2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDont be fooled by HRC fake, opportunistic progressive stance.
This cant be real. Remember the first Clinton presidency was marked by financial deregulation. She obviously will pursud what her husband initiated.
To be fair she is using Bernie's rethoric to minor him. Period. Besides why doez she needs to do so? Isnt she enough enjoying money, networks and global limelight?
Bernie is sincere, he proved it in the Senate. He is the nominee needed.
Go Bernie!!!!!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)and it's pretty obvious that his ginormous personality is way too powerful for her to stand up to.
So he is definitely going to constantly try to impose his will on her and he will eventually wear her down.
She might be capable of making decisions without him but she lacks the strength of character to do so.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)are too feeble-minded and emotional to think for themselves?
Dump that shit back in the eighteenth century where you found it.
CherokeeDem
(3,709 posts)riversedge
(70,310 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Of course she isn't under his thumb. I don't think she is really progressive, but I don't think that's the reason.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I think she has her own ideas and policies. I do not agree with a lot of them. But what you wrote is just plain wrong.
I too would like to see you edit or delete your post.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)Gobsmacking to see that shite on this forum. It's like the Onion.
Cha
(297,723 posts)Bernie would be so proud of you!
Or not.. more than a couple of Bernie's supporters have called you to self-delete your ignorant, sexist post."
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)But that doesn't matter. Your post is offensive on several other levels.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)There are a number of things she lobbied for as First Lady that were rather less than a stellar progressive stance.
When you claim the good things, you get the bad things too.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Some politicians are always progressives, while others are progressives only when speaking to certain listeners.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)I guess that depends on whether one is more interested in addressing the content or just taking a cheapshot at the messenger.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)than it is to read that and pretend it's not a mess.
Also, mind your business!
99Forever
(14,524 posts).. minding the OP's business.
Hypocrite much?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Have fun!
99Forever
(14,524 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)mylye2222
(2,992 posts)Anything to divert from OP's topic....
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Your emotions and feelings? That's all that it is... No context, no facts.
You made it personal when you wrote the OP.
Also you know in the past people have called you on your writing style, why even give them the chance? All you have to do is run it through spell check, or have someone check the post, send it to a DU buddy.
If you feel this strongly about an issue provide context and don't let people derail your writing style, but put some effort in up front.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)With poor unfounded assumptions.
The making af some great fertilizer, with no use for anything else
Cha
(297,723 posts)I just love him.
You, too, Justin~
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)is a form of cathartic therapy for certain people. Helps that it's anonymous and free.
FSogol
(45,529 posts)Response to FSogol (Reply #114)
Post removed
Metric System
(6,048 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)... Shoot the messenger.
Never seen that before!
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Just needs a little more effort.
Maybe they could send posts to you first? It would be helpful to them and they wouldn't instantly loose some credibility, and be judged by many on here.
Again just a suggestion but it seems like a great idea and solve to the problem.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Neither do I, for that matter.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)And that's also totally okay with me.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)"To Serve and Deflect"
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)..You and I are going to have to take him/her out behind the barn and shoot um...
(Damn...talk about nit-picking)
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)And so hastily composed it must bring tears to English writing teachers everywhere.
Yes, folks should do not be fooled by anything she says..... it is all just an act....got it.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Campaign talk talk isn't so reliable.
A lesson taught to me by another "progressive" candidate.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Your mind us made up already that you won't be voting for her.
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)And Bernie is the one who can achive this need. Not Hillary.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)There shouldn't be drunken war about the path forward, there should be sober discussion.
Take a chance on Bernie and revolution, knowing what awaits if that fails,
or a continuation of the undeniable reformation that has occurred in 8 years of President Obama?
I simply counsel the longer route, as does Obama and Clinton.
Failure to have a Democrat in the WH is not an option.
Lose the last branch of federal government and you can kiss revolution or reformation or anything other than Christfukuistan good-bye.
Keep an eye on the Prize:
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... We the People aren't going to settle for a less crappy of two crappy candidates this time around?
You should.
