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Bernie in Madison: Reform Justice System & Police (Original Post) BrotherIvan Jul 2015 OP
I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Jul 2015 #1
I note that the "lesser of two corporate evils" brought up this issue two months ago... brooklynite Jul 2015 #8
For Some HRC Is One Of The Corporate Defenders Despite The Populist Rhetoric cantbeserious Jul 2015 #10
20 some years ago, her husband's policies helped to set this in motion.. frylock Jul 2015 #14
Politicians change over time...like people do brooklynite Jul 2015 #20
seeeeen it. frylock Jul 2015 #21
Leaders don't have the luxury of being so wrong on issues that involve the lives and deaths sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #27
He was kind not to point out that the reason so many (mostly black) people have been incarcerated Bonobo Jul 2015 #2
Hillary Clinton, 1994 BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #3
Memorable, HC on prisons 1994. appalachiablue Jul 2015 #6
People will say that is so long ago, but she is 20 years or so older than me and Bonobo Jul 2015 #7
Either way it still stinks madokie Jul 2015 #9
c'mon man! he's apologized.. frylock Jul 2015 #15
Didn't Bill also pass that crack vs. cocaine. azmom Jul 2015 #17
That was during Reagan. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #19
Thanks. I only read articles about Clinton preserving azmom Jul 2015 #22
Go Bernie! democrank Jul 2015 #4
Tell it like it is, Your the only One !!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #5
Those comments had a young black woman in front of me literally jumping up and down HereSince1628 Jul 2015 #11
Nice BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #12
I lost count of standing ovations... I remember at least 6 HereSince1628 Jul 2015 #13
Highly recommend..thank you. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2015 #16
... BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #18
But, he didn't say anything about azmom Jul 2015 #23
Uh oh, you know what that means!!!! BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #24
So what did Bernie suggest as policy fixes? Sheepshank Jul 2015 #25
Did he not have any actual policy suggestions? Sheepshank Jul 2015 #28
Here are his just some of his work on the issue BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #29
Good co sponsor...thanks for responding. Sheepshank Jul 2015 #30
So you were not looking for an honest answer, just another way to BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #31
No...I did appreciate your link. I hadn't read that before Sheepshank Jul 2015 #32
The professor is touching all the main bases. nt ladjf Jul 2015 #26

frylock

(34,825 posts)
14. 20 some years ago, her husband's policies helped to set this in motion..
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:48 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:11 AM - Edit history (1)

I'll also remind you she supported those policies. But it's all cools, because Bill apologized.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
27. Leaders don't have the luxury of being so wrong on issues that involve the lives and deaths
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:11 PM
Jul 2015

of untold numbers of human beings. Eg, Marriage Equality, how long should it have taken a Liberal Democrat to finally recognize that the Civil Rights of American Citizens were being denied, while they waited for elected officials to change?

I'm sure, in fact I know that Hillary is a nice person, but leaders need to be able to make important decisions, NOT based on their own personal beliefs but on what is the right thing to do.

Among the most important issues that a leader will have to make is when to send Americans troops to war.

And when so many ordinary people knew they were being lied to, it was devastating to watch some Dems hand over the awesome power to go to war to one of the most obvious lying and criminal administrations in living memory. Hundreds of thousands of human beings died because not enough of those who had the power to stop it, used that power to do.

'Changing' on an issue like that, is of no consequence to the dead and the maimed and tortured and the displaced.

Bernie Sanders had the good judgement and the foresight to his limited power to try to stop it. I so wish he had been president at the time.

This country needs a leader who will never make such tragic decisions.

I remember the night of that vote and literally cried when I saw the first Democrat vote to put that power in the hands a criminal administration and then watched as more of them did so.

I wonder how ANYONE can expect people to just brush that aside with the consequences of those votes still ongoing with no end in sight. I know I cannot. People don't get promoted when they make such awful decisions that cost lives, and trillions of dollars.

And there has still been no consequences for the criminals who lied

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
2. He was kind not to point out that the reason so many (mostly black) people have been incarcerated
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:19 AM
Jul 2015

in the last 20 years is due to the mandatory sentencing and three strikes policies pushed by the Clinton Administration.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
3. Hillary Clinton, 1994
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:20 AM
Jul 2015
We need more police, we need more and tougher prison sentences for repeat offenders. The three strikes and you’re out for violent offenders has to be part of the plan. We need more prisons to keep violent offenders for as long as it takes to keep them off the streets.


Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
7. People will say that is so long ago, but she is 20 years or so older than me and
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:52 AM
Jul 2015

I was the same person in 94 basically. I guess she was too.

All that "evolving" is questionable at best. She was either full of shit then or she is full of it now.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
9. Either way it still stinks
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:31 AM
Jul 2015

Todays paper there's are article and the Clinton camp are besides themselves bragging about how much money she's able to raise. Not one mention, that I seen that is, how many voters she's reaching. Its all about the money to her. The last thing I want in a leader to be honest.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
17. Didn't Bill also pass that crack vs. cocaine.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:34 PM
Jul 2015

That was also disastrous to the minority communities?

azmom

(5,208 posts)
22. Thanks. I only read articles about Clinton preserving
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 10:29 AM
Jul 2015

The law, but wasn't sure who initiated.


