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Jake Tapper Is Trying Hard To Rattle Bernie.... (Original Post) global1 Jul 2015 OP
Context? Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #1
Just on CNN Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #2
Thank you. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #3
Just caught a couple mins. B. looked good. How long was it? Jake is on Trump now. appalachiablue Jul 2015 #5
Not long, fought like 5 min Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #6
Up now in GD-P: CNN VIDEO of Sanders reply to Tapper's question on income inequality & taxes today appalachiablue Jul 2015 #31
Tapper Just Interviewed Bernie On CNN... global1 Jul 2015 #7
Can I suggest you avoid using "he"? brooklynite Jul 2015 #9
And that is why Bernie will win this thing madokie Jul 2015 #11
Thank you for the summation. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #14
You might avoid using the acronym B.S. GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #15
Getting the issues out on CNN is a start, that's for sure. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #26
Bernie was calm and precise. SamKnause Jul 2015 #4
who is Jake Tapper stonecutter357 Jul 2015 #8
Host of CNN State of the Union.... daleanime Jul 2015 #12
Nailed it! MissDeeds Jul 2015 #13
I think it repeats at noon. CNN State of The Union. nt Snotcicles Jul 2015 #10
Tapper did rattle Bernie. He got Bernie to lie. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #16
you are correct.. busterbrown Jul 2015 #17
an opinion is not a lie. talk about false equivalence... magical thyme Jul 2015 #18
How did he explain his no vote on the Brady Bill? nt SunSeeker Jul 2015 #19
he felt that background checks could best be managed at the state level magical thyme Jul 2015 #20
So he admitted he was wrong? SunSeeker Jul 2015 #21
not necessarily magical thyme Jul 2015 #22
So he still thinks the Brady Bill was "extreme"? nt SunSeeker Jul 2015 #23
Evolve isn't a dirty word when it comes to Bernie LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #40
Disagreeing with you makes him a liar? Sorry, not buying that crap. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #24
His lie is the false equivalence claim--that US gun control efforts are "extreme." SunSeeker Jul 2015 #25
He doesn't say 'US gun control efforts are "extreme."' That's a lie right there. arcane1 Jul 2015 #28
What gun control proposal that has been in front of Bernie in the Senate is "extreme"? SunSeeker Jul 2015 #29
It wasn't about proposals. He said there are extremes in opinions, making discussion difficult. arcane1 Jul 2015 #32
Again, what "extreme" gun control "opinions" have made discussion difficult? SunSeeker Jul 2015 #33
Totally banning all guns, that's my guess. arcane1 Jul 2015 #34
No one in Congress has been proposing that. That is an NRA conspiracy theory. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #35
I never claimed someone in congress proposed that. Neither did Sanders. You're making that up. arcane1 Jul 2015 #36
I did listen. Again, what "extreme proposals" are making "discussion difficult"? SunSeeker Jul 2015 #37
Oh, leave the poor fellow alone, now.... MADem Jul 2015 #38
LOL nt SunSeeker Jul 2015 #39
Here's the video of that portion. Where's the lie? Sounds sensible to me. madfloridian Jul 2015 #27
See my post 25 above. nt SunSeeker Jul 2015 #30
 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
6. Not long, fought like 5 min
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 09:40 AM
Jul 2015

That is the problem with these shows. Too short interviews and too many commercials for viagra

global1

(25,272 posts)
7. Tapper Just Interviewed Bernie On CNN...
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 09:43 AM
Jul 2015

He led off with a question about McCaskill's comments about him wanting Bernie to go after Claire. He didn't go there. He listed his stances on issues instead. Tapper brought up the gun control issue. Bernie didn't bite and answered very sanely with his position. Every trap Tapper tried to lay for Bernie - Bernie gave a straight answer. He didn't waver or get sucked in. He tells it like it is and that is refreshing. Bernie's smart. Not responding with focus group answers. Just the honest truth and that is what is working for him because he's unlike any typical politician. That is what appeals to those of the American People that have been fed B.S. all these years and that is what is going to continue to happen as more People get to know Bernie.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
11. And that is why Bernie will win this thing
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 10:06 AM
Jul 2015

I'm so happy that he is in this race to win. I so want to see him in the white house making decisions for us the 99% that I've already gave to his campaign three times and will continue as time goes on. Only a twenty spot each time but its better than none at all. The man is like a breath of fresh air, solid as granite and honest as the day is long. I like him real well.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
14. Thank you for the summation.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 11:19 AM
Jul 2015

When you have a 50-year history of activism and honesty you don't need focus groups.

