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OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 10:06 AM Jul 2015

Politico headline: Bernie defends Jeb's 'longer hours' comment

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-jeb-bush-longer-hours-comment-react-119948.html?ml=tl_1_b

Bernie Sanders on Friday defended Jeb Bush’s remarks that Americans need to work longer hours, acknowledging that Bush was “absolutely correct” if he was referring to the need for more full-time jobs than part-time jobs.

“Well, of course we need full-time jobs rather than part-time jobs, but to suggest that people have got to work harder —Chris, here’s the fact: People in the United States of America today are working the longest hours of a people of any major industrialized countries,” Sanders said in an interview on CNN’s “New Day” with Chris Cuomo.

Bush came under fire from his presidential race rivals, including Hillary Clinton and Sanders, for his comments late Wednesday, which reminded some of Mitt Romney’s “47 percent” moment.
But Bush quickly clarified that he was referring the millions of people who want full-time employment and can’t find it, and has found some success in defusing the situation.

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ETA: I have no problem with Sander's opinion on this topic.
Informational post only, not a smear.




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Politico headline: Bernie defends Jeb's 'longer hours' comment (Original Post) OKNancy Jul 2015 OP
I know it is not yours, but TM99 Jul 2015 #1
Yes. He corrected Jeb. He didn't defend him. underpants Jul 2015 #3
What he did was give bush an easy out liberal N proud Jul 2015 #11
Hardly. TM99 Jul 2015 #15
Agree 100%, but an eyeball catcher as we see. Politco must do anything for hits. appalachiablue Jul 2015 #82
Bush had already done that. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #28
Yeah LittleBlue Jul 2015 #14
What a train wreck of a headline. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #2
He didn't "defend" Bush's remarks. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #4
I think there is a bigger fredamae Jul 2015 #5
Horrible headline brush Jul 2015 #6
Thats the headline of the article at Politico. Agschmid Jul 2015 #7
You don't have to use their headline brush Jul 2015 #23
And candidates have to figure out how to appeal to people who don't read past the headline. Agschmid Jul 2015 #24
So it's Bernie's fault the author framed their piece as they did? bluedigger Jul 2015 #34
Not what I said. Agschmid Jul 2015 #36
Sorry, I thought you created the OP brush Jul 2015 #42
It is a bullshit headline Cosmocat Jul 2015 #84
Jeb Bush is going to have a hard time cleaning up his obvious contempt for the average American. Jefferson23 Jul 2015 #8
He's a bizarrely bad candidiate Cosmocat Jul 2015 #85
You have an odd definition of "defend". jeff47 Jul 2015 #9
I didn't write this article OKNancy Jul 2015 #10
You decided to post it. You do realize you don't have to do that, right? jeff47 Jul 2015 #13
Oh good grief. OKNancy Jul 2015 #16
Edited as you were replying. jeff47 Jul 2015 #19
Now that gives ME a chuckle madokie Jul 2015 #31
Ohh , I see artislife Jul 2015 #54
Clickbait. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #29
Politico's attempt Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #12
This is a bullshit thread title Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #17
LOL OKNancy Jul 2015 #20
Deep. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #21
Chill out.. I personally am glad to see the headline to know what spin is being put out there. lostnfound Jul 2015 #30
I'm chill, baby, I'm chill. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #32
Irony what a fickled thing. William769 Jul 2015 #40
Using a disingenuous headlines knowing that Snotcicles Jul 2015 #18
This OP is the very definition of "DISSEMBLING" 2banon Jul 2015 #22
link it - show readers my bad record in discussions OKNancy Jul 2015 #25
Yup. Agschmid Jul 2015 #26
People have biases too aspirant Jul 2015 #49
That they do. Agschmid Jul 2015 #50
No she's simply passing it along hootinholler Jul 2015 #27
I'm interested to see an example SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author OKNancy Jul 2015 #35
I agree...2banon artislife Jul 2015 #57
"Hillarian." Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #58
Lets make it happen! nt artislife Jul 2015 #59
just put 'Polictico.com'' in the headline Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #37
reasonable request OKNancy Jul 2015 #39
For the sake of clarity, Sanders did not in any shape or form DEFEND, July 9, 2015: mother earth Jul 2015 #38
jury results. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #41
I was rather stunned at #7 response. madfloridian Jul 2015 #43
I would not have worded that way. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #44
The post really shouldn't have been alerted on, but since it was... madfloridian Jul 2015 #45
Now that's OTT response, IMHO. Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #46
I'm not planning on it. madfloridian Jul 2015 #47
Yup..it was a jury of ok's peers artislife Jul 2015 #55
I don't get your post. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #62
read the jury responses artislife Jul 2015 #63
You're making assumptions. The jury got it right. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #64
That is a matter of opinion. nt artislife Jul 2015 #65
Can you point me to a tos violation? hrmjustin Jul 2015 #66
I didn't say it was a violation...just that she had a jury of her peers.. artislife Jul 2015 #67
We disagree. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #68
Duh! artislife Jul 2015 #69
It was a good decision. No reason to hide it. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #71
rolls eyes.... artislife Jul 2015 #72
. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #73
You were here in 2008? uppityperson Jul 2015 #74
No..I read here but belonged to other sites artislife Jul 2015 #77
I agree the OP should not be hidden. Its shining stink should remain for all to see. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #60
Whatever! hrmjustin Jul 2015 #61
Last quote stands Cosmocat Jul 2015 #86
i see politico is getting in on the action restorefreedom Jul 2015 #48
If you listen to the entire Bush quote, it's apparent what he's saying Vinca Jul 2015 #51
The headline is a misrepresentation of Sanders. Reason they have to work longer is to survive not still_one Jul 2015 #52
If it is an informational post only, not a smear... artislife Jul 2015 #53
Ask Politico. Agschmid Jul 2015 #70
Ask Politico... artislife Jul 2015 #75
Try again... Agschmid Jul 2015 #76
Lmfao! Politico hates Hillary. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #78
As they should. artislife Jul 2015 #79
You hatred of a Democrat is noted. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #81
that is a bullshit headline arely staircase Jul 2015 #56
So why did you change the post title? tularetom Jul 2015 #80
Well that was a creative way to interpret it... ibegurpard Jul 2015 #83
 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
1. I know it is not yours, but
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 10:11 AM
Jul 2015

