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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:35 PM Jul 2015

If HRC's supporters are so sure she's got it locked up...

Last edited Fri Jul 10, 2015, 12:55 AM - Edit history (1)

...why are they so obsessed with repeatedly announcing that she's got it locked up?...

And why are the so seemingly fixated with trying to force Bernie out of the race before the primaries when, if she does have t locked up, there would be no actual reason to do and no actual good would come of Bernie not being in the race?

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If HRC's supporters are so sure she's got it locked up... (Original Post) Ken Burch Jul 2015 OP
Unrec. Agschmid Jul 2015 #1
you haven't seen retrowire Jul 2015 #7
They are allowed to have thoughts, feelings and ideas so yes I've seen that. Agschmid Jul 2015 #13
I have seen many Hillary posters John Poet Jul 2015 #38
Yes these things happen in a contested election. Agschmid Jul 2015 #42
It goes both ways MJkcj Jul 2015 #55
I've never said that myself, John Poet Jul 2015 #61
So we're not allowed an opinion? leftynyc Jul 2015 #23
I had no doubt the Golden State Warriors would dispatch of the Cleveland Cavaliers... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #32
A voice of reason. nt sheshe2 Jul 2015 #21
Hillary's in a tough spot with regard to her image. morningfog Jul 2015 #2
She's triangulated herself into a corner. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #5
And are just a few of the reasons we don't Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #33
Hillary's supporters act more "entitled" than she does. John Poet Jul 2015 #39
Oh really ? ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #51
oddly enuff I have not seen any HRC supporters "trying to force" Bernie out of the msongs Jul 2015 #3
simply saying things like retrowire Jul 2015 #8
Nope. It's not. Agschmid Jul 2015 #14
Actually it is. RichVRichV Jul 2015 #62
Then those people are fools. Agschmid Jul 2015 #64
I guess we should give fox news a pass then RichVRichV Jul 2015 #65
Are you claiming that Bernie supporters leftynyc Jul 2015 #24
simple cosmicone Jul 2015 #4
Because they know she doesn't have it locked-up. n/t Smarmie Doofus Jul 2015 #6
Because some believe (erroneously) that it's "Hillary's turn" 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #9
And now W-S is intending to delay the debates for as long as possible.. Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #10
Hillary has been in office for 40 years? shenmue Jul 2015 #15
Evidence please? brooklynite Jul 2015 #17
You must have missed the "* = Tentative date, not confirmed" part. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #45
And I'll try again... brooklynite Jul 2015 #47
Not ONE single date has been set. Not one. Impossible to change something that doesn't exist. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #48
Posts like this give me flashbacks okasha Jul 2015 #20
And of course you have leftynyc Jul 2015 #25
We are this day 11 days into July. The schedule (*s notwithstanding) has two listed for Aug/Sep. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #46
You've made many assertions in your post, seemingly confusing opinion with fact. Metric System Jul 2015 #60
To keep us from embarassing ourselves MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #11
Her campaign did say that they were worried about Bernie Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #12
If Sanders' supporters are so sure he's going to beat HRC... brooklynite Jul 2015 #16
Because every week AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #19
A high percentage of them say... AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #18
Unmitigated bullshit leftynyc Jul 2015 #22
Well if Hillary wins the nomination Omaha Steve Jul 2015 #44
Damn right .... ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #52
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #58
I will always love those who leftynyc Jul 2015 #66
Unrec as it's painful to watch logic get slapped around like this. Nt NCTraveler Jul 2015 #26
Locking cbayer Jul 2015 #27
Unlocking - there is no longer host consensus on this. cbayer Jul 2015 #28
These are not the droids you are looking for. John Poet Jul 2015 #40
I believe she is favored, not a 100 percent sure thing. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #29
Bingo! 2banon Jul 2015 #30
For the same reason Sanders' supporters repeatedly announce pnwmom Jul 2015 #31
If Sanders's supporters are so sure he's got it locked up... zappaman Jul 2015 #34
The bookmarked threads/comments I have are priceless LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #35
If they allowed bumping of old threads this board would be a riot/nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #36
Is this what they mean by flame bait? McCamy Taylor Jul 2015 #37
No. There was nothing inflammatory here... Ken Burch Jul 2015 #49
The HRC camp SmittynMo Jul 2015 #41
Because 2008 n/t n2doc Jul 2015 #43
I've never said she has it locked up. ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #50
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #59
At this point she is the favorite gwheezie Jul 2015 #53
All fair enough observations. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #54
If Bernie is nominated its because he had more support gwheezie Jul 2015 #57
I agree with you about Barbara Lee. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #63
I do t believe I've seen anyone call for MineralMan Jul 2015 #56

