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Has Sanders even said his pro gun votes were a mistake? nt (Original Post) arely staircase Jul 2015 OP
Since they weren't a mistake I don't see why he should say they were. n/t Autumn Jul 2015 #1
Hmm. You don't think opposing the Brady Bill was a mistake? DanTex Jul 2015 #35
They weren't mistakes. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #2
So white people w/guns is good? Nt arely staircase Jul 2015 #5
Legal versus illegal use is what he is referring to. Nt hack89 Jul 2015 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #12
Interesting that you're assuming gang member = minority. n/t winter is coming Jul 2015 #15
Dog whistle nt arely staircase Jul 2015 #16
Yeah, but not Bernie's. n/t winter is coming Jul 2015 #20
So inner city gang members is only a dw when gopers use it? arely staircase Jul 2015 #22
Any law abiding citizen with a gun is good, GGJohn Jul 2015 #18
Funny Bernie uses dog whistles. Nt arely staircase Jul 2015 #19
Funny that's the only response you have. GGJohn Jul 2015 #24
they were not Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #3
His votes were very consistent with actual liberalism as opposed to party politics pipoman Jul 2015 #4
It is a public safety issue? arely staircase Jul 2015 #6
It is an urban issue, it just happens a lot of Dems are urbanites.. pipoman Jul 2015 #7
Why should he? TheCowsCameHome Jul 2015 #8
Has Hillary SamKnause Jul 2015 #9
I know that was a big deal on fox news nt arely staircase Jul 2015 #10
Which is where many of these posters go for their TPs LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #25
Sanders' views appear to fall into the wide mainstream on the issue. tritsofme Jul 2015 #13
They weren't pro gun votes ibegurpard Jul 2015 #14
And what mistakes would those be? GGJohn Jul 2015 #17
Fox news was all over that story. Nt arely staircase Jul 2015 #21
And? GGJohn Jul 2015 #23
No he has not. Not a fan of his votes pn guns. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #26
Why should he say something just to pander? tularetom Jul 2015 #27
Why should he apologize for an NRA F-rating? HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #28
So...you support gun victims having to pay lots of money losing lawsuit after lawsuit? jeff47 Jul 2015 #29
An individual should not be able to sue a gun maker TeddyR Jul 2015 #30
And that's what Sanders actually voted to stop in one of his "pro-gun" votes. jeff47 Jul 2015 #32
Gotcha TeddyR Jul 2015 #33
Yes, I'm sure that gun violence victims' families appreciate being forbidden by law from suing the DanTex Jul 2015 #36
He's not wrong... pipoman Jul 2015 #37
Yeah, stand up for those poor corporations. They need all the help they can get. DanTex Jul 2015 #38
See post 37 pipoman Jul 2015 #39
You apparently are able to type. Might I suggest Google? Android3.14 Jul 2015 #31
I don't like his gun positions but I do really like that he isn't a typical pol, waffling /pandering lostnfound Jul 2015 #34
I like politicians like that Mnpaul Jul 2015 #40
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
2. They weren't mistakes.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:04 AM
Jul 2015

Last week he made a very clear distinction. People carrying guns in Vermont are completely different than gangs. Not sure why this wasn't addressed more. I made an op on it. It is the way they fight for their love of guns.

"He said there's a major difference between Vermont, a rural state with little gun control where hunting is a way of life, and cities like Chicago, where guns are used by gangs."

He used it as a wedge between white and black. A failed thought process that is all too common.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251429664

Response to arely staircase (Reply #5)

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
18. Any law abiding citizen with a gun is good,
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 10:10 AM
Jul 2015

no matter what color they are.
Funny you should bring up race.
Very interesting.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
4. His votes were very consistent with actual liberalism as opposed to party politics
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:51 AM
Jul 2015

Gun control isn't liberal, it is party politics.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
7. It is an urban issue, it just happens a lot of Dems are urbanites..
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 09:11 AM
Jul 2015

Rural Dems usually don't favor gun control, and urban rethugs often do...it isn't a public safety issue in rural areas, it might be in urban areas

SamKnause

(13,107 posts)
9. Has Hillary
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 09:22 AM
Jul 2015

apologized for LYING about being under

sniper fire in Bosnia ????

Bernie has nothing to apologize for.

tritsofme

(17,378 posts)
13. Sanders' views appear to fall into the wide mainstream on the issue.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 09:42 AM
Jul 2015

Not sure for what he would apologize.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
17. And what mistakes would those be?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 10:08 AM
Jul 2015

Has Hillary ever apologized for lying about being under sniper fire in Bosnia?

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
27. Why should he say something just to pander?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:24 AM
Jul 2015

They weren't a mistake.

You might ask his opponent why her pro gun poses in 2008 were a mistake.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
28. Why should he apologize for an NRA F-rating?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:29 AM
Jul 2015

I think Sanders moderate position on gun-control is quite sensible, and more likely to effect measurable change than the extremist position some have staked out.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
29. So...you support gun victims having to pay lots of money losing lawsuit after lawsuit?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:33 AM
Jul 2015

Or are you unware of what he actually voted for?

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
30. An individual should not be able to sue a gun maker
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:44 AM
Jul 2015

Because some criminal shot that individual with the gun maker's legally produced product.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
32. And that's what Sanders actually voted to stop in one of his "pro-gun" votes.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:50 AM
Jul 2015

Some gun control groups decided to try a campaign of SLAPP lawsuits, since cowardice among Democrats meant they were getting nowhere. They knew the individual lawsuits would fail - Colt isn't liable for a murder using their guns, just like Ford isn't liable for a drunk driver using their cars.

The bill blocked those lawsuits, so they'd be tossed at the beginning of the lawsuit instead of after victims had spent $BIGNUM on attorneys losing the lawsuit.

But it also meant the SLAPP campaign was not possible.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
36. Yes, I'm sure that gun violence victims' families appreciate being forbidden by law from suing the
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 12:32 PM
Jul 2015

manufacturers and dealers that put the guns in the hand of the people who shot them.

Seriously, how hard is it to just say Bernie is great but he's wrong about guns? It's getting absurd...

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
37. He's not wrong...
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 09:31 AM
Jul 2015

Idiots who think one should be able to sue the maker of any legal device or gadget for the criminal misuse of the item are just too thick to understad the absolute simplicity of what is being discussed...they are wrong every time they speak of this....

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
38. Yeah, stand up for those poor corporations. They need all the help they can get.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 09:33 AM
Jul 2015

But, of course, I expect that from you. The dissonant thing is hearing it from Bernie Sanders and his "progressive" supporters, who claim to be concerned about corporations having too much power in DC.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
31. You apparently are able to type. Might I suggest Google?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:45 AM
Jul 2015

I couldn't care less, but I am curious if you actually care to find out for yourself.

lostnfound

(16,179 posts)
34. I don't like his gun positions but I do really like that he isn't a typical pol, waffling /pandering
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 12:18 PM
Jul 2015

At least we know where he stands.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
40. I like politicians like that
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 11:27 AM
Jul 2015

Jesse Ventura did that too. While I didn't agree with many of them, he did tell us what his beliefs were and not just what people wanted to hear.

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