2016 Postmortem
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How's Bernie looking against the Klown Kar riders these days? The only head-2-heads I've seen lately were Hillary vs the GOPers.
Response to MrScorpio (Original post)
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MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Have you seen any Bernie vs GOPer polls yet?
It would be nice to see some numbers.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Watch out you are about to be labeled a concern troll by some...
Totally logical I know.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)I'm sure that I can handle myself.
It would be nice, however, if some of us could ask simple questions without being labeled.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)Good to see you.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)New Day ... Same Vigilance ... Different attitude.
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)Response to MrScorpio (Reply #2)
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MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Answer I got was that Bernie doesn't have enough name recognition yet for those polls to take place.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Now that he's getting ever closer to HRC, though, hopefully that will change and we WILL start seeing that added to the polling.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)I'm glad that someone else noticed the absence of cross party polling.
I think that they should get on the ball.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)but now that Bernie's getting close to her in a couple of early primary states, they should include him, at the least. They might as well ask about all the Dems running, because they could be the next ones to have their polling numbers jump from Nowheresville to "in the running".
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)(the first time in a long time) and they asked a series of questions including:
" paraphrasing) How likely are you to vote for Candidate Bernie Sanders in a General Election contest against {Republican candidate}."
I thought it was interesting because the poller asked about republicans that haven't announced, like gulliani and $i$ter $arah, the Alaskan grafter.
So I'm pretty sure the pollers are asking the question and have the answer, they just aren't releasing it ... or, more likely, the media is not releasing it.
I suspect doing so, would damage the media's horse race narrative.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)But if I am running for office I rather have one hundred dispassionate voters voting for me than twenty five passionate ones...
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)The huge Republican field can make for a long interview as it is just polling Hillary vs each member of the Clown Car.
If people haven't even heard of Bernie, Bernie vs Clown Car polling might just try the patience of the people being polled.
Did they cover all of the Republican Candidates when you were polled?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and some that haven't declared.
And the four candidates on the Democratic side.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)was it like a high speed interrogation or did it take a while?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)but they caught me at a good time ... and, I'm generally receptive to these folks, as I've done phone polling before.
Spazito
(50,453 posts)Good point! Horse races bring viewers which brings ratings, ratings bring advertising dollars. It's all about the dollar and not about educating the public on the candidates in any substantive way.
Good to see you!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I can see several ways releasing the results would kill the narrative ... none of them good for Bernie.
Spazito
(50,453 posts)yet CNN has been giving Bernie a lot of coverage. A perfect example of the 'horse race' mentality. Cover Bernie on their network but not in their poll outside of questions about Dem candidates. They don't even take the chance of asking the question in case they did have to release the results, imo.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)When pollsters have their poll results ready, they release them.
"The media" then covers them or not. Or to be more accurate, different media outlets make different decisions about what they're going to cover and what they're going to emphasize.
And in this information age, there is no suppressing poll results. If CBS News won't post them, Salon will or Huffington Post or Joe Schmo on DU will.
I think pollsters didn't take the Sanders candidacy seriously until recently.
I'd like to see those numbers, too.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I said the media are manipulating the release of those results.
"The media" then covers them or not. Or to be more accurate, different media outlets make different decisions about what they're going to cover and what they're going to emphasize.
Exactly.
Not necessarily true ... polling organizations are CONTRACTED to conduct the polling. They do do the polling and hope that someone will purchase it.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Response to onehandle (Reply #8)
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onehandle
(51,122 posts)At this time in 2007 Obama was within 10 points of Hillary in some polls.
Hillary and liberal organizations behind her have out raised Bernie 7 to 1.
Bernie is over 40 points behind.
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MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)At this point, I haven't picked any Dems for the primary yet.
But whomever is nominated, I'm backing. The general holds the biggest interest for me. I'm ALL about beating Republicans.
FSogol
(45,525 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)And Biden, too, supposedly. I just can't see that... He's run numerous times and not gotten the nomination. But if Obama goes on the stump for any of these folks... Game's over, IMO.
FSogol
(45,525 posts)democrat in the WH.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Hoping his numbers start showing up to quench my own curiosity
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Sorry MrScorpio, but polls only get sighted when they favor the views of those sighting them.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Because at this point, I'm only interested in seeing the overall picture.
Bernie fever is all over the place. So, by now the polling should show how he'd fare in the big show.
I really not as interested in the primaries as I am the general. Any one of ours beats all of theirs.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I honestly think from personal interactions, that Senator Sanders has a much broader appeal than anyone else running, from either party.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)i.e., poll are NOT cited (unimportant) when they DON'T favor the views of those NOT citing them?
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)Walker has the lead on all non-Hillary Democrats both nationally and in every state polled, although Bernie seems to be a bit closer. than Webb, O'Malley, and Chafee. In every case the problem is that the rest of the candidates aren't very well known, even among Democrats. Take the national level polling for instance: in a Clinton-Walker matchup, Hillary leads by 4 and takes 83% of voters who supported Obama in 2012. In a Sanders-Walker matchup, Sanders trails by 8 because he only takes 58% of voters who supported Obama in 2012. 37% of Obama voters don't know enough about Sanders to have an opinion on him, and 31% are not sure if they would vote for him against Scott Walker. My feeling is that once they learn who he was, most of those Democrats would fall in line.
With all that said, here's where we are right now:
Walker leads Sanders nationally 40-32:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/06/walker-bush-rubio-lead-gop-field-clinton-still-dominant.html#more
Walker leads Sanders in Ohio 40-30:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/06/kasich-leads-field-in-ohio.html
Walker leads Sanders in Michigan 39-35:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/06/trump-near-top-of-pack-in-michigan-clinton-leads-gop-field.html#more
Walker leads Sanders in Kentucky 42-29:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/06/trump-on-the-rise-but-could-give-clinton-landslide.html
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Gawd damn, that's some scary shit here in Michigan.
It's like the people here haven't paid any attention at all at what's going in next door in Wisconsin.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts).... Vs Bernie? Most people outside of WI are not tuned into their politics. Of the few that have any knowledge about walker, a large swath have a very unfavorable view of Walker. So it surprising that Bernie trails someone who is relatively unknown and so well disliked.
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)I missed those polls. 40 to 32 nationally that is interesting.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)He is getting close enough that I would expect to see someone attempt to do one soon. It is one of those things that would hold no significance now. It would be more a snapshot in party polled and name recognition. I think right now, while it would be interesting to see, in order to come up with anything close there would be a moe of 20 points. A statistical failure.
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)I doubt that Sanders would do well in such polling
LWolf
(46,179 posts)But then, I'm not a big follower of polls. This was posted here; not polls, but...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=423455
FarPoint
(12,437 posts)Can't find Bernie anywhere?