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boston bean

(36,221 posts)
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:01 PM Jul 2015

Bernie Sanders Is the Best Challenger Hillary Clinton Could've Hoped For

LACONIA, New Hampshire—Bernie Sanders says a lot of things his fans love, what with his views on big banks, Republicans who deny climate change, and the billionaire Koch brothers.

And he says one big thing that Hillary Clinton's campaign can also love: "I have never run a negative political ad in my life, and I don't intend to."

In other words, the independent Vermont senator and Clinton's top challenger at the moment for the Democratic presidential nomination is about the best kind of top challenger a front-runner can have: one who focuses on issues that pretty much every primary voter in their party can agree upon, while doing nothing to challenge her character or competence for office.

"If I'm a Hillary Clinton person, this is what I want. I want someone like Bernie Sanders in the race," says Mo Elleithee, a former top staffer at the Democratic National Committee who now runs Georgetown University's Institute of Politics and Public Service. "It gives her the opportunity to address the issues that he and his supporters want to hear about."


http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/bernie-sanders-new-hampshire-hillary-clinton-20150628

Interesting take...
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Bernie Sanders Is the Best Challenger Hillary Clinton Could've Hoped For (Original Post) boston bean Jul 2015 OP
The only negative promotion I've seen 'representing' Senator Sander's campaign is at DU. onehandle Jul 2015 #1
Most people are less likely to be completely obnoxious to your face LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #16
Ouch. onehandle Jul 2015 #17
Pundit noise. kenfrequed Jul 2015 #2
In many ways, he's the worst kind of challenger she could have. winter is coming Jul 2015 #7
I'm much in agreement with you. azmom Jul 2015 #11
+lots (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #12
excellent summary frylock Jul 2015 #24
That is a very interesting OP ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #3
I appreciate what Bernie is saying. Sheepshank Jul 2015 #4
Bernie has always taken the high road Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #19
Great point. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #5
Bernie is such a nourishing breath of fresh air 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #6
Odd. I was thinking just the opposite. Bernie needed Hillary to look sensible. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jul 2015 #8
So true. McCamy Taylor Jul 2015 #9
So their plan is to co-opt his platform??? BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #10
Hrm...our "who else you gonna vote for" plan isn't working out... jeff47 Jul 2015 #13
Spin spin spin spin spin kath Jul 2015 #14
Yes, I look forward to her "addressing the issues Bernie and his supporters want to hear about" NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #15
Mrs. Clinton is a good candidate RoccoR5955 Jul 2015 #18
Imagine the gargantuan job of backpedaling she's going to have to do if she wins the primary Fumesucker Jul 2015 #20
You mean Bernie supporters? boston bean Jul 2015 #21
Nah, she's moving *toward* Bernie now Fumesucker Jul 2015 #23
"Addressing the issues" - having conversations. Parroting Bernie's stances. djean111 Jul 2015 #22

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
1. The only negative promotion I've seen 'representing' Senator Sander's campaign is at DU.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:05 PM
Jul 2015

The few Bernie supporters I know in real life don't attack Hillary ad infinitum.

I'm a big fan of the Senator. Glad he is taking the high road.

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
16. Most people are less likely to be completely obnoxious to your face
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 03:23 PM
Jul 2015

It's pretty easy to play the internet tough guy, know it all, covet the struggle, woe is me role here anonymously.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
2. Pundit noise.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:09 PM
Jul 2015

The problem is she doesn't want to substantively address the problems of free trade and the banks. She wants to use platitudes to manage voter anger and frustration. Bernie is entirely specific and has a track record. I don't think the author was being terribly thoughtful. It sounds more like spin.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
7. In many ways, he's the worst kind of challenger she could have.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:30 PM
Jul 2015

He won't go negative, so when she does, the potential backlash will be much greater. His specific and direct answers make the typical sort of politico-speak (long on feels, short on details) feel hollow and unsatisfying, and having a decades-long track record that's consistent with his current rhetoric makes it impossible to question his sincerity. If this were an election cycle where people felt well-off and secure in their jobs/homes, etc., Hillary might be able to succeed in marginalizing Bernie, but the current climate favors him and threatens her. Bernie's message resonates deeply with people who are struggling or know someone who's struggling, and it's utterly authentic.

ismnotwasm

(41,980 posts)
3. That is a very interesting OP
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:10 PM
Jul 2015

I think all of our candidates have excellent points, Hillary is simply the clear choice for me.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
4. I appreciate what Bernie is saying.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:11 PM
Jul 2015

The reality is that Hillary is a giant walking target that every other politician, and a huge swath of DU, aim at daily. Negativisms are lobbing in from every direction. In reality what could Bernie add to what is already being hurled at her? He has the luxury of taking the highroad.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
6. Bernie is such a nourishing breath of fresh air
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jul 2015

compared to the kind of attack ads & smear tactics employed by nearly every other known
US candidate for office., including HRC.

That fresh air and emotional nourishment cannot be counterfeited. Bernie's got it, and
people are starved for that, esp all the disaffected but eligible voters who have given up
on the whole thing..

Bernie's tapping that, now .. and it will continue to spread, and there's not a whole lot
HRC can do about it, except of course, employ a bag of smears and dirty attack ads and
float shills like McCaskill to spew toxic nonsense about him.

Time is on Bernie's side too. He's even polling ahead of where Obama was in 2007, so
we'll see what we will see.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
10. So their plan is to co-opt his platform???
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:53 PM
Jul 2015

They think that everyone will go for fake populism and "evolving" on issues? Great, keep going!! It's *brilliant*!!!!!!!!

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
13. Hrm...our "who else you gonna vote for" plan isn't working out...
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:58 PM
Jul 2015

..time to switch to "we wanted this all along".

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
15. Yes, I look forward to her "addressing the issues Bernie and his supporters want to hear about"
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 03:12 PM
Jul 2015

When do you think she will start?

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
18. Mrs. Clinton is a good candidate
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 03:45 PM
Jul 2015

But why settle for second best when we can elect the BEST.
We can elect Bernie Sanders, and not have someone "like" Bernie, but have the ACTUAL article?

I just don't understand.

I certainly don't want to settle for second best, and even if Mrs. Clinton is swayed by Sanders' platform, I agree more with Sanders than with Mrs. Clinton any way.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
20. Imagine the gargantuan job of backpedaling she's going to have to do if she wins the primary
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 03:49 PM
Jul 2015

It's going to be really obvious when she goes after that hard working white vote again.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
23. Nah, she's moving *toward* Bernie now
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 03:54 PM
Jul 2015

She will be moving away from the positions Bernie voters prefer in the general.

And besides, Bernie voters are all lazy white socialists who want to soak the hard working rich.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
22. "Addressing the issues" - having conversations. Parroting Bernie's stances.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 03:51 PM
Jul 2015

Been there. Not very compelling.

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