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I wish I had taken a screen shot of CNN.com (Original Post) bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 OP
Kind of obvious, IMO. I don't think Bernie was supposed to be doing this well. djean111 Jul 2015 #1
I find that point completely paradigm-shifting... CoffeeCat Jul 2015 #23
I used to do the same thing. And I was often so frustrated listening to them distort or just ignore sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #42
the fact that that campaign cash goes to the media conglomerates mopinko Jul 2015 #36
Oh, I know! What do they think the candidates DO with that money? Even if it is just djean111 Jul 2015 #45
yup. mopinko Jul 2015 #47
Because they know people are stupid get the red out Jul 2015 #2
And who MADE them stupid? n/t Smarmie Doofus Jul 2015 #5
Exactly..... daleanime Jul 2015 #20
To emphasize the fact that he's a presidential candidate, perhaps? MADem Jul 2015 #3
I hadn't considered that. bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #6
Also, headlines that look good on PCs don't look good on phones. MADem Jul 2015 #15
How about, "Bernie Sanders, Democratic Presidential Candidate?" jalan48 Jul 2015 #12
How about it? You'll have to take it up with them, really. MADem Jul 2015 #14
Education of the electorate is the key to a healthy democracy. jalan48 Jul 2015 #16
Yes, and headlines that fit on a phone are the keys to successful clickbait. MADem Jul 2015 #18
True jalan48 Jul 2015 #21
Don't think so. A lot of people will say, "Wow. Who's this Sanders guy?" n/t Smarmie Doofus Jul 2015 #25
My mileage varies. MADem Jul 2015 #29
Don't think so... zentrum Jul 2015 #35
And "Sanders" could mean the Colonel. Please. MADem Jul 2015 #38
The old saying is still true, A Simple Game Jul 2015 #40
That's it exactly. n/t zentrum Jul 2015 #44
The news source DID think the headline was worthy of his name, initially. MADem Jul 2015 #46
That must be why all the OPs on DU just say candidate instead of Bernie or Hillary. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #48
You might want to check the thread starting post again. MADem Jul 2015 #49
True it's better that they finally recognize him as a candidate. It's hard not to at this point. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #43
I like the home page over at HuffPo...I think it's still up. Stellar Jul 2015 #4
I've been making my morning rounds bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #7
I can't find any reference to it on the Fox News site virtualobserver Jul 2015 #8
I don't get it. One of the Clinton memes is that FOX and GOP *want* to run against Sanders. n/t Smarmie Doofus Jul 2015 #9
Bless you for wandering into enemy territory though. nightscanner59 Jul 2015 #11
Here's Correct Huff Post Link with More Pictures: KoKo Jul 2015 #24
The link I referenced was on the home page with a gigantic headline and picture spread... Stellar Jul 2015 #26
It had changed to another topic so I found this link with more pics and tweets... KoKo Jul 2015 #31
actually... Stellar Jul 2015 #52
"Progressive Stronghold"? Well, I don't like THAT headline, either! rocktivity Jul 2015 #33
Thanks for that! All day I've been reading about the HuffPo front page, but my beloved older Stardust Jul 2015 #51
At least we're getting somewhere with this. CNN also took part in some Hillary email-bashing nightscanner59 Jul 2015 #10
Was Sanders mentioned by name while this picture was showing? brooklynite Jul 2015 #13
Another aspect... Augiedog Jul 2015 #17
It's quite simple. SmittynMo Jul 2015 #19
Must've changed it back again. The headline reads d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #22
Different headlines for different formats, maybe? MADem Jul 2015 #50
10,000 probably approaches the number of Republican candidates and their staff. Just kidding gordianot Jul 2015 #27
It's common for the news media to keep headlines vague so you will click on them Quixote1818 Jul 2015 #28
I agree. They want the headline to be vague for clickbait. NT Eric J in MN Jul 2015 #30
They probably copy tested to an audience before changing too. joshcryer Jul 2015 #37
For the same reason why Obama's run should have ended with Rev. Wright rocktivity Jul 2015 #32
Obama had recourse, Dean didn't, unfortunately. joshcryer Jul 2015 #39
Good catch. You're right. n/t zentrum Jul 2015 #34
They got an enraged phone call from the Koch Brothers? AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #41
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. Kind of obvious, IMO. I don't think Bernie was supposed to be doing this well.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:36 AM
Jul 2015

And - who benefits from all of that lovely Citizens United money? CNN and other MSM. They know where the money is to be scooped up, and it ain't Bernie.