wow that is shitty headline.

He doesn't agree with Bush at all. He is pushing for more full-time jobs for those who are still suffering from unemployment and underemployment.

underpants

(182,823 posts)
3. Yes. He corrected Jeb. He didn't defend him.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 10:18 AM
Jul 2015

Politico is a conduit for the Drudge report into MSM.

liberal N proud

(60,335 posts)
11. What he did was give bush an easy out
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 10:50 AM
Jul 2015

Bush can now deflect the heat by saying that he really meant to call for more "full-time" jobs.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)
4. He didn't "defend" Bush's remarks.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 10:28 AM
Jul 2015

He pointed out that people need full-time jobs (because we all know employers are intentionally keeping their employees' hours to 30 so they won't have to pay benefits). Bush just wants to wring more work out of us serfs to increase the wealth of the employers. Big difference.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
5. I think there is a bigger
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 10:40 AM
Jul 2015

issue; I'd love to ask #bushCo3-Do You Understand the Problem?
Which Part Time Job do "we" need to give Up to take full time work? There are Many, Many workers Working 15-20+ hours a Week at Two/Three+ different PT jobs = 60+ hours a week.
How much more does #bushCo3 want "us" to work? Or, under the reality of todays working poor...does he want us to work Less (and earn less) by quitting multiple p/t jobs to take a f/t 40 hr week paying crap? I'm confused by his babble....
Did #bushCo3 happen to mention "we" Need Higher wages not more work/hours?
#BushCo3 #Clueless #WagesTooLow

brush

(53,782 posts)
6. Horrible headline
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 10:41 AM
Jul 2015

Pls edit it to reflect what Bernie really meant.

It implies Bernie agrees with repug Bush.

brush

(53,782 posts)
23. You don't have to use their headline
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:21 AM
Jul 2015

Come on, you have to know that headline is misleading.

Many people don't read pass the head. Is that what you intended?

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
24. And candidates have to figure out how to appeal to people who don't read past the headline.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:29 AM
Jul 2015

Media bias exists that's for sure.

I don't know what you mean by "is that what you intended"...

I didn't write the Politico article nor did I create this OP.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
34. So it's Bernie's fault the author framed their piece as they did?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:51 AM
Jul 2015

Maybe if he starts wearing Armani they will stop calling him "rumpled", too.

brush

(53,782 posts)
42. Sorry, I thought you created the OP
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 03:49 PM
Jul 2015

I think the poster should have made sure that Bernie's position was differentiated from Bush's in the headline.

The way it stands it's misleading and inaccurate, apparently what right wing "Politico" intended.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
84. It is a bullshit headline
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:40 AM
Jul 2015

And, this is from a Bernie supporter who spends more time defending Hillary here because I can't tolerate the never ending stream of childlike Bernie supporter BS here ...

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
8. Jeb Bush is going to have a hard time cleaning up his obvious contempt for the average American.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 10:43 AM
Jul 2015

The Democrats need to add his statement to their list and hammer him with it repeatedly.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
85. He's a bizarrely bad candidiate
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:45 AM
Jul 2015

He does not have his brother's smarmy politician veneer people say the hate but tend to actually go for, and he isn't as smart as people want to assume because he looks geeky and he isn't his brother.

