2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumListen to Sanders and be afraid -- very afraid....this from a blowhard in MN
Hurrah for Bernie Sanders. He is running for president, is attracting big crowds, getting major media attention, is unusually candid in articulating his beliefs, and is therefore instructing us about progressivism. It is a reckless, economically baffled, rich person-hating, disruptive, freedom-stifling pile of endangerment.
Thats important to know in a nation that could well be deciding next year whether to travel further in that direction, and who could better alert us than the outspoken Sanders?
An independent U.S. senator from Vermont, Sanders describes himself as a democratic socialist, signaling to some, perhaps, that he is radically distanced from the congressional Democrats he buddies with. But as astute observers have pointed out, his ideological enthusiasms are usually much the same as those of the typical liberal. When he speaks up, we are largely hearing shared aspirations.
Recently, he attracted widespread comment in jabbering about how awful it was to have 23 kinds of deodorants and 18 kinds of sneakers in an America where children go hungry. Understand, first off, that while there is no perfect means for keeping childhood hunger at bay, there are all kinds of effective programs in place and the Census Bureau tells us instances of it are exceedingly rare.
Understand next that those deodorant and sneaker companies help keep prices down and quality up through competition while also providing jobs and wealth combating the chance of hunger in the first place. Nothing in the history of humanity has ever worked as well as a free market to alleviate poverty. Progressives like Sanders nevertheless dont trust it and want to outright eliminate some of its most profoundly salvation-giving features.
For instance, he wants to end just about every big foreign trade agreement the country has. This trade saves consumers billions upon billions of dollars and is absolutely crucial to our well-being. Sanders thinks it has cost us manufacturing jobs, and it has cost some even as it creates more new ones. Manufacturing has zoomed up with only brief occasional dips in this country and most of the lost manufacturing jobs over the decades have been lost because of technology.
Full article here:
http://www.winonadailynews.com/news/opinion/columnists/other/jay-ambrose-listen-to-sanders-and-be-afraid--/article_36652ec1-3bf5-56f6-9803-b914cc65e825.html
madokie
(51,076 posts)written by kathleen parker. I won't link to it because I just can't do it. Oh its there to be read but if anyone wants to read it they'll have to google it themselves
The hell with that, against my better judgment here is the article I'm referring to. Read at your own risk. Can't say I didn't warn you.
http://journalstar.com/news/opinion/editorial/columnists/kathleen-parker-trump-sanders-entertaining-for-now/article_4505ca25-ed49-5b7d-b840-9414dd83e4e2.html
I have to confess I couldn't/ wouldn't finish the article as I just couldn't do it. too much tripe for one setting.
Darb
(2,807 posts)conflating it with all Democrats. I wonder who came up with that idea. I also wonder who said it would happen. Well I'll tell you. All of us that have a modicum of political wisdom and understand our adversary said it would happen. And every single Repugnant strategist in the States came up with the idea at the exact moment Bernie announced.
While the Sanders supporters are being true to their beliefs and are showing up with enthusiasm at his speeches, they are unfortunately giving the super-funded, depraved yet highly intelligent soicopaths on the right all the ammunition that they need to conflate the entire Democratic Party with his socialist message, whether it be truly socialist or not. They will paint Hillary and O'M and anyone else with some kind of bullshit socialist/communist brush and flood the airwaves with it. Pounding day after day that the Democrats want socialism/communism.
I like Bernie a lot. He's a straight shooter. He's right about most issues. But he is also a big, fat sitting duck. And now Hillary and O'M are looking a lot like ducks too.
frylock
(34,825 posts)The right is going to attack ANY candidate that comes out of the primaries. They are going to label Clinton as a socialist, just as they have done with Obama. Why should we let the right determine who is safe enough for us to vote for?
I personally don't believe we should worry about how palatable our candidate should be to tea-partiers that will never vote for a Democrat in the first place.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)We HAVE to get over the mentality that those people can be wooed with common sense, or decency. That was President Obama's number one mistake, thinking that these people could be reasoned with.
They can't. They're selfish, vindictive, petty-minded assholes. And even when you talk to them calmly, with logic and facts they will tell you to fuck off and call you names because they're selfish, vindictive, petty-minded assholes.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)No matter who wins the primary, they will be labeled a pinko commie and the greatest threat to humanity since the black plague.
villager
(26,001 posts)Among many other happy Republican turd-flung labels...
