posts from the 2008 primary on Hillary.

I tell you what I said to them..

Yes I was pissed at her. I just think she's learned a lot since Mark Penn was running her campaign.. And, the IWR vote.. Things change.. people learn and grow or they're stagnant.

I have too.. wow, I was out of control!

I started liking her after she graciously conceded at the Dem Convention and then after President Obama appointed her as SOS.. she did a brilliant job. They put aside their differences and came together for the country and so did I. I can certainly change how I feel about people over the years. This isn't the first time.


Signing of the Lilly Ledbetter Act~ January 29, 2009~


The President and SOS Hillary when they realized the Supreme Court had upheld ACA for the first time~ June 28, 2012~

You won't see me posting it again.

...looking at the archives. It's pretty telling.

but this is a different election, a different time, with different candidates. We all move on.

It was vile.

It was an interesting and controversial OP, meant to stir up discussion, not shut it down.

That's how it starts.

Draw your own conclusions.

I think about three thread spun off of that one.

So cute!

K&R

Except no one did that.

AAs as a political football, IMHO.

that they need to follow your command and adopt your issues because nothing else could possibly matter. Better for someone else to insult members by claiming they are only "pretending to be black," that daring to speak about the concerns of their community is akin to "Atwater-like tactics" and the "Southern Strategy." That's not a political football. A "political football" is suggesting every citizen has a right to ask any and all questions of their elected officials. That is what you object to, not any of that other behavior. Standing up for universal equality and citizen engagement is using African Americans as a "political football," whereas telling them that politicians don't need to address their concerns, that's not a political football. Equating them with notorious racists, that's not a political football.

You can make any excuse you want. None of it changes the political reality that many refuse to accept: the political world doesn't revolve around you. You are not more important than other voters. Democratic constituencies matter, no matter how much you want to deny their relevance.

So do me a favor. Save your HO for someone more gullible. Don't think for a second I buy any of this ruse. Now, my patience with disingenuous bullshit has worn thin. You are permanently on ignore, and I invite you to do the same. You don't have to worry about reading my heretical posts anymore, and the fact is not being subject to them changes exactly nothing. People will still vote how THEY choose because that is THEIR right. Deal with it, or not. I really don't care.

No "them", no "they", no "but"...

No "telling people how to vote"...


No one here saying anything about Atwater...

Just us, right here, right now, dealing with the fact that some people who really, really want Hillary to be POTUS will do whatever, use whatever, against whoever to get what they think will score points.

It ain't rocket science and long screeds change nothing about the actual dynamic at work.

...them to score cheap political points, IMHO.

Progress of a sort.

Took quite a bit of smacking down before the "I, glorious ally, will start flamebait threads in your righteous name!" shit stopped.

Atrocious.

Several good DUers are on bogus 5 hide vacations because they dare to support Hillary.

I'm just curious whether you condone that type of behavior or not? You have stated the same thing in multiple posts claiming all 5 are on vacation for bogus reasons (which means 20 bogus hides).

respond.

People can ask questions all they want and people can vote for whoever they want and there are more than 5 on a 5 hide vacation.


I don't know who you are referring to.

These were the people going around demanding loyalty oaths for Hillary Clinton. It wasn't ASKING questions, it was downright FUCKING bullying. They (the two that I have referring to) were unhinged and deserved what they got. I'm sure you guys know the ones that are missing (I thought I'd saw you said there were 5 people who are on vacation in a post and that's where I got that number from). I certainly am not going to name names for the obvious reasons.

Not having these hides in front of me I will say that sime of the hides may very well have been earned.

There are so few of us here that when several are not ablebto post we feel it.

Several people have posted whines -- there's no better for it -- complaining that Sanders supporters (less so O'Malley supporters) have been saying negative things about Clinton, and they should stick to saying positive things about their own candidates.

Several people have posted denunciations of Clinton criticisms as being, allegedly, right-wing trolling or Repuke talking points or the like.

That kind of post is silly for the reasons explained in the OP. (Disclaimer: This is my personal take on the matter. I do not know whether the author of the OP would agree with applying that analysis to criticisms of Clinton.)

That seems to be "most" peoples feelings about their candidate. Here on DU included.

and speaks to the kind of characteristics I noted above.

I can tell you now THAT is not a winning ticket.

I heard it's a huge money making opportunity.

And what do you suggest I do when the "Democratic front runner" never addresses or even tries to address issues important me and mine? Or even pretends to think my voice or millions of others saying the same things I am, matters in the slightest? Should we just STFU?

Please feel free to hold your breath waiting for that to happen.