grassroots Bernie Supporters are planning to cover his campaign and apparently can do it professionally. They are asking for help from people with journalistic experience. Social Media is the New Media, I think this is a great idea, sort of like OWS which had their own media also, anticipating the reaction of the Corporate Media.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128016621
While this idea is certainly innovative, and brilliantly forward thinking way of dealing with the money problem ... however, I can think of how this can go horribly, horribly wrong.
Just look at DU ... supporters and advocates can get really, really obnoxious in they advocacy, even when they see themselves as "relaying just the facts."
The problem is (would be) who, and how, will the reporting be vetted ... advocates/supporters tend to have blind-spots when it comes to their message (again, see DU) ... and, the Bernie can't, that would be "outside coordination."
One over-zealous communication could turn off many would be supporters.
{Okay ... cue the "thanks for your concern" snark.}
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Except Super-PACs are technically not allowed to "coordinate" with the candidate, thus they can put out material that the candidate themselves wouldn't approve of.
Here's hoping those involved understand the spirit of his campaign!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But the cynic in me thinks the offensive stuff put out by the PACS is welcomed by most candidates ... but the PACS give them plausible deniability.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)But we can't control anyone else. We can, however, try to keep truth out there.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Seriously, this could become a problem. I hope they maintain a sense of integrity in reporting and clearly label opinion pieces as such.
Although the truth of the matter is that the campaign cannot control the actions of outsiders.
marym625
(17,997 posts)You got it.
Thanks for your concern but I am not worried.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)The only problem I see is air time is still required and that will still cost money. An event covered by volunteers may get a 30 second spot on the Ed Show but that is about it.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I think that's true for some supporters and advocates from any campaign. I'd like to give innovative, brilliantly forward thinking ways of dealing with the money problem in campaigns a chance, and work to smooth out the bumps along the way.
Even more "official" spokespeople can end up with their feet in their mouths, as evidenced by Claire McCaskill's recent efforts.
Autumn
(45,111 posts)It went horribly, horribly wrong and she came off looking like an obnoxious fool. And she's a 'professional' If only Claire had been vetted ...
These OPs are so revealing.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Must everything be a conspiracy?
Autumn
(45,111 posts)shit load of viewers on TV is not a conspiracy. She failed on a massive scale and she got owned. The look on her face was priceless. Just in case you might have missed this in the Bernie Sanders group
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128016397
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)of what could go wrong, and why I dId not respond in the Bernie Group.
Well done!
Autumn
(45,111 posts)Did you not want people from that group to respond to you? If not why on earth would you post about that OP?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)These offshoots also give candidates the ability to get things out there they don't want to be directly associated with. They will be associated anyway, but when directly asked they can act like their hands are clean. It is a time honored tradition. While this looks to be a new format, the concept itself isn't new.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)volunteering for a candidate they feel passionate about.
People are so cynical, it's sad. Eg, I am not involved but will volunteer to help. But I guess people who can't believe that voters when they find a candidate they are enthusiastic about, are willing to go out on a limb to help their candidate.
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to think, or suggest that the campaign is involved. Why would you think that? I do stuff for candidates and have often never even met them.
How sad, I'm really glad I never was involved on the inside of politics. It seems to make people doubtful of anything that isn't funded with huge amounts of money.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)forming in support of a campaign. It is a very good tool. It is neither inherently good or bad. It is what is made of it.
"This is not associated with the campaign."
That was the main point I made. It is why there is no control with these groups. That doesn't make them good or bad. In todays game, both can be seen.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)to the content.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I posted this to GD rimaries ... I respected the sanctity of the original group. But wished to address it.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)and it was excellent, accomplished all the goals they had and more.
So I can't see anything that people need to worry about!
I am far more worried about the Corporate Media going wrong, which they do all the time to be honest.
But I'd be interested in what you think could go wrong.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Just look at DU ... supporters and advocates can get really, really obnoxious in they advocacy, even when they see themselves as "relaying just the facts."
The problem is (would be) who, and how, will the reporting be vetted ... advocates/supporters tend to have blind-spots when it comes to their message (again, see DU) ... and, the Bernie can't, that would be "outside coordination."
One over-zealous communication could turn off many would be supporters.
{Okay ... cue the "thanks for your concern" snark.}
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)goals, media wouldn't cover them, so they would. Remember the anti-War demonstrations, I know people now who never heard of them, because the media deliberately didn't cover them.
OWS media had specific goals and since everyone had the same goal, there was no problem with anyone getting out of line. And it involved thousands of people.
So I am not worried at all. The people who are going to do this will know everyone who is using their equipment.
Anyhow, thanks but I think you are over thinking it. It is the new media, and it has a much further reach than the old media, it is different, but it's the way things are now. I love the idea having seen it work already.