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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:29 PM Jul 2015

With Webb and Chaffee in: I think the party's right is bigger than a lot of DU acknowledges

A majority of Democratic voters identify as moderate or conservative, and they aren't on DU (eg I'm about as far to the right as DU goes nowadays, and I self identify as liberal, and have lost lots of precinct-level party fights for being too far left).

Webb and Chaffee are both in a position to go after these Democrats, though I think Webb's is better. Like Chaffee, Webb is a former Republican, but he's a southerner rather than a New Englander. Super Tuesday could be very interesting if he's still in for it. Specifically, if Clinton has a challenge to her left and right, I'm curious to see where she will go.

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With Webb and Chaffee in: I think the party's right is bigger than a lot of DU acknowledges (Original Post) Recursion Jul 2015 OP
Chafee hardly represents conservatives--he's more liberal than a lot of Democrats. Arkana Jul 2015 #1
Gee, on some days trade policy is presented as very important to DU, Chafee is a big free trade Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #16
Being pro-free trade doesn't make you a blood-gargling Arkana Jul 2015 #22
I beg to differ. truebluegreen Jul 2015 #27
lol tymorial Jul 2015 #26
I don't think Webb will gain any traction. I don't see him polling out of the single digits. morningfog Jul 2015 #2
I agree with you davidpdx Jul 2015 #15
People like to throw out that Webb was a Republican, but he was never a member of their party. FSogol Jul 2015 #3
I wondered who would be chosen as Sec. of Defense...... virtualobserver Jul 2015 #6
He'd make a good one. Despite his flaws, he is reform-minded. n/t FSogol Jul 2015 #8
Sorry, but you're wrong about Webb and The Navy. MicaelS Jul 2015 #10
My bad, Thanks. n/t FSogol Jul 2015 #11
Very true about Webb's stances JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #23
I wouldn't worry. Webb is comfortable talking to military types around FSogol Jul 2015 #25
It's a big tent. MADem Jul 2015 #4
Do you think Rubio and Cruz show that the GOP's latino support is bigger than expected? jeff47 Jul 2015 #5
I didn't say they were caused by it I predict they will demonstrate it. (nt) Recursion Jul 2015 #20
The base is more liberal than "leadership". HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #7
^this^ truebluegreen Jul 2015 #28
Oh no'es, you might make someone's head explode! Phlem Jul 2015 #29
A majority of Democratic voters identify as liberal or moderate. GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #9
Agree about the party's right. DanTex Jul 2015 #12
i can't see either of them doing well at all JI7 Jul 2015 #13
The right wing dems AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #14
Candidates have to get votes before their presence tells us anything about voters. Note Ben Carson Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #17
Bullshit. 99Forever Jul 2015 #18
I think the party's right is delusional about how big it really is and how little they matter. Chan790 Jul 2015 #19
I hope you're right Recursion Jul 2015 #21
I don't know much about the conservatives sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #24
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
16. Gee, on some days trade policy is presented as very important to DU, Chafee is a big free trade
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 08:52 AM
Jul 2015

advocate who sat in the Senate voting Yes on crappy trade deals Hillary voted against on the Democratic side. So it's odd that DU presents him as super liberal and her as the Queen of Free Trade, and by odd I mean stupid.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
22. Being pro-free trade doesn't make you a blood-gargling
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:59 PM
Jul 2015

conservative.

It makes you like a lot of Democrats in the party right now.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
27. I beg to differ.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 09:14 PM
Jul 2015

I think it does make you a blood-gargling conservative, whether or not you identify as a Democrat.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
2. I don't think Webb will gain any traction. I don't see him polling out of the single digits.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:42 PM
Jul 2015

Hillary has the right flank covered. Sanders has the left. O'Malley is wedging between the two with some really good ideas. I don't see any significant real estate left for Webb or Chafee.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
15. I agree with you
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 06:09 AM
Jul 2015

Webb and Chafee are too far right. I respect Webb even though I won't vote for him. Chafee I don't know much about other than he switched parties awhile back. I'm not sure which of the two is more conservative.

FSogol

(45,485 posts)
3. People like to throw out that Webb was a Republican, but he was never a member of their party.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:43 PM
Jul 2015

He ran as a Democrat in every race. He served as Assistant Secretary of Defense for Reserve Affairs during Reagan's first term before being appointed by Reagan to be Sec of the Navy. Webb was a reformer and the Navy (and Reagan) were glad when he quit. (Webb had wanted to greatly reduce the size of the Navy).

Webb is to the right (along with Chafee) of all the other Democrats running (including HRC), but he is unusual since he can be very liberal on certain issues (Criminal justice reform, staying out of mid-east wars, tax reform). He is hard to define with the standard labels DU likes to slap on people.