NO MORE CAPITULATION.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)It also is likely going to get some of my peers to be paid for the time they work over 40 hours.
Sometimes "capitulation" as you call it, really isn't.
The blind Obama hate is over the top.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Screw the rest of us.
Got it.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Also...
Did you even read my post?
Cha
(297,723 posts)hilarious. A couple of things..
snip//
What a series of days in American life, full of savage mayhem, uncommon forgiveness, resistance to forgiveness, furious debate, mourning, and, finally, justice and grace. As President Obama led thousands of mourners in Charleston, South Carolina, in Amazing Grace, I thought about late 2013 and early 2014. Obamas Presidency was surely dwindling, if not finished. His mood was sombre, philosophicalwhich is good if you are a philosopher; if not, not.
Obama described himself to me then in terms of his limitsas a relay swimmer in a river full of rapids, and that river is history. More than a few columnists believed that Obama was now resigned to small victories, at best. But pause to think of what has happened, the scale of recent events.
On Thursday, the Supreme Court (despite an apocalyptic dissent about pure applesauce and interpretive jiggery-pokery by Justice Scalia) put an end to years of court cases and congressional attacks against the Affordable Care Act, which means that millions of Americans will no longer live in a state of perpetual anxiety about health costs.
On Friday, the Supreme Court (despite a curiously ill-informed dissent about Kalahari, Aztec, and Han mating rites by Chief Justice Roberts) legalized same-sex marriage nationallya colossal (and joyous) landmark moment in the liberation of gay men and lesbians.
MOre..http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/ten-days-in-june
petesouza
✔ ?@petesouza
Read my post on when the President heard about yesterday's scotus decision on ACA: http://go.wh.gov/SPVhe2
11:08 AM - 26 Jun 2015
667 667 Retweets 740 740 favorites
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/06/26/tweets-of-the-day-30/
The Colors of the White House speak for themselves! Congratulations to you and Millions of our Gay Brothers and Sisters, Agschmid and to all those who will benefit from ACA/AKA/Obamacare!
"..some of my peers to be paid for the time they work over 40 hours."
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I don't consider Hillary Clinton a "crappy" candidate. Majority of Americans agree with me, not you.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)intelligence...proven. Every language develops different parts of the brain.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)But cool OP...
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)But right?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)husbands stand for and do but I can assure Hillary Rodman Clinton is not one of those wives. A comment you can not back up for sure.
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)Hillary owes everything to Bill and Bill owes everything to Hillary.
She would never have the networks she benefits around her if her husband hadnr be President. They work both hand in hand with the same goal: Another Clinton Presidency.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)She must get something out of this marriage.
Like power.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Are quiet capable in the US with or without a spouse.
Lisa D
(1,532 posts)independently of their husbands. So lines like: "she obviously will pursue what her husband initiated" sounds like republican-speak to me.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)In any case, Hillary's own personal political history shows she's no Progressive.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)The thread does seem more than a bit self referential but I defend the poster's right to make it.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)eom
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Of Clinton's eight years of peace and prosperity. It seems like HRC's distracters have to trash anything positive that has the Clinton name anywhere near it.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Gloria
(17,663 posts)Exasperating nonsense by another supporter who does not know squat about her long background, historical context of many political fights, etc etc.
What a total waste of time this is turning into...it does not show much respect even to Sanders, who is not inclined to sink as low as some of his fans seem to do.
