Americans find out about Bernie. I am amazed at how fast it is happening, in less than 2 months!

Just 1 week ago he was a virtual unknown among black voters, and now there's an EXPLOSION!

Feel the Bern!

needed to be led to his campaign, was pretty insulting imo.

It took a while to get the word out across the country that Bernie was even running in this campaign.

Whites knew nothing about about him other than in his own state, then we political junkies who are tuned in to these things, found out he might run and began to have hope that it might happen.

AAs are no more uninformed about his campaign than anyone else and now they are finding out, as you can see, like everyone else they are spreading the word.

here a few days ago http://www.democraticunderground.com/128016210

I think that kid has a future in politics.

Glad to see he is getting a lot of attention. I think he's probably too young to vote, but he sure is doing a great job educating people on the issues AND Bernie.

I posted a link to some of his other videos in that OP which was supplied by hedda_foil. Still in awe of how much knows about all the issues.

And Bernie is becoming well know with Native Americans!

But I am so impressed with those who are not waiting for him to get to every individual and group himself, because it would be virtually impossible and he doesn't have the money to make it happen.

They are helping him now by reaching out to their own communities on his behalf. It is a true grass roots effort.

I am glad to learn that he is becoming known to Native Americans also. I have a feeling once he is heard that his support will grow. How could it not? He has fought so hard for equality for all Americans when it wasn't 'cool' to do so.

Thank you for your comment, it is great to know he is reaching more people even without all that corporate money.

He may very well get there. But he ain't nowhere there yet.

2032.

ago, now they have over 4000. It's called 'campaigning which is what the AA groups are doing right now. The more successful they are the more followers they will get THAT IS THEIR PURPOSE in setting up their accounts.


You seem to want AAs to fail or am I misunderstanding your comment. There are more than those two groups, and check back in a month and see how this works. Or don't.

I hope they get what they want, they certainly are working hard to get their candidate who represents their interests, elected. They will get lots of help as they are supporting a candidate who has literally an army of supporters doing what they are doing, getting the word out. Not to mention all the FB pages I didn't bother to list.

Sorry to disappoint you, but they are going to grow and grow like all the other groups who started before them.

You seem so intensely 'concerned' about Bernie's supporters and almost angry at them for some reason. That's too bad really, I can't imagine being that invested in wanting other people to fail, why so focused on AAs? Seems very odd to me.

Number23. It is an explosion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

believe best represents them? Really? How sad. I wish them great success in their campaigning for Bernie.

Why so concerned about this one group of people? Many people have noticed the offensive suggestions that AAs out all the many groups of people you all seem to believe could not do what they obviously can do.

Any 'concerns' about Bernie 'not reaching out to Asian Americans'??? Or Chinese Americans? Why not? He isn't doing that, how about Jewish Americans? You would think he would be reaching out to all these groups, and that YOU would be as 'concerned' that he is not as you are about AAs.

Is it that you believe all those other groups don't need anyone to hold their hands? That is how it comes across just so you know, to many, many people and is extremely offensive to single out any group that way. Are you aware of the many AAs on this site who do not identify themselves as such? Think about that for a while.

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Quite an accusation. Especially considering one of the two that said they were leaving, or at least taking a break, is a Sanders supporter.

Thanks for the jury results. Very interesting. It seems that with some people, and I don't mean just here, that if you are a Sanders supporter you are not really a Democrat. Sad state of affairs when what we all claim to value most is the same as a candidate, that has fought for those same things, for longer than anyone currently sitting in the Senate, unwavering support for equality in action, votes, bills introduced and walking the walk, is so vilified. Just makes absolutely zero sense.

It's always so odd when people say they don't see attacks from HRC supporters in threads. Well, there is a fine example. I don't think it should have been hidden; the post should have been called out for being totally untrue and manipulative, which it is.

Atwater?

I don't see anyone calling her Atwater.

I guess we can't discuss this honestly, so I will respect the civility you show most people here and return it to you. I very much respect that.

So sorry.

and the hide was warranted on this nonsense comment: "think about the AA's you are running off this board"

a hard time. Several AA members have left due to the hatred towards Obama here and one is taking a break because he got two bogus hides for questioning Sanders.

good democrats who are accused 'hating Obama' simply for disagreeing on Policy, The internet is a lot bigger now than it used to be where people can disagree with a politician without being accused of hatred. So thankfully we can still communicate with the many many great DUers who don't have the time to bother with such personal attacks. And work for the candidate they support without being subjected to constant attacks.

