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lostnfound

(16,179 posts)
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 04:55 PM Jul 2015

Which candidate would be most effective on climate change - mitigation AND coping with consequences

I'm freaked out by the droughts in California - our #1 agriculture state - and the other parts of the world that are turning into deserts.

Our next president needs to push for sustainable energy and work to reduce climate change, but also needs to fairly deal with the consequences of it as they appear.

What candidates are most likely to do that? And why?


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Hillary Clinton
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Bernie Sanders
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Martin o'malley
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Jim Webb
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Lincoln Chafee
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One of the Republicans (ROFL)
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Which candidate would be most effective on climate change - mitigation AND coping with consequences (Original Post) lostnfound Jul 2015 OP
I'll skip the vote, because I'm pretty sure Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #1
+1 MissDeeds Jul 2015 #3
I said Chaffee though he's my least preferred candidate Recursion Jul 2015 #19
One of the few. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #21
Clinton has more friends in Congress; she will do a better job wrangling votes/herding cats. nt MADem Jul 2015 #2
The majority of Clinton's friends are on Wall Street OakCliffDem Jul 2015 #8
That's why so many US legislators have endorsed her....? MADem Jul 2015 #10
Climate change matters too. n/t OakCliffDem Jul 2015 #11
Who said it doesn't matter? MADem Jul 2015 #12
MADem don't you know that Heinlein quote about teaching a pig to sing? rock Jul 2015 #13
He stole that from Shaw, you know, and modified it to suit....! MADem Jul 2015 #14
I did not know that rock Jul 2015 #15
One of the Republicans (ROFL) Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #4
how is perpetual war, fracking, corporatism, and Keystone any different from the Pub candidates? MisterP Jul 2015 #16
What is a no brainer is either will do a far greater job than any con. randys1 Jul 2015 #5
Bernie ranked #1 by Climate Hawks bananas Jul 2015 #6
There is no mitigation. That ship has sailed, smacked an iceberg, sunk, and is growing barnacles Scootaloo Jul 2015 #7
WHERE IN THE HECK ARE DUers ON THIS? elleng Jul 2015 #9
I'd say Bernie Bradical79 Jul 2015 #17
I feel bad for Chafee and Webb they get no love. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #18
Chafee speaks enough Republican to get something passed Recursion Jul 2015 #20

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. I'll skip the vote, because I'm pretty sure
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 04:58 PM
Jul 2015

all you're going to get is people voting for their preferred candidate anyway.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
19. I said Chaffee though he's my least preferred candidate
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:52 AM
Jul 2015

He'd probably be the most effective of them all in terms of actually being able to get stuff passed, and effectiveness was the question.

OakCliffDem

(1,274 posts)
8. The majority of Clinton's friends are on Wall Street
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:37 PM
Jul 2015

Quid Pro Quo for donation cash. Climate change will only get lip service from her.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
10. That's why so many US legislators have endorsed her....?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:56 PM
Jul 2015
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/238912-2016-hillary-endorsement-list

And how many have endorsed Senator Sanders, by contrast....?

Ummmmm. None, so far. Zero. Zip. Nada.

He's gotten a few local endorsements from former state senators but those aren't much if any help to him. He's gotten a few celebrity endorsements, too, but those have limited appeal.

You can compare and contrast at this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorsements_for_the_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016


Those US legislators are superdelegates to the Convention. They have a vote.

Their endorsements matter.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
12. Who said it doesn't matter?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 06:17 PM
Jul 2015

Presidents do not rule by executive fiat.

If they can't get Congress to follow, they can't lead.

Clinton has endorsers in both chambers. Sanders has NONE.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
14. He stole that from Shaw, you know, and modified it to suit....!
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:21 PM
Jul 2015
I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.

George Bernard Shaw


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/georgebern137450.html#qBPcYe14LJi6GqJA.99

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
16. how is perpetual war, fracking, corporatism, and Keystone any different from the Pub candidates?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:15 PM
Jul 2015

you can't pretend to be reminding us who the "real enemy" is by forgetting that every year establishment Dems adopt more and more GOP policies

because we won't forget

randys1

(16,286 posts)
5. What is a no brainer is either will do a far greater job than any con.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:06 PM
Jul 2015

But i have bad news for those of you with young children or grandchildren, myself included, it is too late for some or many.