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
13. They are allowed to have thoughts, feelings and ideas so yes I've seen that.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 12:08 AM
Jul 2015

But that isn't "forcing someone out" and to pretend it is, is bull.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
38. I have seen many Hillary posters
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:32 AM
Jul 2015

on Facebook and elsewhere, making comments to the effect that
Bernie shouldn't even be running.... to the point that it's pissing me off.

Of course they can't actually "force someone out",
but they are doing their best to demoralize his supporters.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
42. Yes these things happen in a contested election.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:56 AM
Jul 2015

I'm sure the other side feels exactly the same. But as you said no one is forcing any one out.

MJkcj

(242 posts)
55. It goes both ways
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 08:03 PM
Jul 2015

I don't see anyone trying "to force Bernie out"

There are lots of Bernie supporters, on facebook and elsewhere, and even here in DU that are "doing their best to demoralize" the Hillary supporters. So there is that.

I personally have liked Bernie a lot and don't bash him. I just happen to think Hillary is the better candidate and I choose to support her in the primary. May the best man or woman win. And then I will support the Democratic nominee in the general. Meanwhile I see Bernie supporters say - on DU and elsewhere - that if Bernie doesn't win they would rather write in his name on the general election than vote for Hillary.

I don't bash Bernie, but a lot of his supporters are "pissing me off"

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
23. So we're not allowed an opinion?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:13 AM
Jul 2015

Compared to the mountain of shit you pour on Hillary supporters EVERY FREEKING DAY. Are you not claiming that Hillary cannot win? Is that considered trying to FORCE Hillary from the race? This has gotten pathetic.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
32. I had no doubt the Golden State Warriors would dispatch of the Cleveland Cavaliers...
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 12:08 PM
Jul 2015

I had no doubt the Golden State Warriors would dispatch of the Cleveland Cavaliers and I wasn't shy about sharing my lack of doubt with anybody that would listen.

That doesn't mean I wanted the Cavaliers out of the Finals or NBA.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
2. Hillary's in a tough spot with regard to her image.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:38 PM
Jul 2015

Not so much with the race. If she ignores Bernie, she looks aloof and entitled. If she challenges or attacks him, she looks worried and desperate. If she co-opts his language and positions, she looks opportunistic.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
5. She's triangulated herself into a corner.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:40 PM
Jul 2015

That's pretty easy to do when you change direction so often.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
33. And are just a few of the reasons we don't
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 12:10 PM
Jul 2015

have any scheduled debates yet. She's trying to run out the clock, with the help of the DNC, of course. I sure am glad they're staying out of it until the voters decide who the Democratic candidate is going to be.

msongs

(67,409 posts)
3. oddly enuff I have not seen any HRC supporters "trying to force" Bernie out of the
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:38 PM
Jul 2015

race. mere words do not meet that description. so what else is being done in the secret space I don't know about?

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
8. simply saying things like
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:43 PM
Jul 2015

"he can't win" is the same as giving him a losers trophy as the race begins.

that's attempting to get him out of the race.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
62. Actually it is.
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 10:31 PM
Jul 2015

It's called poisoning the well. Keep repeating something long enough and people will start believing it and not take his candidacy seriously. It's a concerted attack to try and kill his candidacy before it gains steam.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
64. Then those people are fools.
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 10:36 PM
Jul 2015

Seriously it's their vote, if they are that easily influenced then that's on them.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
65. I guess we should give fox news a pass then
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 10:43 PM
Jul 2015

since it's the fault of the dupes that watch it that they lie constantly.