Personally I don't much care about personal attacks, I am pretty immune so they are wasted on me, I prefer to use them when they occur to demonstrate all that is wrong with our political system. Not into alerting or hiding much, I prefer to talk about ISSUES but will NOT stand by and watch the attempts to smear a good candidate with false claims.

If that bothers anyone, so be it. Facts are facts and I will post them here, or anywhere else it is needed.

poster cannot respond.

but trying to make it better and NOT at the expense of anyone else.

That is who Bernie really is, which is why I support him.

Much work to be done on his team's part, of which I am part.

He knows he can't reach everyone, so he needs all those who have discovered him and who support and respect him, to do what these people are doing.

Over the past couple of weeks, there HAS been an EXPLOSION of people from across the political spectrum, who having heard Bernie realize he speaks for them, smart enough to get that he doesn't have the big Corporate dollars to hire people to get his message out there, and taking matters into their own hands and using the tools available to THEM to spread the word to their own communities.

To mock those efforts is very wrong. Eg, the links I provided are just a small sampling of the literal army of people who are starting accounts to promote the candidate they believe represents them.

I would have thought that at the very least there would be approval by those who claimed to be 'concerned' that Bernie wasn't reaching these communities to see that they are doing it themselves FOR HIM.

Instead it is sad to see quite the opposite reaction, leading me to the conclusion that there was no real concern, confirming what many have surmised.

hundred followers somehow implies that the work has "been done" is not something that I would expect that you, a Bernie supporter who really is interested and committed to minority issues and social justice, would have to resort to.

Much work to be done on his team's part, of which I am part.

And he is damn lucky to have you.

to address that otherwise he will struggle with Hillary.

I honest to god believe that Bernie is the best choice, that Hillary would be FAR better than the alternative, but that Bernie is the best choice.

HOWEVER, I say that being a WHITE privileged, middle class non Jewish male, i.e. the most privileged class on the planet.


So I worry that people in my category will forget how little they know about most everything else, myself included.

You see, for a white male in America to tell a Black anybody in America that their needs have been addressed, is absurd.

Same as if I told Women their needs are addressed.

I believe Bernie cares about minorities and Women, big time. But I can AFFORD to believe that without knowing it for sure.

thousands of volunteers with more joining every day who actually DO support him and are stepping in to bridge the MONEY gap working hard to make sure he gets the reach he needs to let as many people as possible know who he is.

I posted some samples to assure those expressing 'concern' about just one group, that that particular group is actively jumping into the campaign to respond to the call for help in getting his name out there.

They were MOCKED in this thread. That is too bad but it confirms what so many people had already surmised.

As for 'believing' that Bernie supports minorities and women, I don't 'believe' it, I never accept faith in a candidate without absolute proof, not since the last time I made that mistake. I don't have to 'believe' it in his case. He has one of the best records of anyone, in this race or not, on Civil Rights, and it is that fact that is attracting more and more people who themselves have been denied Civil Rights, to his campaign.

And each day there are more, proof that the army of volunteers he has attracted are doing a great job so far.

claiming they need their hands held is extremely offensive to that group. As many have and are saying. This tactic has already backfired so it would be best for Hillary if her supporters stopped insulting voters who she is likely to need herself.

She already has problems with the AA community. Many have expressed anger at her due to her lack of knowledge, evidenced by the remark she made in a Black Church, of the fact that there is now a strong movement, Black Lives Matter, formed due to the killing by cops of young African American men.

If I were a Hillary supporter I would not be spending my time being 'concerned' about a candidate I do not support, I would be trying to mend fences with voters she is likely to lose herself.

Which leads me to wonder, why are her supporters not helping her instead of attacking another candidate? That certainly won't help their candidate.

I think Hillary needs to reach out to the AA community and apologize for offending them. That would be my advice if I were to actually be 'concerned' about a candidate I am not supporting.

Instead I spend my time promoting my candidate which makes a lot more sense to me.

Bouncing for Bernie!

There are many PoC, women, LGBT, vets, and other posters on DU that keep trying to say over and over that those who claim to speak for them don't. And yet, they are used for "research" and as props to prove that neoliberalism is in fact the order of the day. It is downright Orwellian.