Man, if only he was....
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Caretha
(2,737 posts)....more importantly those children have a large option of underarm deodorant to choose from
Now what is more important?
Nitram
(22,813 posts)...sold it in a jar and they did no advertising, just printed a label on a home PC? But, then, how would top executives and shareholders make a fortune?
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Is there a brand shortage of deoderant in the UK that I am not aware of? Sweden? Norway? Finland?
This is all so much bunk and fluff. We are supposed to be so much better than this bullshit.
How?
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Don't they count everything?
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)The Goliath continues to attack our David. Gather more stones from the riverbed and we shall prevail.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)a kennedy
(29,672 posts)sorry.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)think
(11,641 posts)He's a writer for the Independence Institute:
In that position, he wrote editorials and other opinion pieces distributed to his corporations newspapers as well as to some 400 other newspaper clients of the Scripps Howard News Service. He focused on governmental policies and questions concerning the direction of American culture.
http://www.i2i.org/jayambrose.php
Which has strong ties to ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council)
Another senior fellow, Rob Natelson, is member of the International Relations Task Force. He is listed as an "advisor" to the Federal Relations Working Group on the agenda from the ALEC Nation and State Policy Summit in 2010, where he spoke about convening an Article 5 convention .[19] At ALEC's 38th Annual Meeting in 2011, Natelson gave another presentation to the Federal Relations Working Group titled "Wheres the Line? How States Protect the Constitution," along with Representative Ken Ivory (UT).[20]
Ben DeGrow, a public policy analyst at the Independence Institute, represents the think tank on on ALEC's Education Task Force. He sponsored amendments to ALECs Open Enrollment Act and gave a presentation entitled Collective Bargaining Transparency at the 2010 States and Nation Policy Summit.[21]
The institute also has ties to ALEC through its membership with the State Policy Network which itself is a member of ALEC.
Please see SPN Ties to ALEC for more.
Full posting:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Independence_Institute
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Man of Distinction
(109 posts)Naturally, our moronic ex-Attorney General, now Colorado Springs mayor, Suthers declined to prosecute Caldera for what was provable voting fraud.
II is already known as a right-wing loon think tank that gets crazier by the minute.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)of us are concentrating on the online campaigns through the social media. But this guy has taken a small town newspaper and written his trash there. We need to remember to watch our local newspaper for the opinion page and be ready to answer back. There are still people who do not take part in social media but instead read the newspaper. The editorial page is the way to fight this guy.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)slave labor in other countries is good because we get cheap shit in return and we can work for less money and longer hours and it's great that all that stuff is coming in cuz then we have the opportunity to work two or more jobs to pay for the cheap stuff coming in and pay sky rocketing rents and student loans. And it's okay that some children go hungry cuz free markets are great.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Bernie Sanders is a sledgehammer to those balls.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)That doesn't mean we need to link to it.
Caretha
(2,737 posts)The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)supporter, but if Sanders gets the nomination, I'll vote for him. His positions and decency remind me of the late and wonderful Sen. George McGovern, who along with Jimmy Carter, were the most decent men ever to run for President. Hillary isn't so decent, and I gotta respect someone who comes to a street fight armed. I hope she buzz saws the Republicans. That will require a major voter registration drive, which I hope starts on now, even though it may hurt her some in the primaries.
She is the one with the fight in the belly that Obama put aside.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)it seemed extreme and silly. We want the voters to think that Bernie wants austerity when it comes to consumer choices? Because that's how it came across.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Senator Sanders was talking about what is possible and what we should expect. In talking about the multitudes of available products Sanders was trying to call on us to start prioritizing what whas important and to consider that maybe we should stand up and try to accomplish more.
This article you are reposting is pure free market crap. The only thing that has actually elevated people out of poverty and created middle classes is healthy doses of socialism applied to markets.
QC
(26,371 posts)We hear more politely phrased versions of his arguments here all the time.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)What bullshit that is.
LeftOfWest
(482 posts)Got it.
Yes I read it.
Got it.
Noted and marked.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)"Manufacturing has zoomed up with only brief occasional dips in this country and most of the lost manufacturing jobs over the decades have been lost because of technology."
No, lost because they only pay workers in Vietnam and other places about 60 cents an hour.