WASHINGTON — One week after President Clinton decried the "disproportionate percentage" of young black men going to prison, he has decided to sign into law a bill that would maintain stiff prison sentences for those caught with small amounts of crack cocaine.

The legislation would block a move by the U.S. Sentencing Commission to make prison terms the same for violations involving crack and powdered cocaine. While virtually all of those prosecuted for crack are black, powdered cocaine is used more by whites.

Speakers at last week's "Million Man March" blamed racially biased federal drug laws for the fact that the nation's prisons are so full. The Congressional Black Caucus told Clinton this week that the drug-law issue marks the "first test" of whether the Administration wants to end racism in the criminal justice system.




http://articles.latimes.com/1995-10-27/news/mn-61778_1_crack-cocaine

democrank

(11,094 posts)
4. Go Bernie!
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:22 AM
Jul 2015

His speech last night was one of the best nuts and bolts political speeches I`ve heard in a long, long time. The crowd seemed very receptive.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
11. Those comments had a young black woman in front of me literally jumping up and down
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:18 AM
Jul 2015

I know it's anecdotal, but it was pretty apparent that message appealed enormously to everyone. People were on their feet giving one of the greatest ovations of the evening. Bernie Sanders, and his supporters as evidenced by that crowd, are -all in- on social justice.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
12. Nice
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 12:46 PM
Jul 2015

The word needs to get out because he doesn't have the money to compete with the machine. It looks like there were a lot of standing ovations and a very lively crowd.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
13. I lost count of standing ovations... I remember at least 6
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:54 PM
Jul 2015

but I think there may have been double that.

The crowd was also very into 'booing' republican positions as characterized by Bernie, there may have been more than a dozen of those as well.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
25. So what did Bernie suggest as policy fixes?
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:42 PM
Jul 2015

My iPad keeps freezing after the first few minutes. I have mentioned that in the past Bernie has been excellent at verbalizing these frustrations. I was wondering what he thinks is the 'fix'. I am genuinely interested in knowing.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
29. Here are his just some of his work on the issue
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:59 PM
Jul 2015
http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Bernie_Sanders_Crime.htm

This is not a comprehensive list as I have seen elsewhere his bills for medical marijuana and trying to get lower sentences for non-violent drug offenders.

Here is just a sample, since many here claim his bills never pass

Sanders co-sponsored reducing recidivism by giving offenders a Second Chance
Recidivism Reduction and Second Chance Act of 2007
Amends the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 to expand provisions for adult and juvenile offender state and local reentry demonstration projects to provide expanded services to offenders and their families for reentry into society.

Directs the Attorney General to award grants for:
state and local reentry courts;
Comprehensive and Continuous Offender Reentry Task Forces;
pharmacological drug treatment services to incarcerated offenders;
technology career training for offenders;
mentoring services for reintegrating offenders into the community;
pharmacological drug treatment services to incarcerated offenders;
prison-based family treatment programs for incarcerated parents of minor children; and
a study of parole or post-incarceration supervision violations and revocations.
Legislative Outcome: Became Public Law No: 110-199.


So, when you checked out the information, what do you think?

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
30. Good co sponsor...thanks for responding.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 03:06 PM
Jul 2015

But I was wondering what he had suggested as fixes as part of this speech for the societal problems of today. I can only assume he didn't reference his 2007 co sponsored bill perhaps because the problems are ongoing

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
31. So you were not looking for an honest answer, just another way to
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 03:15 PM
Jul 2015

express your "concern".

As has explained to HRC supporters many times for this tired meme:

A) Bernie discusses many issues and tries to discuss them at depth. The fact that you demand that he go into depth for *every* issue in *every* speech means his speeches would be 10 hours long.

B) A candidate has a record. Bernie Sanders has a record of actually working on the issues he is discussing. Anyone can look at that record and see his work and see that he speaks with authority and truthfulness on that issue.

C) A candidate running on his record has always been the way politicians campaign. It is only in THIS campaign, where the candidate wishes to RUN from her record, that we have this meme that it only matters what a politician has SAID, not DONE, in the last five minutes.

D) You are supporting a candidate who has not seen fit to discuss ANY proposals or details of her policy thus far in her campaign. Why don't you demand the same from her?

I answered your demands, even though I am working and don't have time for these games. I will not waste my time on dishonest discussion in the future.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
32. No...I did appreciate your link. I hadn't read that before
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 04:19 PM
Jul 2015

But I was looking for content of his speech. I though I had made that clear in my first post on the matter.

Fwiw, you bring up and interesting dilemma, Bernie supporters are very vocal about the lack of policy content on both Obama and Clinton speeches. I assumed this was because Bernie was different in that matter. I was merely trying to determine this one difference, and get slammed for it?

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