I will say it again that talking about economics in a speech does not in fact mean you do not care about social issues. Economic policy is the direct purview of the government and one of the most direct ways the executive branch can effect people's lives.

Jobs, healthcare & education--every person, regardless of income race, gender or sexual orientation deserves these things. How can we ignore that 37.9% of black children and 33.8% of Hispanic children are living in poverty?? Below a poverty line that we know is far too low. Who here thinks that is acceptable? Because they're not as poor as in Africa? How about the staggering black unemployment rate, especially the young people in depressed communities? Cursory support of the minimum wage when there are NO JOBS is just a smack in the face. People are struggling, tired and hungry. How come we can't fucking talk about it??

The executive does not have control over the Judicial Branch other than appointing justices. And how many times have we heard that the executive has no control over the Legislative Branch either? So what really is the point here? It remains to be seen whether the DoJ who does report to the president has any control over local police departments and state prosecutors. So far, the DoJ has mostly stayed on the sidelines of the murders.

The president of the united states has no more power over people to stop thinking racist thoughts or doing racist things or a woman clutching her purse when a I walk by at night. That is cultural racism and has to be attacked from a different angle such as education and social programs. What is illegal and can be more strongly enforced is discrimination in housing and jobs and we now have a decision of the Supreme Court to back that up. Voting rights, let's work on those. Let's work on restricting funding for states and police departments that hire racist cops. Let's figure out all the ways that are possible to change things and then let's go demand that our local, state, and federal politicians do something about it. But that's not the point of this exercise, is it?

I have no idea why one candidate has been singled out for this ire when the other two main Democratic candidates have abysmal records on some of these issues. Well, yes, I do.

without the power needed to stand up and be counted. Bernie KNOWS this, so do Black Leaders, see MLK, Jesse Jackson especially in his second campaign where he made it an issue.

And btw, Bernie and Hightower as Jackson stated 'were the only two White Legislators who stood up for me when it was needed'.

The attempts by a few here to discredit Bernie's beyond par record on Civil Rights is a ROVIAN tactic. 'Attack the STRENGTHS of your opponent, not their weaknesses' and whether they realize or not, this IS a tactic and it is about to FAIL SPECTACULARLY as AAS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

The minorities who are now organizing FOR Bernie, are excited about him FOR has focus on Economic Justice. THIS is what most are saying appeals to them.

I have seen comments THANKING HIM for this.

So ignore those who are using a very nasty and FAILED tactic to try to prevent people from supporting him. It isn't going to work as Minorities KNOW what is wrong and KNOW who is speaking for them. Not some anonymous posters on the internet with nothing to offer other than try to silence the one person who has fought for decades for Civil Rights.

They will be met with an army of supporters telling the TRUTH and will find themselves overwhelmed and discredited themselves for their what appears to most people now, as feigned 'concern' where it is not needed at all.

Progress in social issues is great, but as the Reverend Al Sharpton said in his Presidential race of 2004:

"It's not who you go to bed with at night, but whether you have a job to go to in the morning".

He is totally correct!

people seem to want to DEPRIVE the AA community of accessing the same Economic Opportunities everyone else wants to have.

The cop killers are not murdering WEALTHY AAs, they are killing the poor, the disenfranchized and have been getting away with it for so long because they could.

Bernie is absolutely correct and I know that most thinking people are with him on this.

They don't cost them anything. .

They love it even more when neoliberals fight the progressive wing. It means they don't have to lift a finger.

People really need to wise up.

The Bernie surge suggests to me they may finally

be doing so...Let's hope.

standing up for the candidate THEY choose, not the ones chosen for them.

THAT is why we are seeing so much effort to try to undermine Bernie. But look what happens, the more they attempt to smear him, the more people roll their eyes and think, 'not THIS again'.

And the more popular he becomes.

I am making a list of the attempted and now failed smears because as each one fails, we know there are think tanks busy working on another and we will be prepared to turn them back on those who attempt to do what they have in the past done to prevent the people from getting what they deserve and what Bernie is giving them, a campaign BASED ON THE ISSUES.

He has an literal army of volunteers now, growing every day, ready to take on the smear merchants and doing so very effectively.

As Bernie says 'enough is enough' and the people ARE ANGRY something the out of touch 'experts' have not yet understood. Their attempted smears only make people MORE angry because we deserve better, much better and we are sick to death of dirty politics, especially of the money that pays for it.