tritsofme
(17,403 posts)On Sun Jul 5, 2015, 04:55 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Oh, puh-leeze!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=426204
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Insults the poster as someone who doesn't know squat and is a total waste of time. This is insulting as hell.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jul 5, 2015, 05:11 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: sometimes the truth hurts.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh well this is primary season and Op can't expect to throw stuff out there as "opinion" without being called on for it. Got to toughen the skin up a bit more or state facts.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
I was #4, these hurt feelings primary season alerts are getting ridiculous.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)That'll show those Republicans!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)eom
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)nuff said
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I've heard there are disguises when they're over.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)I enjoy reading mylee's posts. They provide a great window into what Senator Sanders' supporters are thinking.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)Reminds me of the old saw about Lincoln being told Grant was a drunk and said in light of his success he would like what he's drinking.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)as per community double standards
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)The jury system here is biased towards Sanders supporters.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)about the democrat I support. I am sure the admins get it so I'm not pissed.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)but i got the hide.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)and that still doesn't surprise me.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Violet_Crumble
(35,977 posts)Is that a bogus hide?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)He couldn't back up the claim. He apologized and i got the hide.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)He apologized but one of my detractors couod not pass up the opportunity and i got a bogus hide.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Did you alert?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Violet_Crumble
(35,977 posts)You took yr chances with that one. If you don't want yr posts hidden, don't go around saying 'You are a liar' or things like that. It seems pretty simple to me.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Violet_Crumble
(35,977 posts)I see quite a few DUers running round accusing other DUers of targeting them, trying to drive them off, etc. Most people either ignore that sort of thing and move on, or swoop in and call them a liar and end up with a hidden post. There's nothing bogus about the hide you got and it should have been a hint to you to cool down a bit before posting...
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Good bye to you.
Violet_Crumble
(35,977 posts)There was nothing bogus about that hide you were attempting to pass off as Bogus Hide #1467. There's nothing unusual in DUers getting a hidden post if they start something with 'You are a <insert liar, dishonest, or other personal attack here>. No matter how much I think someone is lying, I've never called anyone at DU a liar and I've never gotten a hide for anything like that. I've only ever had two hides at DU3 and I didn't try and blame anyone else for them and I learnt from them and haven't had any since. Seriously, that hide should have been something you learnt from.
Have a lovely day, Justin
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)And that it is ok to make bogus accusations against us with no evidence and when you fight back you get. Hide.
That is what you just showed me now.
Violet_Crumble
(35,977 posts)See how it works? No, probably not I guess. I don't give a shit who supports who. If a post is a blatant attack like ur hidden one was ill vote to hide it. I bet you'd vote to hide a similar post if it wasn't from a Hillary Clinton supporter.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I opt out of a third of jury requests.
Violet_Crumble
(35,977 posts)I don't opt out of juries if I like the person whose been alerted on. I judge them all the same I only opt out if I can't find the time or the opportunity to make a witty jury comment.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Good day to you.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)for using the 4 words, "You Better Believe It."
That's it. No more, no less, just "you better believe it."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6829173
This place is just gone...
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Biased jury system.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)I seriously doubt Sen. Sanders would want criticism censored on his behalf.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)That's really all that's necessary to set up a mood that she's some sort of populist.
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)We all know who HRC associates with... Her current liberal speech doesnt match her true beliefs and wishes.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)eom
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)I am sincere...She doesn't seem to transfer her animus for our candidate to us as some of his supporters do.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Like every other true Conservative.
JustAnotherGen
(31,907 posts)And to a part of the electorate - I'm part of it -
That makes them both intolerable in the Primaries to me.
I want someone in the WH without long relationships with members of the House or Senate.
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)With no thoughts of their own, or just Hillary Clinton?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Because Obama was the first coming of the anti-Christ, but didn't complete the mission. Hillary will be elected to fulfill the will of satan. And I thought Cruz was at bat for that position.
Beware the Coming of Clinton:
And the angels will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
~ Matthew 13 : 42 NLT
"Whoever does not fall down and worship will immediately be thrown into a blazing furnace."
~ Daniel 3 : 6 NIV
sheshe2
(83,929 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)so that she'll regulate them if elected.
People will buy into the spin though. They know it works on the ill-informed.
Its sad.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)be buying the Same bs rhetoric from TPP/Austerity Dems that anticipate - Hope for Our "Short Term Memory Loss" as they seek Reelection to the House and Senate in 2016.
I am finished with Dems who Prove by their Votes that they Agree with the Worst Decision By Roberts SCOTUS -"Corporations Are People My Friend".
Be prepared for all kinds of "cute campaign promises" from these pols...they haven't begun to try and convince Our Democratic Base to Vote Against Our Own Best Interests...yet Again.