But, I don't see an electoral path to victory for Republicans. At this point we can nominate a ham sandwich and have a nice picnic at the White House.

our problem is choosing a candidate who will bring people to the polls and help us start shifting congress. And for all her strong points, I don't think Hillary can do that.

Now Bernie on the other hand is definitely a game changer.

All part of the equation.

Trying to picture which solid blue states you think will go to one of the gopper clowns.

Massachusetts, Vermont, Rhode Island and California, and DC.

If the other side nominates a whackadoo like Cruz or Trump, then I'd give Illinois, New York, Oregon, Washington and Maryland to Bernie.

vote Republican I don't see that happening. What I do see is people lining up to vote for the first time.

It's so stupid to say "Bernie/Clinton is going to lose x amount of states". I bet 95% of Democrats will vote for the Democratic nominee. I want Bernie and I think he can win it all. The naysayers will have to be convinced of it but then again, the same was said of Obama.

I had no preference between Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama, because of that I didn't even bother doing the primary thing. This time around I have a clear preference for Bernie, so I will vote for him in the primary.

Personally, just a chance scares me, considering the consequences of a loss.

I like a lot of his ideas, maybe most, and would love to see us pivot toward Scandinavia. But, I don't think 50% of voters will feel like that.

vote for Martin O'Malley should he win the nomination.

The ability to tell the future.

When did they aquire this great ability? Must have been sometime after the '08 primaries.



Trash thread.

It depends on the circumstances and the nature of the prediction.

.. could they be any more ridiculously obvious?

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He isn't a registered Democrat either from what I've read. So by your standards your record is already soiled.

Many states such as Vermont and Illinois, among others, don't have party registration for individuals. Bernie has stated he is running for president as a Democrat, so he is a Democrat.

So you can support Bernie without any 'concern'. Do it. FEEL THE BERN!!!

Election candidate

What precisely is the point of posting flamebait?

Do you seriously think it puts you in a positive light?

And that there are a great many Hillary voters who would vote Republican rather than for Sanders.

then it would be the fault of Bernie Sanders for not attracting them.

I don't think that would happen.

But if Hillary voters don't support Bernie, then it's Bernie's fault. You have to earn people's votes. You can't just expect people to vote for you.

Votes are EARNED, not given.

Just my two cents.

So which is it?

Because if anyone hasn't "earned" Democrat's votes it's the one whose policies are centrist and corporate and hawkish.

Liar.

I've encouraged people to vote for the nominee....whoever it is. Bernie, Hillary, O'Malley....it doesn't matter.

But I made no post saying people have to vote for Hillary in the GE.

Lies.

You have no link to backup your assertion either.

I'm pretty sure it was you I had the exchange with, saying that if Hillary was the nom that we had to vote for her, since she was the Dem. If that's true, same thing should apply to Sanders.

If I'm wrong about you being the one who had said that I apologize.

I was trying to be nice after your last rude post, but now I'll just say it.

Fuck off.

You're the one that initially replied to me and made shit up.

Now you're telling me to fuck off because I caught you in a lie that you can't back up?

Too fucking funny.

....and then perhaps I wouldn't have called you a liar.

Back up your claims.

What part of

You are wrong.

Not only did I say you're wrong, but you can't even back up your claims with a link.

So you made it up, can't back it up and then thought I wouldn't defend myself?

Boy were you wrong.

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I'll never forget when HRC dismissed Obama in 2008, telling Bill Richardson that Obama had no chance to win the general election. It was going along with Bill Clinton's assertion that Obama's campaign was really just a "fairy tale".

It seems when they can't win on the issues they just go with the electability mantra. It wasn't too long ago that people thought Hillary Clinton was too polarizing to win a presidential election.

you will wake up and Bernie will sink back down in the polls to his pre-announcement levels.

(though conservatives will always call the Democrat a socialist)

Obama was actually quite cozy with the Wall Street crowd in 2008.

If the Sanders crowd thinks that Adelson and the Kochs spent a lot to defeat Obama in 2012, they ain't seen nothing yet were Sanders to be the candidate Adelson and the Kochs would spend $2 billion to beat Sanders, and nobody would be able to stand up to that. Not even Sanders with his $100 contributors (cute as that is).

that at some point in time, even people of the ilk of Adelson and Kochs will get tired of spending their money to sway political course in America for the reason that they will realize much money is to be made even in a socialistic state. They may already be regretting spending all that money. They have no idea where it will eventually end up.

Conservatives will always call the Democrat a socialist - never a truer statement ever made. And most conservatives are conservative because they hallucinate being wealthy some day. My neighbor was against the "death tax" because he thought that maybe one day he might have a lot of money. And the other neighbor who really did have the money did not have a will to leave it to anyone because he was so greedy. A blank look on his face when I said, "John, you are going to be dead anyway. Start giving it away to things you believe in right now." I still think his face is bland this three years past.

This election cycle with a past cycle. Apples and oranges. Bernie is no Obama, and we are not in a recession, and HRC has since performed well as SOS. Voters have changed. The voters have different needs.

I hope we get rain soon.

I wasn't really familiar with you before you left, but I'm glad you are back.

His floor is 220 electoral votes.

Can he actually win is really unknown though.

Alot of people are still afraid of the term socialist and Scott Walker will make sure to scare the swing voters in the suburbs.

Those states are BLUE. If Bernie Sanders can beat the most formidable opponent in the entire race, Hillary Clinton, it will be a cake walk in the general. Especially since the Republicans have nothing but embarrassing hucksters.