The best we can do now is save some life and some livable areas, not sure how much, but from everything I have read, this is the case.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
7. There is no mitigation. That ship has sailed, smacked an iceberg, sunk, and is growing barnacles
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:25 PM
Jul 2015

I think of the candidates, Sanders is most likely to push towards the public works needed to try to cope with what comes.

However this is an issue that simply cannot be effectively addressed fro ma seat of government, so... Sorry Sen. sanders, I like you but I don't think you're a wizard, i guess?

elleng

(130,934 posts)
9. WHERE IN THE HECK ARE DUers ON THIS?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:50 PM
Jul 2015

HEADS IN SAND MUCH???

Martin O'Malley Is a Real Climate Hawk.
The data-loving Maryland gov could have the greenest credentials of any '16 contender.

O'Malley is the rare elected official who seems genuinely motivated to address climate change. "I deal with a lot of politicians in my work as a climate advocate," says Mike Tidwell, director of the Chesapeake Climate Action Network. "Martin O'Malley, more than any politician I know, really loses sleep over climate change. He is deeply concerned about climate change and his actions over the last eight years reveal that. He's pushed the envelope more than anyone I've seen. He's the kind of politician where his staff comes in and says, ‘Here's what we propose to do,' and most politicians would say, ‘Let's cut that down a little,' and Martin O'Malley regularly says, ‘We can't do better than that? Push a little harder?'"

Maryland, because it's part of the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI), requires its electric utilities to buy permits for their carbon pollution. The cost of those permits, according to the state government's estimate, raises electricity bills by only an average of 0.61 percent. The proceeds, around $80 million this year, go into energy-efficiency programs that can then help lower utility bills for Maryland citizens.

The state is also pushing ahead with lots of other, smaller initiatives to cut greenhouse gas emissions. To reduce methane creation from landfills, for example, it is trying to amp up recycling and composting with the goal of reaching 65 percent waste diversion by 2020. It is planting trees on public land to expand carbon sinks, it follows the highest International Energy Conservation Code from the International Code Council for public buildings, and it is expanding rail lines in Baltimore and the Maryland suburbs of D.C.

Beyond RGGI, Maryland mostly has to rely on carrots rather than sticks to entice non-government entities to cut emissions. For example, the state is reducing peak energy demand by offering discounts on electricity bills to consumers who cut their peak-time usage. Maryland's secretary of natural resources, Joseph Gill, is overseeing a state program to plant trees on private land. "I went to the first planting in Montgomery County and the homeowner said he spent six hours a week mowing his huge lawn and he was thrilled to see 400 trees going in," Gill recounts at the ClimateStat meeting.

The O'Malley administration boasts that Maryland's greenhouse gas emissions are down 9.7 percent since 2006, the year before he took office.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk

We should incentivize production of clean energy—it's better for our environment & consumers.

- Martin O'Malley

A JOBS AGENDA FOR IOWA'S RENEWABLE ENERGY FUTURE
As a nation we have made great strides toward becoming energy independent. Now is the time to accelerate that progress.

I believe, within 35 years, our country can and should be 100% powered by clean energy, supported by millions of new jobs. But we have to accelerate the transition right now.

https://martinomalley.com/climate/iowa/

"Thus far, no other candidate has said they're going to make climate change their top priority.

Martin O'Malley has not only done that, but he has outlined a plan that would enact emissions reductions in line with what scientists say is necessary to slow global climate change—worldwide emissions reductions of 40-70 percent by 2050—and he's the only candidate to do that, too. His plan would phase out fossil-fueled power plants altogether, by midcentury. Along with the USA Today op-ed, he released a white paper further outlining his scheme."

‪#?OMalley2016‬ ‪#?NewLeadership‬ ‪#?CleanEnergy‬

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
20. Chafee speaks enough Republican to get something passed
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:53 AM
Jul 2015

I doubt any of the others could (not even Webb). So, I picked Chafee.

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