I think everyone has a right to speak their personal truth. I will listen to those who have standing to make these arguments, but I will not listen to their "allies" who are using it for their own ends. But perhaps some people do not quite encounter the reality every day because of their economic status.

I was the same a little bit. I grew up middle class in a family that prized education above all else. And I was lucky enough to receive a top grade education. So even though my industry was decimated and I have had to find another career, I know I will always be ok.

It wasn't until I taught in the next town over that I saw the reality of the poor and working classes. I taught in a high school where kids had no hope and no future. There were no jobs and they couldn't afford college. They were living in one bedroom apartments with 12 people. Their parents were gone all day long at work if they had jobs. They were being robbed and abused by their employers. The only meal some of them ate was free lunch and chips from the vending machine and whatever some of the teachers brought from school. I have talked at length about this experience on DU, but I have to say it profoundly changed my outlook. I wish everyone could have the same experience so then maybe we could come together and change this awful reality. This isn't an outlier, this is a huge chunk of the community.

This is happening all over our country, the richest country on earth. It is happening in Ferguson, Baltimore, the South Side, from coast to coast. If "Democrats" feel that these issues are unimportant and that Oprah being followed in a boutique in Switzerland is the most pressing issue, then neoliberalism will continue its destruction and we all have no one to blame but ourselves.

told incredibly 'that won't cure racism'. Well really? Who knew? Money doesn't cure many things, but it sure would help those families you have talked about to be safer, to have some hope of a chance in life, to have some POWER, just like everyone else.

The USING of AAs in this election as a mere tool for political purposes is sickening frankly.

I know they will speak for themselves in this campaign, and as I demonstrated in this OP, already are.

But it is a shame that the ONLY interest some people have in minorities AND women (they usual groups used for political purposes) is to try to score points for their candidate. And that is shameful.

I know many families, Black and White who can't tell where their next meal is coming from because they have no access to a decent living. What that does to a person is so debilitating that it's hard to explain to those whose lives have always been comfortable.

I'm with Bernie on this, let's get ECONOMIC JUSTICE for ALL Americans. Enough is enough. No one should be living in the substandard conditions you are talking about in a country as wealthy as this.

But they are. And they are being kept from accessing what is their right by those who have no interest in seeing it happen for whatever reason.

African-Americans and people of color are followed in stores because of their race. But their race gets them followed because they are viewed as likely to be poor and desperate because of their race.

There is a very definite perception of poverty associated with the appearance of a person of color whether black or Hispanic or Asian.

I'm assuming the south side is Chicago? I just wanted to make sure no one else has our south side. It is ours, dsmn it!

I haven't been there but I have seen how economically depressed it is. Interestingly enough, the city where I taught, which was once higher than Chicago for murders, has improved and is having a rebirth which is great to watch. I also just watched a documentary about backyard fighting in Florida called Dawg Fight. This is another community with over a third unemployment and it looked very run down and depressing. I'm very shocked by the Marie Antoinette attitude on DU, but there it is.

My mom taught on the south side. A 5'2" white woman. All the students just loved her. When they were on strike one year back in the 70s my mom said to a reporter that there should be a moratorium on the current educational system that is passing kids that haven't earned it. That the ptb were forcing teachers not to teach, that lower grade classrooms were so full that those teachers had no time to do anything but babysit. So by the time they got to high school, the kids hadn't learned what they needed to know and then the administration forced the teachers to pass kids that didn't know 6th grade English. (She said it much better and much shorter though )

The Chicago Tribune ran the headline "Teacher says there should be a moratorium on education. "

Oy vey!

She taught primary school in this same town for forty years. The neighborhood peaked violence in the 90s during the gang wars. She was tough as hell but the kids ended up liking her because she also cared about them and wanted them to have a good education. She was always doing extra curricular stuff with them like science fair and plays and sports leagues because the school couldn't afford any of that. It was the era before testing, before teachers were beat to shit. My mom, who was also a white lady, was infamous for walking up to the front door of the biggest gang leader in town and telling him his son needed to stop skipping school. The guy looked like he was gonna punch her, then he said, "Ok, Teacher, he'll be there every day." And he was. And the boy grew up and came back to show off his young family and said he was working his way up to managing a company. My mom had a lot of students who came back to thank her. Every time I visited her in her classroom, there was a line of kids coming to visit. No lie.

