2016 Postmortem
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Bernie is holding his own and frustrating Tapper. I love Bernie. He's straight shooting and telling it like it is & getting in all his positions. Go Bernie!!!!!
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Interview from him with the press.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)appalachiablue
(41,177 posts)Darn.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)That is the problem with these shows. Too short interviews and too many commercials for viagra
appalachiablue
(41,177 posts)global1
(25,272 posts)He led off with a question about McCaskill's comments about him wanting Bernie to go after Claire. He didn't go there. He listed his stances on issues instead. Tapper brought up the gun control issue. Bernie didn't bite and answered very sanely with his position. Every trap Tapper tried to lay for Bernie - Bernie gave a straight answer. He didn't waver or get sucked in. He tells it like it is and that is refreshing. Bernie's smart. Not responding with focus group answers. Just the honest truth and that is what is working for him because he's unlike any typical politician. That is what appeals to those of the American People that have been fed B.S. all these years and that is what is going to continue to happen as more People get to know Bernie.
brooklynite
(94,745 posts)It's not always obvious which "he" you're talking about...
madokie
(51,076 posts)I'm so happy that he is in this race to win. I so want to see him in the white house making decisions for us the 99% that I've already gave to his campaign three times and will continue as time goes on. Only a twenty spot each time but its better than none at all. The man is like a breath of fresh air, solid as granite and honest as the day is long. I like him real well.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)When you have a 50-year history of activism and honesty you don't need focus groups.
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)as those are Bernie's initials.
PatrickforO
(14,592 posts)I do like the way Bernie deflects inane media 'gotcha' questions designed to generate faux controversy to enhance ratings, and instead talks about real issues and his stances on them.
SamKnause
(13,110 posts)Bernie did an excellent job as usual.
They will not drag him into the gutter,
no matter how hard they try.
He has the truth on his side.
He is respected and admired for being consistent
and truthful.
Who will vote for Bernie ???
Nobody But The People !!!!!!!!!!
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)and Bernie?
daleanime
(17,796 posts)next president of the United States.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)Bernie made the false equivalence argument that there are "extremes" on both sides of the gun control debate and he's for a "middle ground."
Explain to me why Bernie's NO vote on the Brady Bill was a "middle ground" and why the Brady Bill was "extreme."
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)The one thing Bernie can not touch is a gun free America...They can get him on that.. I suggest he stands his ground and shoots for the America is not ready to rid itself from all guns at this point, but must toughen up the laws controlling firearms so they do not get into the hands of criminals and nuts..
I suggest you start a thread on this.. Its important and I think this issue could devastate a Dem vic in2016..if Bernie is nominated..
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)He has explained his vote on the Brady bill.
He also has earned a rating of "F" by the NRA. If his opinion that he is in the "middle" is a lie, then why wasn't he rated a "C" by the extremist NRA organization?
SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)rather than the federal level.
He later changed his view on that detail and voted yes on background checks. He also voted to maintain the 3 day waiting period when they tried to shorten it to 1 day.
SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)He evolved? I thought that was a dirty word around here...
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)changing your vote doesn't necessarily mean you believe you were wrong.
For example, one could continue to believe that background checks would be best managed at the state level and see the potential for a modified bill. But down the road realize that a modified fill is not forthcoming, so decide to vote for them at the federal level because inefficient or less effective background checks are better than no background checks at all.
He agreed with the principal of the bill all along.
SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)LordGlenconner
(1,348 posts)When that word is used in relation to Bernie, it shows his brilliance and his ability to focus, lock down on a topic and learn from people.
Therefore, it is okay for Bernie to evolve.
When other pols evolve it shows their weakness and inability to process things in the same way Bernie does.
Because he's Bernie.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)The common sense efforts at gun control in this country, and certainly any of the proposals that have come before Bernie in the Senate, are anything but extreme. Also dishonest was his rationalization for his vote in 2005 to shield gun manufacturers from lawsuits by gun violence victims like those brought by the families of the victims of the 2012 Aurora, Colorado theater shooter:
"If somebody has a gun and it falls into the hands of a murderer and the murderer kills somebody with a gun, do you hold the gun manufacturer responsible? Not any more than you would hold a hammer company responsible if somebody beats somebody over the head with a hammer. That is not what a lawsuit should be about," Sanders said Sunday.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/05/politics/bernie-sanders-gun-control/index.html
That is a very dishonest description of that law...and the victims' lawsuits. The lawsuits don't allege manufacturers should be liable just because a gun"falls into the hands of a murderer." The lawsuits allege manufacturer liability based on the manufacturer knowing they were selling to an irresponsible retailer, or selling a product that is designed for mass killing, as opposed to hunting or self defense. That 2005 law gave special immunity to gun manufacturers that hammer manufacturers do not have. Indeed, no other manufacturers have this immunity. What this immunity does is allow gun manufacturers to continue selling guns to retailers they know or should have reason to know are selling guns to criminals and the mentally ill. Sadly, there are a minority of gun retailers who don't give a shit and are the source for most of the guns used in gun violence. And greedy gun manufacturers are more than happy to keep supplying them. That 2005 law (the PLCAA) allows gun manufacturers to keep doing that with impunity:
Before the PLCAA, most states imposed some form of tort liability on gun makers and sellers. If a gun manufacturer made an assault rifle that could slaughter dozens of people in a few seconds, for instance, one of its victims might sue the company for negligently making a gun that could foreseeably be used for mass murder. If a gun seller sold a gun to a customer without performing any kind of background checkand then the buyer opened fire on the subwayhis victims might sue that seller for negligently providing a gun to a mentally unstable person. The standards in each state differed, but the bottom line remained the same: Victims of gun violence and their families could recover financially from the people and companies who negligently enabled gun violence.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/05/bernie_sanders_on_guns_vermont_independent_voted_against_gun_control_for.html
arcane1
(38,613 posts)He said there are extremes on both sides.
Big difference.
SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)Bernie, as you note, suggests that the reason nothing has been done on gun control is because of "extremes on both sides." I can certainly think of a lot of proposals by the NRA-funded congressmen that were and are extreme, but not by those on the "other side."
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I advise listening again in context.
SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)I'm listening...
arcane1
(38,613 posts)SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)I am aware of no national gun control organizations and certainly NO ONE in Congress has been calling for "banning all guns." None of the proposals that have EVER been in front of Bernie in Congress have ever called for "banning all guns."
So again, what "extreme" proposal is Bernie talking about that has actually stopped Congress from passing common sense gun control or even made "discussion difficult"?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)You are trying too hard to spin this into a smear of some sort.
Try listening to the interview instead of mining it for "gotcha" moments.
SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)After all, he votes against wars (when his vote won't make a bit of difference)...and then he votes FOR the funding to support those wars! Over and over and over again..!
No realpolitik there, now, is there...?
It's only an issue for excoriation if Someone Other Than The DU Favorite does these sorts of things....