nastier this go round.

We know who they are and how they operate.

Bernie is one of us, the 99%...he's genuine, not a manipulator/liar.

If. Just wait. You know she will. No doubt about it. Of course she will.

I assume she learned her lesson when it hurt her more than it helped her. People do change, and I'm giving Clinton the benefit of the doubt. I like the way she worked with Obama and the way she handle;ed herself as SOS.

implying Obama has not handled foreign relations well on that front. That would be somewhat of a concern if true; will have to look into that further.

I suspect she'll handle Israel with less than kid gloves considering the current climate of opinion. Liberals are pretty much in agreement that Israel has jumped the shark.

She'll double down on her mistakes of '08, except with more money. She lives in a bubble of consultants and Wall St CEOs, and doesn't get it that we're on to her campaign of smears and hit men, and her corporatist platform.

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Team Hillary at it's finest.

A train wreck in slow motion is fun to watch.

watch the metal meet the concrete, but the people on that train? They just don't feel it because they are going the same speed as that train. Until it comes to an immediate, catastrophic halt.

It's the sound of inevitability, but not the way they thought it would happen."

Thank you, my ally!

I don't mind highlighting it when somebody makes a great point, which you did.

Maybe I should change parties.

I'm too busy being one to make claims like that.

Try as you may

I don't want to risk that again.

So we must run with bullshit?

I call bullshit!

That's a cheap trick, and total BS. You sound a bit over-emotional at the moment. Need a nap?

...please do tell what you were saying.

Sanders has always talked a good line, but he has accomplished very little of substance and has no experience dealing with the big boys in the real world.

Even though he has tirelessly worked for these things his whole adult life.

Kind of a habit with you, isn't it.? I didn't say or imply that Sanders is dishonest. I said that he's better at talking about what's good for the country than actually doing things to make it happen. Some people are idea people and others are doers. I'd say Sanders falls in the first category. Now could you stop inferring things from what I've written that just aren't there?

You imply he is dishonest. Your words, not mine.

Out of curiosity: What has he said that you do not believe? List a few things and the reasons you do not believe them.

Thanks in advance!

...to put his word into action.

Thus you imply he is dishonest.

Or stop harping on this rather obsession of yours.

What evidence do you submit to back that claim?

Behind the scenes its all corporate wishes and caviar dreams.

Out in the daylight its fighting for the little people, standing against hate and bigotry, saving the natural world for kids and fluffy kitties and love, love, loving that Jesus.

Then its backing to making the world safer for hedge funds and less safe for everyone not sheltered by the corporations.

He was one of the founders of the progressive caucus in congress; one of the largest democratic congressional caucuses.

He has sponsored and cosponsered lots of legislation that has gotten passed.

Seriously, your tone is intensely patronizing and you are playing the old third way tune about him being "too liberal to get things done."

Im a sanders supporter but it almost sounds like you are trying to alienate people from Hillary. Why is that?

The question was directed at frylock.

You people are priceless. Seriously, the tone of Sanders supporters to me in the conversation above has been nasty and antagonistic. Don't lecture me on being patronizing. Frylock challenged me to provide a list of accomplishments. I did and when I respond with the same question, you come off patronizing with "do the research."

Please provide a list of significant legislation.

Frankly I'll support whoever wins the nomination, but it has been the tone of Sanders supporters that has pissed me off.

Just curious...

You keep insisting that I accuse Sanders of being dishonest and lying when I meant no such thing, and tried in vain to clarify my view.

nt

btw, we have had this 's/he has accomplished nothing' before so I have the stats on the facts of who accomplished what, it might surprise you.

But go ahead and list the accomplishments, what 'they got done' other than talk, of Hillary or let's say, Schumer, my Senator unfortunately, so we can then compare with FACTS, rather than 'just talk' which is often what transpires in these discussions with little to back it up.

I like to see people back up these pronouncements and then compare notes so we can ACCURATELY judge the records of those seeking elected office.

I'm sure you have looked at http://correctrecord.org/

For example, in one random clip of many...Hillary was VERY active as a Senator. Some things passed and other didn't. It would take page after page to list all the efforts. Here's an small excerpt from the immigration record 10 years ago. Bernie's record is an obstructionist, but quite ineffective in both the House and Senate on innovative legislation.

"Fighting for comprehensive immigration reform. Hillary Clinton has long been an advocate for comprehensive immigration reform. She was one of the two cosponsors of Senator Ted Kennedy’s 2004 bill, the S.O.L.V.E. Act, and during her time in the Senate she continued to cosponsor and vote for comprehensive immigration reform legislation. As a presidential candidate in 2008, Hillary called for “a path to legalization” to bring people “out of the shadows,” and she pledged that, if elected, she would introduce a plan for immigration reform “in the first 100 days” of her presidency. As Sec. Clinton recently told a tearful young undocumented immigrant, “I’m a huge supporter of immigration reform and a path to citizenship and will continue to advocate for that.”

Expanding access to health care. Hillary Clinton introduced the Legal Immigrant Children’s Health Improvement Act to end the five-year waiting period for immigrant children and pregnant women to participate in the Children’s Health Insurance Program. Advocating for her 2007 bill, she said, “While most children receive preventative medical care, such as vaccines and routine dental care, too often immigrant children do not. They are forced to forego treatment and can ultimately end up seeking needed care in emergency rooms—the least cost-effective place to provide care.” Reintroduced and passed in 2009 as part of the Children’s Health Insurance Program reauthorization, former Secretary of Health and Human Resources Kathleen Sebelius praised this legislative push that ultimately allowed health “coverage to all children who are lawfully present in the United States.”

Job training for people with limited English proficiency. Hillary Clinton developed and introduced legislation to expand job training access to people with limited English language skills. Touting this bill, the Access to Employment and English Acquisition Act, Hillary said, “There is no question that English proficiency is critical to economic advancement and improved quality of life for LEP [Limited English Proficient] workers and their families. Workers who are fluent in oral and written English earn about 24 percent more than those who lack fluency, regardless of their qualifications. These individuals are better able to participate in the civic life of their community, which so many LEP individuals in New York tell me they want to do.”

Expanding opportunities to gain permanent residency. As a candidate for Senate, Hillary Clinton called for passage of legislation so that “All immigrants on the verge of gaining residency status should not be forced to leave this country while they wait for the INS to process their application.” The LIFE Act and LIFE Act Amendments, enacted in December 2000, allowed certain eligible immigrants until April, 2001 to apply for permanent residency without being forced to leave the United States first. As a Senator, Hillary urged those eligible to apply for the program and she cosponsored legislation to extend it until April, 2002."

Once Bill Clitnot turned over the media to them with the Telecommunications Act it was a cinch ...like making Play-doh snakes.
lol

nt

Sounds almost like a religious conversion. Could you help me out here and list some of Sanders' accomplishments?

something never accomplished before

At least she's being honest about that. You? Not so much

Or, worse, sides with them. Like Clinton does on TPP, xl, privatized insurance, drilling, social security cap, Pentagon budget, war in the middle east, rttb, and so on.

She was a Senator for 8 of those years. She was a Cabinet official for 4.

What did Hillary do in the Senate that makes her so much more amazing than Bernie

Bernie has gone toe-to-toe with the GOP often.

Biden stayed in a small state, too. Was he a poor choice for VP?

Sanders has supported the dems his entire career.


It's OK if you like Hillary, but you don't have to make things up about other candidates to justify it.