I could tell a million stories of her students and my students, some good, some very sad. But I do know that people in these neighborhoods are being oppressed, not in an abstract way. It is systematic and self-fulfilling.

So do I think that having good jobs and access to education will help to change things at their very core? Yes, yes I do.

My brother from the same mother She did exactly the same thing. Gang members, in high school, in Chicago and they respected her, even when she was in their faces.

Damn straight it will change everything. But as long as there's money in elections, there will be no change.

No child left behind, which Clinton supported, has actually left almost every child in the dust

themselves as such who I know are extremely offended by the singling out of and USE of AAs here for political purposes. I'm sure that would come as a surprise to those who claim to speak for ALL POC here. Same thing happens with women, a small group here claimed to speak for ALL women when in reality they speak only for a very few.

Paternalism IS a good for what they do.

I wonder too why this candidate who has done more for Civil Rights than all of the others put together. Which is why it is such a failed tactic so you wonder, 'what is behind it'?

You are correct, the point is not real 'concern' for women or minorities, so what is it? I know women and minorities have been political tools for a long time, but those days are over we women are NOT fooled by the pretend 'caring' that seems to occur ONLY during elections.

AAs I know are not fooled either. I could post some comments from AAs that would shock those here who claim to speak for them. They are WELL aware of being used this way and deeply resent it.

Interesting!

thread for your answer. Try to acknowledge those who are here speaking for themselves.

I speak for me only and resent the use of women for political purposes. That got old long ago so I understand those who feel the same way and are making it clear they need no hand holding by anyone.

Btw, on which ISSUES do you disagree with Bernie Sanders? His support for Civil Rights? Unions? Veterans? His opposition to job killilng TPP? What is it that you disagree with?

I just thought it was an.... interesting way to phrase it.
Kinda patronizing.

guidance.

I don't go to a voting booth without being convinced as to why I should vote for one person vs. another, so yeah, that's called politics.

Do you run to a voting booth and randomly pull the lever for who knows what?

You are a smart individual based upon your posts here, so I'm going to go with "No, I don't just pull the lever randomly and without consideration."

The usual suspects just can't help themselves. I see the LGBT community speaking up and hitting back because all these SAME people who used to accuse people fighting for their rights as wanting a pink pony are now the first to draw the "AA forum" card.

THE SAME PEOPLE. The funny thing is, I'm pretty sure everyone knows who the biggest manipulators are. And their shit is wearing very thin. They always have some kind of giant, revealing, left-hating post and then the game is up. Most of the "stealth" Bernie supporters have also revealed themselves (but won't admit it) which makes me wonder just who would actually fein supporting a candidate and why? SMH. And apparently, it's been going on on other boards like kos as well which makes me wonder if this was driven by the campaign. I see people mention it just like DU.

Whatever, they are fooling nobody except those who share their own confimation bias.

"You dumb childish people don't realize that Bernie Sanders can't win and you are inhibiting our inevitable President Clinton from taking the oath of office, you worthless heathens."

That isn't paternal, is it?

something one of those expensive think tanks came up with. And yes, they have revealed themselves as it's pretty obvious. Real honesty and sincerity are qualities that cannot be feigned. It's just impossible to feign those qualities. It's a bad tactic because you have no choice but to reveal yourself since the whole purpose is to 'attack, subtly and with 'concern' they think, from the 'inside'. Lol, and when they join in the spreading of the latest 'concern' it leaves no doubt.

Who would do that? Good question, but I have a few theories. It's not succeeding on forums either. I wonder why they don't just promote their own candidate, talk about the issues, try to get people on board. What I don't understand is what exactly all these 'tactics' are supposed to for THEIR candidate?

Your first two paragraphs are spot on. Most DUers are on to them.

I guess all these people just spontaneously decided to pretend to support Sanders so they can become hosts of groups or part of protected groups and then spread concern trolling. There are a few left who were craftier than the others who flamed out. The whole thing is the stupidest thing I've ever seen on the internet I think. Some people have way too much time.

I've been saying repeatedly that the economics that are intrinsically woven into the fabric of social justice is the money in politics.

As you so eloquently stated, we cannot change the thoughts of anyone. We can try but it doesn't always succeed and it usually takes a great deal of time.