A lie is a lie no matter how many or few fall for it. Doesn't make the lie right. Democrats should be better than that. We fight with facts and truth. We shouldn't need to resort to lies and smears.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
24. Are you claiming that Bernie supporters
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:14 AM
Jul 2015

don't make the same exact claim hundreds of times a day on this site? Seriously?

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
4. simple
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:39 PM
Jul 2015

It saves HRC'S cash and prevents unnecessary bruising that would result in fodder for the clown that wins the nomination. So whilst we wish HRC was unopposed, we aren't trying to "force" anyone out.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
9. Because some believe (erroneously) that it's "Hillary's turn"
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:51 PM
Jul 2015

and after all, she's got the Wall $t. moneyed Titans in tow for $2 Billion+

not a very convincing argument in my moral Universe, but it apparently
has some traction with some.

 

Man of Distinction

(109 posts)
10. And now W-S is intending to delay the debates for as long as possible..
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 12:00 AM
Jul 2015

for less exposure to Bernie, hoping that Bernie berns out, but he will never berned out - he didn't bern out 40 years ago, he won't bern out today. Clinton is in very serious trouble, and highly recommend to her that she step aside due to her Third Way status, and widely rejected by military veterans for her IWR vote, widely rejected by many progressives and disaffected voters who sees Clinton as the status quo, no difference between other Republicans and Democrats, again, due to her Third Way status.

Bernie can and will unify Americans together to work as one. M$M needs to knock off the entertainment shit and start getting serious about giving voters proper educations for each candidate, even the clowns on the R side, to demonstrate who's the best choice...

Answer will be Bernie EVERY time.

They keep on dismissing Bernie, and believe me, polls don't matter, because it's massively undersampled, and pollsters are just mailing it in for Clinton.

Sorry, I'm upset right now with the Establishment, and I'm considering resigning my Democratic Party membership if Clinton is the candidate at the end. Why do PEOPLE WANT THE SAME FUCKING BULLSHIT FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS that has resulted in doing absolutely nothing but killing the middle class and shifting to the right, and giving us "trickle down" (in other words, pissing on us) economy. It hasn't worked for us, and we need ACTUAL change, and I do believe Bernie can bring the noise.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
45. You must have missed the "* = Tentative date, not confirmed" part.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:35 PM
Jul 2015

Every single one of them has an * next to it.

Helluva try though.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
48. Not ONE single date has been set. Not one. Impossible to change something that doesn't exist.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 05:55 PM
Jul 2015

Willing to bet that there isn't a debate in August, contrary to what's "tentatively" scheduled?

okasha

(11,573 posts)
20. Posts like this give me flashbacks
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 02:30 AM
Jul 2015

to the Baptist revivals of my pre-teens. I have this irresistible urge to break into "Just As I Am."

Your assertions are based on blind faith. I have seen no evidence to support any of them. So no, I won't be coming to Jesus, er, Bernie, anytime soon, nor will other Hillary supporters.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
25. And of course you have
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:16 AM
Jul 2015

some evidence for the claim that WS is intending to delay the debates. Where is it?

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
46. We are this day 11 days into July. The schedule (*s notwithstanding) has two listed for Aug/Sep.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:38 PM
Jul 2015

20 days from August 1st and NO information on WHEN in August a debate is scheduled?

brooklynite

(94,581 posts)
16. If Sanders' supporters are so sure he's going to beat HRC...
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 12:47 AM
Jul 2015

...why are they so obsessed with repeatedly announcing that he's going to beat HRC?

This is a political blog. We talk about politics.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
18. A high percentage of them say...
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 12:54 AM
Jul 2015

"Bernie's the better candidate, but I'm voting for Hillary".

Need they say more?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
22. Unmitigated bullshit
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:11 AM
Jul 2015

I don't see ANYONE here fixated on forcing Bernie out of the race. The Bernie supporters are starting to really get on my nerves with this kind of bullshit.