The good news is that groups like Reddit, people like me, etc. do not get their news from the MSM.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
23. I find that point completely paradigm-shifting...
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:08 AM
Jul 2015

The fact that people like you (me and countless others), ignore the MSM is such a huge shift in culture and politics.

You're probably younger than I am (I'm 50), but I read Reddit and I also get most of my news online. I used to get most of my news from the MSM. I was addicted to CNN, and I had CNBC on all day, as I work from home.

No more. I can't remember the last time I saw anything on CNN or CNBC.

I think most people have realized that it is all corporate-run bullshit.

I think Millennials don't even consider the MSM a factor.

In effect, society has turned away from it.

I find that fact incredible satisfy. The corporate-political apparatus has lost their main means of propagandizing us and telling us how and what to think. They can no longer use their "injection model" of information--giving the public information and expecting that we will believe it and adopt the memes that they are disseminating.

Most people are not paying attention, and instead, rely on other sources.

Very heartwarming.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
42. I used to do the same thing. And I was often so frustrated listening to them distort or just ignore
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:56 AM
Jul 2015

important stories, that I finally stopped watching.

Like you and like millions of others, I get news from multiple online sources and rarely bother with the Corporate Media.

They must be wondering why their propaganda isn't working the way it used to work.

Young people especially do not use the Corp Media for news which is why they are so much better informed than their elders.

mopinko

(70,104 posts)
36. the fact that that campaign cash goes to the media conglomerates
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:24 AM
Jul 2015

is lost on WAAAAAAAY to many people.
way way too many people.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
45. Oh, I know! What do they think the candidates DO with that money? Even if it is just
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 03:35 PM
Jul 2015

laundering it, it goes right to the media. It does not go to the volunteers. They are called volunteers for a good reason. No pay. It does not generally go to swanky hotels and restaurants, that might look bad. The more connected candidates likely fly around in donated private jets, so they are not sweating the extra baggage fees.

That huge money goes for advertising. The MSM gets that money. And yeah, that is not pointed out much. The MSM wants a horse race now, for clicks and views, as long as it does not get out of hand and jeopardize the spending of a candidate's huge war chest. The MSM will NOT be endorsing someone because they believe deeply in them, necessarily - the MSM believe deeply in campaign advertising dollars. And personally -fewer and fewer people, IMO, give a rat's ass about campaign ads. They are just fiddling with themselves, the MSM. and getting paid.

mopinko

(70,104 posts)
47. yup.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 03:49 PM
Jul 2015

a dirty little secret. and of course, they have their eye out for anyone who might challenge their little game.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
3. To emphasize the fact that he's a presidential candidate, perhaps?
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:44 AM
Jul 2015

If you saw a headline that said "Johnson draws 10K crowd" you might wonder who the hell Johnson was, and you might wonder why he was speaking to a crowd of 10K, but you might not care that much. There's lots of news, and someone speaking is just not necessarily that interesting.

"Candidate" brings the viewer closer to the idea of an election. It's a change that is actually of benefit to the candidate. Candidate? Candidate for what? The Presidency? Who is this person...?

For once, CNN picked a better word. If they could have squeezed both words in (Candidate Sanders) that might have been best, but don't ask for the moon with those guys.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
6. I hadn't considered that.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:52 AM
Jul 2015

That makes sense, maybe I'm just looking too deep into things. At least its something, the new york times has been completely silent so far.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
15. Also, headlines that look good on PCs don't look good on phones.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:26 AM
Jul 2015

It needs to be kept short and sweet on the phone--and lots of people use the phone, nowadays.

jalan48

(13,865 posts)
12. How about, "Bernie Sanders, Democratic Presidential Candidate?"
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:18 AM
Jul 2015

It doesn't require that much more air time. I know the networks are busy with the Kardashians, etc., but a few extra, clarifying words shouldn't affect that.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
14. How about it? You'll have to take it up with them, really.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:25 AM
Jul 2015

Some people don't read that much. You'd never see anything past "Demo..." on a phone.