However, laws can be changed. Laws can be enacted. Laws can be enforced. And laws can be shut down completely. None of those things will happen with politicians in the pockets of the corporations that gain so much from people being oppressed. To not see the connection between privatized prisons and other things that should be government run and never done for profit, and laws that allow for such blatant racism, or that are never enforced, you have to be blind, deaf and dumb and stupid.

Obviously, the social programs need politicians that care more about people than money. Women need politicians that will stop screwing with Roe v Wade and so many other things. As long as there is anything other than public funding of elections, it will never happen.

A free college education and a much higher minimum wage are important things to bring people out of poverty. But without laws, programs etc to bring social justice and equality, nothing will change

Why can't we talk about that? Instead we just have infighting and "allies" on this very thread trying to stir the shit. Or scream who is more racist. It's crazy and it does nobody any good.

How come we can't talk about the fact that the entire police and justice system funds itself on the backs of black and brown people. Remember when NYC cops decided to stop arresting people and crime didn't explode? Why didn't we take that bull by the horns and start something? Why can't we talk about that?

Or another DU poster and I were talking about education about slavery and programs to stop generational racism and she said brilliantly, "They should teach slavery like the Holocaust." Because people are being educated that slavery was all Gone with the Wind and that black people are making a big deal out of nothing. We should be teaching slavery as its own course, as part of our history and as a way to end racism in this country. How come we can't talk about that?

Like I said, I know why we can't talk about it. It's because we are flooded with memes and snipes and false divisions of social vs economic justice fueled by our wealthy posters. Now, even though there are African Americans who support Bernie on this board, we are treated to the new meme that Bernie supporters are "driving off AAs." Dear Lord, make it stop.

I find it really weird that the black people here on DU that support Sanders are being called out as if they're traitors. That one of the people who stated he needs a break is being used as an example of how Sanders supporters drove him away, when he himself supports Sanders. It's baffling to me.

I would love to talk about everything you said. I would especially love to talk about it with you. I know we'll agree so that will make it an easy conversation I would gladly talk to others that wouldn't agree, as long as it's people that can discuss and not threaten or make false accusations.

I would like that group. I don't expect people to agree, but the snipers are detrimental to any and all discussion and make a JOKE of DU. This social vs economic justice division is happening NOWHERE else on the web. It's funny, I see people trying to mimic the same talking points on articles at places like Huffpo: gun nut, doesn't care about AAs. I mean, so identical in use of words and phrases, I think they must be DU people. But the funny thing is, they make you post by your facebook profile and so you see who the people are and they always fit the same age, race, and gender. Check it out, it's very revealing. The Berniemania story last night has exactly what I'm talking about. Didn't work there either. I wonder when people will figure it out.

I seldom pay attention to comments on posts like that.

Maybe we should ask for a safe haven group here to discuss race? Put together a different SoP and ToS. Absolutely zero snark allowed. Not to censor but to immediately shut down anything that isn't causing good discussion.

What do you think?

You laid it on the line. Anybody that doesn't get what you are saying benefits from NOT WANTING to get what you said.

You explained how the cow ate the cabbage with that post.

(I'm a Southerner - that means explained it so that a kindergartner could understand)

Thank you, but I'm sure it will be taken the wrong way by those that want to. And boy oh boy, do they want to.

including all Americans, there is no stopping him

No one event is a measure. I'm amazed that Bernie has lit up the nation as quickly as he has. People compare Bernie to Howard Dean, but Bernie is a far more seasoned politician with a much more realistic view of the world and on his campaign than even Howard Dean.

I think Bernie is pleasantly surprised by the reception thus far, the enthusiasm, the crowds, but I don't think he is overly optimistic. I think he realizes that he is speaking for millions and millions of Americans even though many of them don't know it yet.

That makes me very happy.

and are being dismissed and told 'everything is getting better' when we KNOW that is not the case.

And with the entire political system which people are sick to death of. It is not about THEM, it's about entertainment and money.

And it's old and jaded and more like an old vaudeville act at this point to the point where so many no longer even participate.

outside who did not get in but were able to hear him.

The goal posts have been moved however and now the naysayers think that 'crowds don't matter'! Lol Imagine if he had not filled that hall, how much they would have mattered then. All you can do is laugh.

that if they really believe what they post, they have no CLUE what has been going on and are deeply insulting minorities which can only hurt their own candidate.

