2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe DNC WILL NOT exclude Bernie Sanders from the debates. Everybody can relax.
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The notion that something nefarious is in the works and the DNC is actively working to exclude Bernie Sanders from the Democratic debates is ludicrous.
I've read this allegation a number of times today alone.
It's not going to happen.
Bernie Sanders is currently polling second place and is a high profile member of Congress. He also caucuses with the Democratic party in the Senate. He's the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee.
Also, if you go to the home page of the Democratic party, Bernie's picture is right there next to Hillary's. Would the DNC put his picture there if they're actively working to exclude him? https://www.democrats.org/
Some folks need to put away the tin foil hats.
Bernie will be at the debates.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)how easy that is to do.
Like the fact that we haven't even scheduled a single debate yet?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)just have to roll our sleeves up and do without.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)and as few as we can get away with. No worries, there will bigger obstacles ahead of us. Have a good evening, time to get some dinner. (The only eating related smilies you saw.)
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)But they haven't even scheduled the first sanctioned DNC debate.
there are only 6, and none scheduled after the primaries start,
just as in 2007......but they are starting much later this time.
There were a total of 26 debates in 2007-2008
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Man of Distinction
(109 posts)what about it, if Bernie does lead after say, the second debates and maintains and increases it daily - does the DNC want more debates in the hopes of torpedoing Sanders?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,008 posts)let alone making it 20 years on the national & international stage. So Bernie does his Gish Gallop of political shoulda, coulda woulda's and the DNC gotta dance to his tune.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)the question is will they have 12-15 so called
candidates, so that each may have 15 seconds
for an answer or comment?
That would work well for the DNC's candidate.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)they may not be able to keep him out, but if they let enough others in, not only will they be able to keep Bernie's input to a minimum, they'll also be able to keep Hillary's to a minimum, and that means she won't have as many opportunities to give her vague non answers.it's clear that the DNC fix is in. They're just waiting for the last possible moment so they rig it exactly to their liking.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Which would be excluding Bernie. The OP can't make a claim otherwise. In fact, all indications are that exclusion of Bernie is the M.O.
OP fails. The Party heads are being very anti-democratic.
LuvLoogie
(7,008 posts)Wouldn't you want to hear from them and make an informed choice? Validation of your choice need not be limited to ridicule of the front runner.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)everyone can relax now
-none
(1,884 posts)The pertinent bits and pieces will show up, buried in popular or must pass legislation.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)The moment the anti-TPP forces relaxed their guard it sailed through.
A warning to those who would trust the DNC and fail to be vigilant against treachery.
-none
(1,884 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)stop paying attention.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)And as soon as a convenient distraction came by (the Charleston massacre) they tried again, and passed it less than 24 hours later while everyone was grieving over the tragedy.
It's an object lesson in how faux-democracy works, really.
-none
(1,884 posts)I didn't look that close at it.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)is that when dealing with anything political, you should expect to be stabbed in the back by the agents of the elites until all possibility of an event - whether passing an odious trade bill, or rigging the procedure and conditions of a candidate debate - is truly and finally past.
CTBlueboy
(154 posts)I dont not trust DWS
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)She blocked Democratic candidates challenging Congressional seats held by her Cuban-republican friends. She was behind Florida moving up the primary, in an effort to boost Hillary (which cost us delegates). And she's repeatedly lied about both circumstances. There's plenty of reasons not to trust her.
CTBlueboy
(154 posts)Thank you for pointing those examples out
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/09/03/wasserman_schultz_puts_florida_in_the_win_column_says_planting_a_flag_in_the_south.html <<< SMH
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)What I am more concerned with is Wasserman adding a lot of additional candidates beyond the five (or so) that seem to be running.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Bernie is polling too high and has too much momentum to be excluded out right. But if she lets enough others on stage, he won't have much of an opportunity to speak and get his words out. The reason this is taking so long is they are trying to play it just right. One way or another, they are determined to keep him as silent as possible. Too bad it's going to backfire.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Having as few debates as possible with as many candidates as possible was their plan A.
No one would be so silly as to try to exclude Bernie.
Renew Deal
(81,860 posts)I don't understand that.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)something like 17 declared candidates and another bunch "potential." most are people most of us never heard of.
if they allow 7 or so of them onto the stage, that cuts down on the time that each one gets to speak. And of course that will cut down on the time Bernie gets to get his message out. I think Wasserman and Company are trying to cut it just right. let enough in to cut into Bernie's speaking time, but not so many that it's going to look like the Republican Trainwreck when they have their debate.
Renew Deal
(81,860 posts)There's no way to credibly have a debate with Lee Mercer and James "Titus The Great" Law out there.
I'd be more worried about them cutting Chaffee.
LuvLoogie
(7,008 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Renew Deal
(81,860 posts)How could she do either?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Don't forget, NYCSkip being banned was the beginning of the purge!!!!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)it was a purge
Renew Deal
(81,860 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)still_one
(92,204 posts)Gothmog
(145,288 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)still_one
(92,204 posts)the DNC and Hillary
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)... were hoping to trade-in their tin-foil hats for sackcloth and ashes.
marked50
(1,366 posts)that Bernie is the candidate that the Wall Street/Money Changers/Billionares have to fear the most. It is not beyond any conspiracy theories to believe that all available means will be brought to bear to keep him out of the mix.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)I'm more concerned about O'Malley and others
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Six debates. Bernie will pwn Hillary Clinton in a debate of ideas.
Betcha there will be SOME kind of public challenge to Bernie Sanders' right to run as a Democrat.
$200 donation to DU.
If the primaries end with NO public challenge to Bernie Sanders' right to challenge Hillary Clinton for the Democratic Nomination for President of the United States, I'll make the donation ON the day Bernie concedes. IF there IS a public challenge to Bernie Sanders' right to challenge for the Democratic Nomination for President of the United States, YOU make the same commitment, to be paid the day the challenge is made.
If Joe Biden announces, all bets are off.
Fair enough?
LuvLoogie
(7,008 posts)and go out for a nice steak dinner. Lotta validation in Vegas...
(Amateurs...sheesh)
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Pull something else out of your nether regions and call it an argument... this one ain't workin'.
LuvLoogie
(7,008 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)But I do believe a Democrat will win the nomination: HRC or Biden (if he decides to run). The lower tier candidates don't stand a chance. BTW, ideas are not enough. They must be grounded in a policy framework.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)When will they happen?
How will they be moderated?
It appears that someone prefers that us prols not be informed of such minor trivialities. Almost as if those at the controls of this, have someone they seem to favor gaming this to severely limit these debates, in both number and scope.
So, in my view, the "move along, move along, nothing to see here" meme, seems a tad bit disingenuous. But that's probably just me.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)debates. As many as possible. I find them informative and fascinating.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Anyone who says otherwise or tries to spread the meme that the DNC is going to exclude him is just trying to blow smoke in people's eyes. It's an attempt to do something that isn't going to help any candidate.
It's also a waste of everyone's time.
There will be debates. All Democratic candidates of any prominence will participate in them. As much as 10% of Democratic voters will actually watch them. The thing about Democratic primary debates is that all of the candidates agree on most issues, and will make that clear. The debates will influence the votes of a small percentage of those who watch them. The rest will continue to support the candidate they already support.