While I wouldn't vote for Webb in the primary, I wouldn't have reservations voting for him if he (somehow) got the nomination. He would be best in some cabinet level position, imo.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
10. Sorry, but you're wrong about Webb and The Navy.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:20 PM
Jul 2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Webb#Post-military_career

In 1987, he served as Secretary of the Navy, becoming the first Naval Academy graduate to serve as the civilian head of the Navy. As Navy Secretary, Webb pushed the appointment of Alfred M. Gray, Jr. as Commandant of the Marine Corps, hoping that Gray could reshape the Corps into the elite unit it once was. Webb resigned in 1988 after refusing to agree to reduce the size of the Navy. Webb had wished to increase the Navy to 600 ships.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/600-ship_Navy

Eventually political pressure to reduce the national budget deficit resulted in Congress reversing itself and passing a series of declining defense budgets beginning in 1986. Weinberger clashed with Congress over the cuts, resigning in late 1987, and was succeeded by Frank Carlucci. Lehman's successor as Navy Secretary, Jim Webb, remained a fierce proponent of the expanded fleet, and disagreed with Carlucci over how to cut the Navy budget in line with other services. Webb resigned rather than endorse Carlucci's cut of 16 frigates. As revealed in The Reagan Diaries, Reagan reflected about Webb's resignation on 22 February 1988: "Present Sec. Webb resigned over budget cuts. I don't think Navy was sorry to see him go."

JustAnotherGen

(31,823 posts)
23. Very true about Webb's stances
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 06:13 PM
Jul 2015

I think he's the one most dangerous to O'Malley. He could play to the Manchin Democrats. This is why O'Malley has to keep tying renewable energy and green infrastructure to new high paying jobs.

FSogol

(45,485 posts)
25. I wouldn't worry. Webb is comfortable talking to military types around
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 09:08 PM
Jul 2015

Norfolk, but is much more awkward around teachers, unions, etc.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
4. It's a big tent.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:48 PM
Jul 2015

Jon Tester doesn't have a leadership position in Congress (elected to it by his peers) because they like his looks.

There ARE older white males, and people who lean "conservative," in that Big Tent.

I am not enamoured of the candidates that might appeal to that wing of the party, but they deserve to have someone articulating their viewpoints during the primary process, too. All's fair, at the end of the day.

We'll get it sorted out, eventually.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
5. Do you think Rubio and Cruz show that the GOP's latino support is bigger than expected?
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:48 PM
Jul 2015

Just because a candidate runs does not mean they have a base, or believe that they can win.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
7. The base is more liberal than "leadership".
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:53 PM
Jul 2015

Look at all the support against Iraq War, for indicting bankers, against Patriot Act and domestic spying, and for Single-payer. "Leaders" had to be dragged to gay-marriage. Third Way has been blind to the building anger from below...that's what's fueling Sanders surging #s.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
29. Oh no'es, you might make someone's head explode!
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 09:24 PM
Jul 2015

Light that truth bomb and run for cover! It's the 4th tomorrow!

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
12. Agree about the party's right.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:07 PM
Jul 2015

Still, I don't think that Webb or Chaffee are going to have much impact at all. Almost all party insiders support Clinton. Attacks from her right aren't going to make any difference in the primaries.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
14. The right wing dems
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 03:41 AM
Jul 2015

Wont tell us which right wing policies they adhere to. Ask them and you get silence.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
17. Candidates have to get votes before their presence tells us anything about voters. Note Ben Carson
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 09:05 AM
Jul 2015

being a Republican candidate does not in fact tell us that the GOP's African American support is bigger than people think. It just tells us that Carson's ego is bigger than people think.
I don't think either of these guys will get much traction. Clearly they are far less popular than either Bernie or Hillary.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
18. Bullshit.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 09:06 AM
Jul 2015

A majority of Democratic voters DO NOT identify as moderate or conservative.

What utter nonsense.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
19. I think the party's right is delusional about how big it really is and how little they matter.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 09:33 AM
Jul 2015

I think it wants to believe it matters when it's really merely a decent-sized slush-tank for disaffected Republicans that will return to being Republicans as soon as they come to understand that the Democratic party isn't gong to follow them off a cliff in pursuit of an increasingly right-wing illusion of centrism at a time Americans are liberalizing on both economic and social issues slowly.

Personally, I'd like to do them the favor of a slight push out through the tent-flaps.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
24. I don't know much about the conservatives
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 06:27 PM
Jul 2015

in the Democratic party. I wonder whether there are
many moderate republicans, who were turned off by
Bush and the Teaparty people, who voted as Dems.

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