Yes, I did see that video and posted it in the Bernie Forum last week. Amazing young man and I hope more people get to see what he is doing for Bernie. Which is why I posted the link to the video and the link to his Utube account was provided in the thread.

by not taking any corporate money. I also wrote an OP in Bernie's forum about her run for office, she's in Washington State and since Bernie will need a large, Progressive Congress to help him when he is President, I think we should support people like Angie Marx also.

Just wanted to mention her as she is very brave to take that step imo.

So 'Angie For Congress' and 'Bernie for the WH'!

Awesome post.

out to such a large country, when he first announced and wondered how it would happen.

Now I see how starved people are for a real leader who is focused on what concerns them and THEY are doing the work for him.

It's amazing really!

is just icing on the cake. People are connected. People can be heard. And no one has to choke down what pundits are trying to feed them. Supporters of the status-quo seem to be having a hard time accepting that their ways of thinking are (seemingly) on the way out.

The lying, the waffling and the flip-flopping is what turns people of to politics. Its what leads them to feel as though both parties are the same because in that respect, they are.

Bernie offers an honest, authentic alternative. Amazing indeed!!

are going to be informed. Especially the younger generation who do not watch the Corporate media at all. Which explains WHY they are so much more informed that the talking heads on Corporate Controlled Media.

Btw, in case you hadn't heard yet, but Bernie supporters have created Bernie TV where it will follow his campaign with volunteers make sure to get his campaign news out to the people.

They just started so we need to promote them wherever we can.

They are launching their project today by covering his Madison Event.

I posted the info in the Bernie Forum. They will be livestreaming the event and have people on the ground to talk to attendees and get their views on Bernie's 'revolution'.

It will start around 6.30 and I am going to watch it on their Utube channel!

and Im waiting to hear from them about being involved. I live in NH so I should have plenty of opportunities.

I didnt realize they were starting tonight though. Guess I know what Ill do with my evening. I cant wait to see the crowd!

the Madison Event. They will start broadcasting at 6.30 PM. I posted the link to their Utube channel where we can follow Bernie's campaign from the ground throughout this campaign.

See here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/128018754

Right now they have a countdown to the event on the screen. Approx 3 hrs to go last time I checked!

Jwirr suggested it and we agreed. So it's right there with the pinned posts

I just agreed

You're welcome.

If his candidacy and ideas get traction, who knows what those peasants will be demanding next?

TRUTH. It's like finding gold in the political arena. Nothing they can do to stop the PEOPLE from supporting him. His record speaks for itself and all the angry, negative attempts to minimize the importance of having such a candidate step forward, only backfires on them.

Great post Sabrina 1!

you should be ashamed of yourself.

So she couldn't have blocked you

Shame on you for accusing someone of doing something they couldn't have done and for doing it publicly. Shame on you for saying it here at all.

You have a problem with the Sanders group I suggest you take it up with a host, privately

Have a nice day

I didn't ban you.

I don't like all this "banning" stuff of good DUers. I am in the group that bans trolls from DU but I'm not very good at it because I never seem to spot objectionable posts. I don't know why. Maybe just my luck.

I'm interested in what people say and the various arguments. I rarely vote against posts when I am on a jury.

So, I did not ban you. If you know otherwise, please let me know the details.

I am sorry that you have been banned. Your avatar may have offended someone.

I have been banned from both the Obama and the Hillary groups. So I know how it feels. Some people are just peevish. Can't help themselves.

if you could help me say it in a more accurate way. 'Black, Latin, Asian and Muslim Americans? Does that sound better?

Also Jews for Bernie

WomenForBernie, there is even a 'DogsForBernie' group complete with merchanize for dogs.

There are so many groups it would have taken up the entire page to list them all. Therefore I used a small sample of the groups that have started up over the past few weeks to make a point.

And that point is, and it seems most people did get it, that it is reprehensible to single out ONE GROUP of so many and insinuate they are not capable of finding out about Bernie to the point that HE must go find them when in fact there is no such problem. He hasn't made any special attempt to reach individual groups, he has succeeded in sewing the necessary seeds and the rest is beiing done by the people themselves.

So it is downright insulting to make it appear that ONLY AAs need to be specially treated when nothing could be further from the facts. It is imo, despicable to make such a claim about one group of people.

I will make a list in the Bernie Forum of as many of these activist groups as I can. It will be a very, very long post, and will have to be updated by the week, maybe even by the day.