PatrickforO

(14,592 posts)
26. Getting the issues out on CNN is a start, that's for sure.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 04:14 PM
Jul 2015

I do like the way Bernie deflects inane media 'gotcha' questions designed to generate faux controversy to enhance ratings, and instead talks about real issues and his stances on them.

SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
4. Bernie was calm and precise.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 09:34 AM
Jul 2015

Bernie did an excellent job as usual.

They will not drag him into the gutter,

no matter how hard they try.

He has the truth on his side.

He is respected and admired for being consistent

and truthful.

Who will vote for Bernie ???

Nobody But The People !!!!!!!!!!

SunSeeker

(51,726 posts)
16. Tapper did rattle Bernie. He got Bernie to lie.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 12:45 PM
Jul 2015

Bernie made the false equivalence argument that there are "extremes" on both sides of the gun control debate and he's for a "middle ground."

Explain to me why Bernie's NO vote on the Brady Bill was a "middle ground" and why the Brady Bill was "extreme."

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
17. you are correct..
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jul 2015

The one thing Bernie can not touch is a gun free America...They can get him on that.. I suggest he stands his ground and shoots for the America is not ready to rid itself from all guns at this point, but must toughen up the laws controlling firearms so they do not get into the hands of criminals and nuts..

I suggest you start a thread on this.. It’s important and I think this issue could devastate a Dem vic in2016..if Bernie is nominated..

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
18. an opinion is not a lie. talk about false equivalence...
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 02:23 PM
Jul 2015


He has explained his vote on the Brady bill.

He also has earned a rating of "F" by the NRA. If his opinion that he is in the "middle" is a lie, then why wasn't he rated a "C" by the extremist NRA organization?
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
20. he felt that background checks could best be managed at the state level
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 02:30 PM
Jul 2015

rather than the federal level.

He later changed his view on that detail and voted yes on background checks. He also voted to maintain the 3 day waiting period when they tried to shorten it to 1 day.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
22. not necessarily
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 02:54 PM
Jul 2015

changing your vote doesn't necessarily mean you believe you were wrong.

For example, one could continue to believe that background checks would be best managed at the state level and see the potential for a modified bill. But down the road realize that a modified fill is not forthcoming, so decide to vote for them at the federal level because inefficient or less effective background checks are better than no background checks at all.

He agreed with the principal of the bill all along.

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
40. Evolve isn't a dirty word when it comes to Bernie
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 01:01 PM
Jul 2015

When that word is used in relation to Bernie, it shows his brilliance and his ability to focus, lock down on a topic and learn from people.

Therefore, it is okay for Bernie to evolve.

When other pols evolve it shows their weakness and inability to process things in the same way Bernie does.

Because he's Bernie.

SunSeeker

(51,726 posts)
25. His lie is the false equivalence claim--that US gun control efforts are "extreme."
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 04:09 PM
Jul 2015

The common sense efforts at gun control in this country, and certainly any of the proposals that have come before Bernie in the Senate, are anything but extreme. Also dishonest was his rationalization for his vote in 2005 to shield gun manufacturers from lawsuits by gun violence victims like those brought by the families of the victims of the 2012 Aurora, Colorado theater shooter:

"If somebody has a gun and it falls into the hands of a murderer and the murderer kills somebody with a gun, do you hold the gun manufacturer responsible? Not any more than you would hold a hammer company responsible if somebody beats somebody over the head with a hammer. That is not what a lawsuit should be about," Sanders said Sunday.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/05/politics/bernie-sanders-gun-control/index.html