Jr. was a moron, but he was actually disciplined as a politician, and he let Rove handle him and took to what he was telling him.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
9. You have an odd definition of "defend".
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 10:46 AM
Jul 2015

Or were you unable to get all the way to the second sentence you quoted?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
13. You decided to post it. You do realize you don't have to do that, right?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 10:54 AM
Jul 2015

ETA: Also, this isn't LBN. You don't have to use Politico's headline verbatim.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
16. Oh good grief.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:01 AM
Jul 2015

I posted it because I agree with Sanders. Don't be so sensitive just because of my avatar.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
19. Edited as you were replying.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:02 AM
Jul 2015

This isn't LBN. You don't have to use the headline verbatim. In fact, you could say "Atrocious Politico headline: Berne defends Jeb's..."

But you've been around here plenty long to know that.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
17. This is a bullshit thread title
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:01 AM
Jul 2015

and it's not yours but you just couldn't wait to put that up there, could you? And from Right Wing Policito, too. But if that's the only way you can get people to click on/respond to your threads I guess that's worth something.

lostnfound

(16,179 posts)
30. Chill out.. I personally am glad to see the headline to know what spin is being put out there.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:36 AM
Jul 2015

There's two stories here, one is the content that Bernie is commenting on Jebs stupid position, but the other is that Politico frames it with such a bogus title.

We are all on the same side here, eventually.

 

Snotcicles

(9,089 posts)
18. Using a disingenuous headlines knowing that
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:02 AM
Jul 2015

50% of people won't read past it is a special kind of sleaze in a class all by itself.
What a fine and proud profession these cretins have mastered.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
22. This OP is the very definition of "DISSEMBLING"
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:07 AM
Jul 2015
Dissembling

I've seen you do this a number of times in discussions, but I've missed any prior attempt to actually do this in an OP subject line before now. This is beyond contemptible, imo.



OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
25. link it - show readers my bad record in discussions
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:29 AM
Jul 2015

You can't.

I didn't write the article. I posted it.


I wrote that I had no problem with Sanders opinion.

If a reader can't bother to read the article and only reads the headline, that is their problem, not mine.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
26. Yup.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:31 AM
Jul 2015
If a reader can't bother to read the article and only reads the headline, that is their problem, not mine.


Media sources have bias people should expect that.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
27. No she's simply passing it along
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:32 AM
Jul 2015

It's Politico's dissembling. She feels no obligation to remark on the quality of their headline, other than at the very end, I'm not smearing him, I agree with his comments, which still does not address the smear in the headline.

Response to hootinholler (Reply #27)

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
38. For the sake of clarity, Sanders did not in any shape or form DEFEND, July 9, 2015:
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:55 AM
Jul 2015

Directly from Bernie Sanders website on this very subject,
https://berniesanders.com/news/jeb-bush-says-youre-not-working-hard-enough/

Jeb Bush apparently thinks that the biggest problem facing middle class Americans is that they’re not working hard enough. In a webcast interview with the New Hampshire Union Leader, the former Florida governor and GOP presidential candidate said this:


“My aspiration for the country, and I believe we can achieve it, is 4 percent growth as far as the eye can see. Which means we have to be a lot more productive, workforce participation has to rise from its all-time modern lows. It means that people need to work longer hours … (and) through their productivity, gain more income for their families. That’s the only way we’re going to get out of this rut that we’re in.”

Bernie had an immediate response:


“Unfortunately, Gov. Bush does not seem to understand what is happening in our economy today. The sad truth is that because the middle class has declined over the last 40 years, while almost all new income and wealth have gone to the people on top, Americans already work the longest hours of any people in the western industrialized world. In fact, 80 percent of working men work longer than 40 hours a week. What we need now is an economy that provides decent wages and income for the middle class, not demands that people work even longer hours than they currently do.”

As Bernie says, Americans are working longer hours than anyone else in the industrialized world. Productivity increases won’t change that. For roughly thirty years, workers’ wages kept pace with productivity. That ended in roughly 1980, when conservatives took power and began implementing policies designed to ensure that the wealthiest among us kept the income created by productivity gains for themselves.

A longer workweek isn’t Jeb Bush’s only aspiration for the struggling middle class. He also wants to eliminate the Federal minimum wage, cut Social Security benefits, and raise the retirement age.