Omaha Steve

(99,653 posts)
44. Well if Hillary wins the nomination
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:30 PM
Jul 2015

You will come to love us Bernie group D's I'm sure.

I've posted several times IF she gets the nomination I'll support, work for, and donate time and $. Some things going on behind the curtain on DU are making that harder to say. Win the battle lose the war?

OS

ronnykmarshall

(35,356 posts)
52. Damn right ....
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 07:52 PM
Jul 2015

Always loved yous kids!

Hey, love the profile pic. Did you read about the Waldo tunnel in Marin is going to be named after Robin?

Response to ronnykmarshall (Reply #52)

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
66. I will always love those who
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:34 AM
Jul 2015

vote for the Democratic nominee and scorn those who throw hissy fits if their candidate doesn't win. Just as I did when Pres Obama beat out Hillary in 2008. I came immediately on board.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
27. Locking
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:15 AM
Jul 2015

Host consensus is that this is disruptive meta-discussion, which is forbidden in this forum.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
34. If Sanders's supporters are so sure he's got it locked up...
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 12:13 PM
Jul 2015

...why are they so obsessed with repeatedly announcing that he's got it locked up?...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251430954

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
35. The bookmarked threads/comments I have are priceless
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 12:25 PM
Jul 2015

They will be so fun to look back on at some point next winter.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
41. The HRC camp
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:45 AM
Jul 2015

knows damn well he is a threat. He doesn't have name recognition yet. He's getting there, slowly but surely. Hell, my GOP friends are noticing him now. Awesome!!! He's a smart man. Once his mind was made up to run, he knew it was an uphill battle. But he started early enough because he knows name recognition was going to be his biggest hurdle. Give it time. The HRC camp knows damn well how popular he has become since announcing, and believe me, they are freaking out. No one has brought in crowds like him. No one has jumped from 2% to 30% approval in such a short time.

No one is like BERNIE SANDERS. NO ONE!!!

ronnykmarshall

(35,356 posts)
50. I've never said she has it locked up.
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 07:48 PM
Jul 2015

I don't think she does.

So, I ask a question to Bernie supporters (and I know I'm as risk of being reported) ... why is it that on ANY pro-Hillary thread the Bernie folks have to come in and shit on it?

I sure as hell won't piss on anything thread for Bernie.

Thanks so much in advance for y'all's replies.

Response to ronnykmarshall (Reply #50)

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
53. At this point she is the favorite
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 07:58 PM
Jul 2015

That could change. Hillary isn't a sure thing and neither is Bernie. I don't see anyone trying to force the other out. I'm glad Hillary has people to run against. It will make her a better GE candidate and if she isn't,she won't be nominated. I trust dems are going to pick the best person to keep the WH.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
54. All fair enough observations.
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 08:02 PM
Jul 2015

Like your Shirley Chisholm quote, btw. In hindsight, we should have nominated her for president in '72. She'd have done no worse than McGovern and might well have done better.

When we do have a female president(be it in '16 or some other year, because it will happen at some point relatively soon)it should be someone who really carries on the spirit of Shirle Chisholm or Bella Abzug...both of whom were among my political heroes in the Seventies.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
57. If Bernie is nominated its because he had more support
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 08:31 PM
Jul 2015

I'm not going to get angry. I supported Hillary in 08 by a smidge more than Obama so when Obama won I was happy and when I watched the Obama 08 campaign I thought he was the better pick. The right thing happened.
There are several dems I'd prefer over Hillary or Bernie or OMalley but they aren't running, so I have to stick to who is. Me, if Barbara Lee was on the ticket, I'd be thrilled.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
56. I do t believe I've seen anyone call for
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 08:04 PM
Jul 2015

Senator Sanders to withdraw. If you have, perhaps you could post a link. It's pretty typical for supporters of a candidate to believe that candidate will win. Many Sanders supporters have said just that. Why should supporters not support their candidate?

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