2016 Postmortem
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cantbeserious
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brooklynite
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frylock
(34,825 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:11 AM - Edit history (1)
I'll also remind you she supported those policies. But it's all cools, because Bill apologized.
brooklynite
(94,571 posts)For example: Elizabeth Warren.
frylock
(34,825 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)of untold numbers of human beings. Eg, Marriage Equality, how long should it have taken a Liberal Democrat to finally recognize that the Civil Rights of American Citizens were being denied, while they waited for elected officials to change?
I'm sure, in fact I know that Hillary is a nice person, but leaders need to be able to make important decisions, NOT based on their own personal beliefs but on what is the right thing to do.
Among the most important issues that a leader will have to make is when to send Americans troops to war.
And when so many ordinary people knew they were being lied to, it was devastating to watch some Dems hand over the awesome power to go to war to one of the most obvious lying and criminal administrations in living memory. Hundreds of thousands of human beings died because not enough of those who had the power to stop it, used that power to do.
'Changing' on an issue like that, is of no consequence to the dead and the maimed and tortured and the displaced.
Bernie Sanders had the good judgement and the foresight to his limited power to try to stop it. I so wish he had been president at the time.
This country needs a leader who will never make such tragic decisions.
I remember the night of that vote and literally cried when I saw the first Democrat vote to put that power in the hands a criminal administration and then watched as more of them did so.
I wonder how ANYONE can expect people to just brush that aside with the consequences of those votes still ongoing with no end in sight. I know I cannot. People don't get promoted when they make such awful decisions that cost lives, and trillions of dollars.
And there has still been no consequences for the criminals who lied
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)in the last 20 years is due to the mandatory sentencing and three strikes policies pushed by the Clinton Administration.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)appalachiablue
(41,132 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)I was the same person in 94 basically. I guess she was too.
All that "evolving" is questionable at best. She was either full of shit then or she is full of it now.
madokie
(51,076 posts)Todays paper there's are article and the Clinton camp are besides themselves bragging about how much money she's able to raise. Not one mention, that I seen that is, how many voters she's reaching. Its all about the money to her. The last thing I want in a leader to be honest.
frylock
(34,825 posts)what more do you want?
azmom
(5,208 posts)That was also disastrous to the minority communities?
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)The law, but wasn't sure who initiated.
WASHINGTON One week after President Clinton decried the "disproportionate percentage" of young black men going to prison, he has decided to sign into law a bill that would maintain stiff prison sentences for those caught with small amounts of crack cocaine.
The legislation would block a move by the U.S. Sentencing Commission to make prison terms the same for violations involving crack and powdered cocaine. While virtually all of those prosecuted for crack are black, powdered cocaine is used more by whites.
Speakers at last week's "Million Man March" blamed racially biased federal drug laws for the fact that the nation's prisons are so full. The Congressional Black Caucus told Clinton this week that the drug-law issue marks the "first test" of whether the Administration wants to end racism in the criminal justice system.
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-10-27/news/mn-61778_1_crack-cocaine
democrank
(11,094 posts)His speech last night was one of the best nuts and bolts political speeches I`ve heard in a long, long time. The crowd seemed very receptive.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)I know it's anecdotal, but it was pretty apparent that message appealed enormously to everyone. People were on their feet giving one of the greatest ovations of the evening. Bernie Sanders, and his supporters as evidenced by that crowd, are -all in- on social justice.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)The word needs to get out because he doesn't have the money to compete with the machine. It looks like there were a lot of standing ovations and a very lively crowd.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)but I think there may have been double that.
The crowd was also very into 'booing' republican positions as characterized by Bernie, there may have been more than a dozen of those as well.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)The immigration issues. (Sarcasm)
Latinos for Bernie!!!
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)My iPad keeps freezing after the first few minutes. I have mentioned that in the past Bernie has been excellent at verbalizing these frustrations. I was wondering what he thinks is the 'fix'. I am genuinely interested in knowing.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Just wondering where he stands on actual fixes.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)This is not a comprehensive list as I have seen elsewhere his bills for medical marijuana and trying to get lower sentences for non-violent drug offenders.
Here is just a sample, since many here claim his bills never pass
Recidivism Reduction and Second Chance Act of 2007
Amends the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 to expand provisions for adult and juvenile offender state and local reentry demonstration projects to provide expanded services to offenders and their families for reentry into society.
Directs the Attorney General to award grants for:
state and local reentry courts;
Comprehensive and Continuous Offender Reentry Task Forces;
pharmacological drug treatment services to incarcerated offenders;
technology career training for offenders;
mentoring services for reintegrating offenders into the community;
pharmacological drug treatment services to incarcerated offenders;
prison-based family treatment programs for incarcerated parents of minor children; and
a study of parole or post-incarceration supervision violations and revocations.
Legislative Outcome: Became Public Law No: 110-199.
So, when you checked out the information, what do you think?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)But I was wondering what he had suggested as fixes as part of this speech for the societal problems of today. I can only assume he didn't reference his 2007 co sponsored bill perhaps because the problems are ongoing
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)express your "concern".
As has explained to HRC supporters many times for this tired meme:
A) Bernie discusses many issues and tries to discuss them at depth. The fact that you demand that he go into depth for *every* issue in *every* speech means his speeches would be 10 hours long.
B) A candidate has a record. Bernie Sanders has a record of actually working on the issues he is discussing. Anyone can look at that record and see his work and see that he speaks with authority and truthfulness on that issue.
C) A candidate running on his record has always been the way politicians campaign. It is only in THIS campaign, where the candidate wishes to RUN from her record, that we have this meme that it only matters what a politician has SAID, not DONE, in the last five minutes.
D) You are supporting a candidate who has not seen fit to discuss ANY proposals or details of her policy thus far in her campaign. Why don't you demand the same from her?
I answered your demands, even though I am working and don't have time for these games. I will not waste my time on dishonest discussion in the future.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)But I was looking for content of his speech. I though I had made that clear in my first post on the matter.
Fwiw, you bring up and interesting dilemma, Bernie supporters are very vocal about the lack of policy content on both Obama and Clinton speeches. I assumed this was because Bernie was different in that matter. I was merely trying to determine this one difference, and get slammed for it?