If I were an unknown candidate, and I had a choice between my (unknown) name, and the word "candidate," I'd pick the latter. It might prompt a politically interested person to click.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
18. Yes, and headlines that fit on a phone are the keys to successful clickbait.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:39 AM
Jul 2015

No clickbait, no "education!" At least when trying to reach the lazy readers....

jalan48

(13,865 posts)
21. True
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:51 AM
Jul 2015

I think we're down to candidates as brands of soap. At this point it looks like Hillary "Gets You Cleaner" Clinton vs. Bernie, "Brighter Whites and Colors" Sanders. May the best brand win!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
29. My mileage varies.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:47 AM
Jul 2015

"Sanders" could be speaking about corn futures or the new iPhone.

"Candidate" is speaking about an election/platform.

We're still WAY away from primary elections. You might be focused on it--most people are not.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
35. Don't think so...
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:22 AM
Jul 2015

"Candidate" could mean Trump, or Clinton or Jeb or anyone.
It blurs it entirely.
Conveys the same ole, same ole. Not even interesting.

"Sanders" would make people say—who's that and click on the story.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
38. And "Sanders" could mean the Colonel. Please.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:29 AM
Jul 2015

Think what you'd like. I don't agree that there was anything nefarious in the word substitution.

Nothing in the headline said the audience was there for a political speech or rally. The Colonel could have been giving out free Five Dollah meals to the first 10,000 arrivals.

In fact, I think the word swap helped "the candidate."

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
40. The old saying is still true,
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:44 AM
Jul 2015

"I don't care if the publicity is good or bad as long as they spell my name right."

If the news source doesn't think the headline is worthy of a person's name, why would I or anyone else bother to read it?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
46. The news source DID think the headline was worthy of his name, initially.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 03:46 PM
Jul 2015

Obviously, it wasn't getting any clicks, probably because people thought it was about The Colonel, or some boring speech on something dull unrelated to politics.

The name was there, it was spelled right, but the headline wasn't telegraphing anything to do with elections.

They changed it to "Candidate" to increase the clicks, I would think.

I don't care who is running, or which candidate--any candidate who gets that kind of crowd is worth a click on the link just to see what's going on. I'd click on the link if it was Rubio, Cruz, or even if Trump paid ten thousand people to listen to him. Because, you know, Trump would have to pay ten thousand people to listen to him, or at least serve heavy hors d'ouvres and a couple of beers or wine spritzers.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
48. That must be why all the OPs on DU just say candidate instead of Bernie or Hillary.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 03:52 PM
Jul 2015

Maybe somebody got overruled and was told to change it, who knows.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
49. You might want to check the thread starting post again.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:05 PM
Jul 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=421180

The original headline said SANDERS.

It was later changed.

People don't change headlines to get FEWER clicks--clicks mean AD revenue.

If the thing wasn't "selling" it would have been taken down, not adjusted to bring in more clicks.

I believe the purpose of the change was to increase clicks--people hit the button to find out who drew the crowd--it appeals to all political persuasions, because no one knows who the candidate is until they commit to the click.

I realize everyone on DU thinks that Sanders is famous, but he's not out there in the big wide world. When you say SANDERS, most Americans think this guy:




Don't shoot the messenger--that's just the extra-crispy truth. No one knew who Howard Dean was, either, when he first started out.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
43. True it's better that they finally recognize him as a candidate. It's hard not to at this point.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:58 AM
Jul 2015

But they did not when they should have, since he has been a candidate for two months now.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
4. I like the home page over at HuffPo...I think it's still up.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:46 AM
Jul 2015
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

It says...

BERNIEMANIA



10,000 Pack Madison Arena...
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bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
7. I've been making my morning rounds
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:54 AM
Jul 2015

So far huffington and msnbc seem to be doing it right. Although I think the article already dropped from the top spot on msnbc.

nightscanner59

(802 posts)
11. Bless you for wandering into enemy territory though.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:17 AM
Jul 2015

I'm a little battle-weary for now attempting to change young hearts and minds on their affiliates, but I'll heal and get back to it: to wit:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1022870

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
26. The link I referenced was on the home page with a gigantic headline and picture spread...
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:26 AM
Jul 2015

It has changed now and I knew it would.

When you click on the home page link it would bring up the second page that you've posted.