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When all you have is to criticize the other candidate using bogus means, it translates that you are clearly understanding the danger a corporate candidacy (which seeks only maintains the status quo), truly is in. There is no inevitable queen, merely the perception her "less than" followers tout, THERE IS A WAVE sweeping this nation. It is so early, it has only just started. Stay in fear, the rest of us are going to end this fear, we are going to support the candidate who will bring about real change. Lip service is so cheap.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
41. jury results.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 01:11 PM
Jul 2015

On Fri Jul 10, 2015, 10:37 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Politico headline: Bernie defends Jeb's 'longer hours' comment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251435045

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This kind of post makes DU suck. This is classing shit stirring, posting fake headlines and barely concealed bashing of a candidate, and then saying hey it's just somebody else's clickbait headline not mine.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:07 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: There is a real effort to make Sanders look bad here, just like HRC's hiding out
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What? This is taking candidate partisanship to the extreme! The post is accurate, and if it isn't "pure" enough for some people, that's too bad.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: An attempt to silence Nancy. hrmjustin
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The headline is wildly inappropriate, but not at the level of poo-flinging which is my threshold for a hide. The inaccuracy of the headline has been dealt with in the thread. Furthermore, the full quote in the posted piece reflects well on Sanders generally.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The headline is the headline, not fake and it is not a bad article. Bernie's supporters are in for a rough road. If they think this is bad they may want to move to a sugar shack in VT without wi-fi, newspapers, or electricity.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
43. I was rather stunned at #7 response.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 04:39 PM
Jul 2015
Explanation: The headline is the headline, not fake and it is not a bad article. Bernie's supporters are in for a rough road. If they think this is bad they may want to move to a sugar shack in VT without wi-fi, newspapers, or electricity.


Last sentence is surprising.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
45. The post really shouldn't have been alerted on, but since it was...
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 04:43 PM
Jul 2015

the jurors should at least avoid saying questionable things. Thanks for agreeing it should not have been worded that way.

 

Man of Distinction

(109 posts)
46. Now that's OTT response, IMHO.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 04:57 PM
Jul 2015

and a really bad one... Hope someone directed the administrators' attention about that juror...

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
67. I didn't say it was a violation...just that she had a jury of her peers..
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 12:10 AM
Jul 2015

Read their comments. You may not draw the same conclusions. Actually, I am positive that you will not. That does not change my opinion.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
72. rolls eyes....
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 12:24 AM
Jul 2015

I remember 2008....there is no chance in H ill I will forget the full on press of H's minions. I didn't vote for her then and I won't vote for her now.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
77. No..I read here but belonged to other sites
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 12:43 AM
Jul 2015

Minority and women sites. The PUMAs really turned me sour on H and I begged Obama supporters not to retire her debt. Ugh. That and the Super Tuesday events nailed that coffin shut!!

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
86. Last quote stands
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:49 AM
Jul 2015

I do think it was bullshit to post the headline, cause it was prototype politico bullshit.

But, not even close to jury worthy, and part of what has devolved into the Bernie supporters misusing the system.

That said, the last explanation is spot on.

Heads are going to explode if/when Bernie gets to the point that he is a real viable threat, because he is still getting the plucky underdog treatment generally. Such time as he appears to be a truly viable threat to win the nomination, you are going to see FOR REAL negative framining from the Rs channeled through the press, like Gore, Kerry, Dean, etc ...

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
48. i see politico is getting in on the action
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:25 PM
Jul 2015

of course Bernie isn't backing up jeb and they damn well know it. More evidence that the MSM and their corporate masters are shitting bricks over the prospect of Bernie becoming president.

Vinca

(50,273 posts)
51. If you listen to the entire Bush quote, it's apparent what he's saying
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:37 PM
Jul 2015

and Bernie is correct. I don't like Jeb, but cherry picking the quote is no better than some of the crap cherry picked about Obama. Bernie is . . . horrors . . . an honest man.

still_one

(92,204 posts)
52. The headline is a misrepresentation of Sanders. Reason they have to work longer is to survive not
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:37 PM
Jul 2015

because it is what they want

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
75. Ask Politico...
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 12:41 AM
Jul 2015

I went to Politico and had a look around. Guess they are in H's corner. So obviously, not to be trusted.
 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
79. As they should.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 12:56 AM
Jul 2015

I stand corrected....the first article I read was about how there were no grounds for the allegations of her money being tainted. But the article I just read where they call the Clintons space aliens is more to my liking!


Thanks, I'll book mark the site.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
56. that is a bullshit headline
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 10:45 PM
Jul 2015

Bernie sanders cares deeply about American workers and bush is a bush. fuck politico. btw I support hrc

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
80. So why did you change the post title?
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:01 AM
Jul 2015

Your initial reaction was "Don't shoot the messenger" and all you were doing was transcribing verbatim a headline that somebody else wrote.

You defended that point of view quite vehemently, and ably IMO, until you were overwhelmed by the sheer number of posters who objected.

So my question is, do you really think the original title was a mistake, or were you just bowing to peer pressure when you changed it?

In spite of my avatar there's no hidden agenda here, I'm just curious.

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