2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWith Webb and Chaffee in: I think the party's right is bigger than a lot of DU acknowledges
A majority of Democratic voters identify as moderate or conservative, and they aren't on DU (eg I'm about as far to the right as DU goes nowadays, and I self identify as liberal, and have lost lots of precinct-level party fights for being too far left).
Webb and Chaffee are both in a position to go after these Democrats, though I think Webb's is better. Like Chaffee, Webb is a former Republican, but he's a southerner rather than a New Englander. Super Tuesday could be very interesting if he's still in for it. Specifically, if Clinton has a challenge to her left and right, I'm curious to see where she will go.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)advocate who sat in the Senate voting Yes on crappy trade deals Hillary voted against on the Democratic side. So it's odd that DU presents him as super liberal and her as the Queen of Free Trade, and by odd I mean stupid.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)conservative.
It makes you like a lot of Democrats in the party right now.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)I think it does make you a blood-gargling conservative, whether or not you identify as a Democrat.
tymorial
(3,433 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Hillary has the right flank covered. Sanders has the left. O'Malley is wedging between the two with some really good ideas. I don't see any significant real estate left for Webb or Chafee.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Webb and Chafee are too far right. I respect Webb even though I won't vote for him. Chafee I don't know much about other than he switched parties awhile back. I'm not sure which of the two is more conservative.
FSogol
(45,485 posts)He ran as a Democrat in every race. He served as Assistant Secretary of Defense for Reserve Affairs during Reagan's first term before being appointed by Reagan to be Sec of the Navy. Webb was a reformer and the Navy (and Reagan) were glad when he quit. (Webb had wanted to greatly reduce the size of the Navy).
Webb is to the right (along with Chafee) of all the other Democrats running (including HRC), but he is unusual since he can be very liberal on certain issues (Criminal justice reform, staying out of mid-east wars, tax reform). He is hard to define with the standard labels DU likes to slap on people.
While I wouldn't vote for Webb in the primary, I wouldn't have reservations voting for him if he (somehow) got the nomination. He would be best in some cabinet level position, imo.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)in the next administration.
FSogol
(45,485 posts)MicaelS
(8,747 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/600-ship_Navy
FSogol
(45,485 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)I think he's the one most dangerous to O'Malley. He could play to the Manchin Democrats. This is why O'Malley has to keep tying renewable energy and green infrastructure to new high paying jobs.
FSogol
(45,485 posts)Norfolk, but is much more awkward around teachers, unions, etc.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Jon Tester doesn't have a leadership position in Congress (elected to it by his peers) because they like his looks.
There ARE older white males, and people who lean "conservative," in that Big Tent.
I am not enamoured of the candidates that might appeal to that wing of the party, but they deserve to have someone articulating their viewpoints during the primary process, too. All's fair, at the end of the day.
We'll get it sorted out, eventually.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Just because a candidate runs does not mean they have a base, or believe that they can win.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Look at all the support against Iraq War, for indicting bankers, against Patriot Act and domestic spying, and for Single-payer. "Leaders" had to be dragged to gay-marriage. Third Way has been blind to the building anger from below...that's what's fueling Sanders surging #s.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)Light that truth bomb and run for cover! It's the 4th tomorrow!
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)There, corrected that for you.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Still, I don't think that Webb or Chaffee are going to have much impact at all. Almost all party insiders support Clinton. Attacks from her right aren't going to make any difference in the primaries.
JI7
(89,249 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Wont tell us which right wing policies they adhere to. Ask them and you get silence.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)being a Republican candidate does not in fact tell us that the GOP's African American support is bigger than people think. It just tells us that Carson's ego is bigger than people think.
I don't think either of these guys will get much traction. Clearly they are far less popular than either Bernie or Hillary.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)A majority of Democratic voters DO NOT identify as moderate or conservative.
What utter nonsense.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I think it wants to believe it matters when it's really merely a decent-sized slush-tank for disaffected Republicans that will return to being Republicans as soon as they come to understand that the Democratic party isn't gong to follow them off a cliff in pursuit of an increasingly right-wing illusion of centrism at a time Americans are liberalizing on both economic and social issues slowly.
Personally, I'd like to do them the favor of a slight push out through the tent-flaps.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)We'll see
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)in the Democratic party. I wonder whether there are
many moderate republicans, who were turned off by
Bush and the Teaparty people, who voted as Dems.