2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI'm supporting Hillary for the nomination, but if Bernie is nominated I'd support him in the general
If you support Bernie, I'd hope for all our sakes, that you'd support her in the general if she gets the nomination.
Ultimately, I'd like them both to be successful, to make liberal ideas more popular.
delrem
(9,688 posts)It's time for DUers to put a stop to this foolishness, and start to discuss actual policy differences between candidates.
It would be about fucking time.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)attacking Hillary.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Someone who made a grandiose declaration a couple of months ago and it was ridiculous, as if they were declaring to be a candidate or something. Can't find that OP with Google because I don't remember the exact words but one thing is certain, that poster may be a bit extreme but is certainly not a RWNJ. Could be the exception that proves the rule though, can't say that I saw a ton of obvious right wingers doing that but it's certainly possible.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)R. P. McMurphy
(835 posts)coupled with one of party unity is described as a loyalty oath?
I'm supporting Bernie in the primary and will be glad to support Hillary in the general (Or anyone on the Democratic side. I'd even hold my nose and vote for Webb if I HAD to.).
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Please read post 23, when I posted I had someone else in mind about an odd loyalty oath and not your OP. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Sancho
(9,070 posts)If your mind is made up, and you are not going to change, then have the courtesy to post something useful.
There are certainly some strengths and weaknesses of all the candidates. Hillary has been a target of the GOP for so long that there are lots of RW memes (many baseless) that are repeated on DU.
Martin will be a good candidate. He certainly has some experience and a track record. He's pretty unknown nationally.
Bernie is actually the weakest candidate for a general election. Unfortunately, it's been hard on DU to find out more (good and bad) about Bernie because of the supporters who resort to attacks instead of information.
At any rate, I will vote for the Democrat.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)it's a statement of personal preference and support.
why are you opposed to those makeing a statement when they support Hillary, but thread after thread attempting to list all of Bernies wonderful goodness (in essence doing the same thing) is revered?
cstanleytech
(26,300 posts)rogerashton
(3,920 posts)I'm supporting Bernie, because his campaign in itself is making changes that we need. Opinions are shifting, and mostly in a progressive direction, and Bernie's campaign is both a cause and a result of the shift.
I don't see that with Hillary. Nevertheless, if she is nominated, which I believe is very probable, I'll support her in the general -- and continue to criticize her from the left, I expect. Likewise, O'Malley or Biden. Maybe even Chafee. Well, yes, even Chaffee.
I'm pretty confident that most other supporters of Bernie will do likewise. There are a few in each camp who are motivated more by opposition to Hillary, or to socialism and thus to Bernie, and who will walk if the candidate they oppose is nominated. Their voices are loud on DU.
Is there a chance of a third party candidacy? I'm afraid there is -- but not to support Bernie. Here is the thing. Bernie seems to have brought a section of the Occupy movement into his campaign. That's good -- their movement from rejection of leadership to a more effective kind of movement is a good thing in principle -- but some are probably angry enough to go third party if they feel they have been led down a garden path. But I don't think that is a threat in 2016. These folks wouldn't go with a Nader -- they don't like "leaders," remember -- but it would be regrettable for the longer term. We need their righteous anger. It should not trickle off into an anarchist or Trotskiist sect.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Criticizing the nominee on DU can result in a ban on DU. And if elected, criticizing a Democratic President can lead to the same result. It happened.
rogerashton
(3,920 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)That's what is in the TOS and all that crap. Please criticize away! I do too despite the "dangers" of doing so.
rogerashton
(3,920 posts)I assume critical support is admissible.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)and several dozen more that support and rec that kind of talk. your attempt to portray a "threat" is not very realistic.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Plenty? There was one OP over a year ago that was saying these exact words. And the poster have been reminded about it ad nauseam in many posts since then and apologized for it. Sounds like there's nothing else that can be thrown at this poster except for that instead of debating the issues with him which would be so much harder.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)and yes, I will take the opportunity to remind when the situation arises.
Thanks for the opportunity.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Prove it.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)My conscience doesn't vote for neoliberals.
R. P. McMurphy
(835 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)Hillary takes millions of dollars from the very people who are making our lives difficult. Who do you reckon I'm going to work my ass off to get elected. Yes Bernie Sanders because he is In My corner.
I"m a yellow dog down and dirty democratic party member and I only vote democratic so I will vote for our nominee but I'll be damned if I start off supporting the person who I see as the lesser of the nominees who will work on my behalf once elected.
R. P. McMurphy
(835 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Hillary folks voting for Bernie will be getting what they hoped they would get with Clinton; however, Bernie folks voting for Hillary would be getting what they already know full well they don't want any more of.
marble falls
(57,124 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,745 posts)To do otherwise would recreate the disastrous tight vote from 2000 that gave the conservatives the opportunity to steal the election. I don't intend to go crying in the darkness again because 600 people couldn't see the big picture.
Frances
(8,545 posts)I will vote for the Democrat because I do not want a Supreme Court Justice in the Republican mold of Scalia, Thomas, Alito, or Roberts.
I do not believe in cutting off my nose to spite my face.
Response to CreekDog (Original post)
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Bernie supporters really been focused, not on winning the primary, but their vote in the general? Admittedly, I don't spend all that much time on DU each day, but I make sure to check out GD: Primaries when I do, and I haven't seen this here, or in the Sanders group.
I have, though, seen plenty of HRC supporters talking up the possibility. That seems strange to me, like yelling fire when there's no smoke.
Why are you so concerned? The convention is more than a year off, and while I can only speak for myself, I won't be focused on the GE until then.