But what I don't understand is why Bernies polls are not better. Somethings wrong here.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
31. It had changed to another topic so I found this link with more pics and tweets...
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:06 AM
Jul 2015

Huff Post is always a challenge.

I think polling is all over the place because of cell phones and home phones with Caller I.D. blocks. I don't think its as reliable these days as in the past. There have been some articles about the difficulties these days. Like the polling in GB was all wrong in their last election and in Israel with their election polling all the way up to the day of the vote.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
52. actually...
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 09:17 AM
Jul 2015

If you click on the link of the home page right now...the headline will change to something slightly different, it usually does.

"It had changed to another topic so I found this link with more pics and tweets..."


For example...the home page now says, THE GREAT EUROPEAN EXPERIMENT FALLS APART..

But, if you click on that link it will say " This Is What The End Of European Democracy Looks Like", something different, with added information.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
33. "Progressive Stronghold"? Well, I don't like THAT headline, either!
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:16 AM
Jul 2015

It suggests that Bernie shouldn't be taken seriously because it happened in his own political back yard!


rocktivity

Stardust

(3,894 posts)
51. Thanks for that! All day I've been reading about the HuffPo front page, but my beloved older
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:07 AM
Jul 2015

iPad can't handle that site.

nightscanner59

(802 posts)
10. At least we're getting somewhere with this. CNN also took part in some Hillary email-bashing
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:14 AM
Jul 2015

on yesterday's headlines. I was too busy getting ready for work to soak the crux of the story, maybe someone can fill me in.
I don't think all the MSM except the obviously sly Fox can keep down the story of someone who speaks truth for long. I suspect even the most casual observer is picking up on how MSM is attempting to prop and promote only their picks this early in the game.

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
13. Was Sanders mentioned by name while this picture was showing?
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:22 AM
Jul 2015

If so, I think you're getting worked up over nothing.

Augiedog

(2,547 posts)
17. Another aspect...
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:32 AM
Jul 2015

to Bernie Sanders is about inspire Americas less informed electorate, that of engaging in a critical thinking based discussions about the direction society is or should be going. While the Faux news viewers will be hopelessly out of touch on the concept of critical thinking, many others who might find contemporary politics at best disturbing, will be drawn to the truths that Sanders brings to the discussions. He is making our political landscape healthier and more dynamic just by his presence. He is changing the conversation despite the efforts of the billionaire owned main stream medias best efforts to ignore or minimize him.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
50. Different headlines for different formats, maybe?
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:07 PM
Jul 2015

That reads like a PC or tablet headline. The Sanders/Candidate one reads like a phone one.

gordianot

(15,238 posts)
27. 10,000 probably approaches the number of Republican candidates and their staff. Just kidding
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:37 AM
Jul 2015

I would love to see Bernie Sanders and get my chance to vote in the Primary.

Quixote1818

(28,936 posts)
28. It's common for the news media to keep headlines vague so you will click on them
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:38 AM
Jul 2015

and see who they are talking about. CNN loves the horserace and if they want Bernie to go down, they will attack him later, once everyone is tuned in to the close race.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
37. They probably copy tested to an audience before changing too.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:27 AM
Jul 2015

Run both headlines, whichever one gets the most clicks, run that one.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
32. For the same reason why Obama's run should have ended with Rev. Wright
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:10 AM
Jul 2015

They were successful with the Dean Scream. They changed the debate rules to stop Dennis Kucinich from participating. So tying Obama to a clergyman who made one out-of-context remark in twenty years should have been a cakewalk. But they were caught in the act of being unfair and unbalanced when the blogosphere revealed that the other leading Democratic candidate also had a tie to Wright, and that the leading GOP candidate had a tie to a controversial clergyman of his own.

Thanks to the blogosphere (and the continuation of Net neutrality), mainstream media marginalization ain't what it used to be.


rocktivity

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
39. Obama had recourse, Dean didn't, unfortunately.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:33 AM
Jul 2015

Obama gave a brilliant speech, one for the ages, which spread like wildfire on social media, especially YouTube.

Dean had no control, YouTube didn't even exist, sharing video to debunk it was hard. Days later the media became even more pathetic, showing the bob hot Mic view, where he was clearly speaking to a super ecstatic crowd.

Amazing what four years can do, it's even crazier now.

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