That is a very dishonest description of that law...and the victims' lawsuits. The lawsuits don't allege manufacturers should be liable just because a gun"falls into the hands of a murderer." The lawsuits allege manufacturer liability based on the manufacturer knowing they were selling to an irresponsible retailer, or selling a product that is designed for mass killing, as opposed to hunting or self defense. That 2005 law gave special immunity to gun manufacturers that hammer manufacturers do not have. Indeed, no other manufacturers have this immunity. What this immunity does is allow gun manufacturers to continue selling guns to retailers they know or should have reason to know are selling guns to criminals and the mentally ill. Sadly, there are a minority of gun retailers who don't give a shit and are the source for most of the guns used in gun violence. And greedy gun manufacturers are more than happy to keep supplying them. That 2005 law (the PLCAA) allows gun manufacturers to keep doing that with impunity:

Because the PLCAA deals with tort law—not a topic of great interest for most Americans—it didn’t stir much outrage when first passed. But the act’s primary purpose is as simple as it is cold-blooded. Every state imposes liability on manufacturers who are negligent in their production and sale of products. If I crash my Prius because its accelerator malfunctions, I can sue Toyota for negligently manufacturing a faulty pedal. If my child dismembers himself with a blender at Sears, I can sue Sears for negligently leaving that blender within a child’s reach. If I get stabbed by a teenager with a switchblade, I might be able to sue the pawn shop owner who illegally sold a knife to a minor.

Before the PLCAA, most states imposed some form of tort liability on gun makers and sellers. If a gun manufacturer made an assault rifle that could slaughter dozens of people in a few seconds, for instance, one of its victims might sue the company for negligently making a gun that could foreseeably be used for mass murder. If a gun seller sold a gun to a customer without performing any kind of background check—and then the buyer opened fire on the subway—his victims might sue that seller for negligently providing a gun to a mentally unstable person. The standards in each state differed, but the bottom line remained the same: Victims of gun violence and their families could recover financially from the people and companies who negligently enabled gun violence.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/05/bernie_sanders_on_guns_vermont_independent_voted_against_gun_control_for.html
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
28. He doesn't say 'US gun control efforts are "extreme."' That's a lie right there.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 04:26 PM
Jul 2015

He said there are extremes on both sides.

Big difference.

SunSeeker

(51,726 posts)
29. What gun control proposal that has been in front of Bernie in the Senate is "extreme"?
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 04:37 PM
Jul 2015

Bernie, as you note, suggests that the reason nothing has been done on gun control is because of "extremes on both sides." I can certainly think of a lot of proposals by the NRA-funded congressmen that were and are extreme, but not by those on the "other side."

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
32. It wasn't about proposals. He said there are extremes in opinions, making discussion difficult.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 04:43 PM
Jul 2015

I advise listening again in context.

SunSeeker

(51,726 posts)
35. No one in Congress has been proposing that. That is an NRA conspiracy theory.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 05:01 PM
Jul 2015

I am aware of no national gun control organizations and certainly NO ONE in Congress has been calling for "banning all guns." None of the proposals that have EVER been in front of Bernie in Congress have ever called for "banning all guns."

So again, what "extreme" proposal is Bernie talking about that has actually stopped Congress from passing common sense gun control or even made "discussion difficult"?

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
36. I never claimed someone in congress proposed that. Neither did Sanders. You're making that up.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 05:06 PM
Jul 2015

You are trying too hard to spin this into a smear of some sort.

Try listening to the interview instead of mining it for "gotcha" moments.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
38. Oh, leave the poor fellow alone, now....
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 01:03 AM
Jul 2015

After all, he votes against wars (when his vote won't make a bit of difference)...and then he votes FOR the funding to support those wars! Over and over and over again..!

No realpolitik there, now, is there...?

It's only an issue for excoriation if Someone Other Than The DU Favorite does these sorts of things....

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