The more I read this bullshit, the more I am determined to just write his name in, if he does not win the nomination.
He is a decent man, and yeah, this is bullshit bloviation.

Anne Marie. And yet another Bernie bashing thread, some are very hard at work, a good sign.

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I've followed Sanders for a few years but I know one thing, from seeing him live 3 days ago in Arlington at a public policy forum (not a campaign rally) his presence fills a room and his message and voice are very powerful. And I've seen quite a few of them.

In the BSG I did a post about the event, an incredible 2 hours.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128023007

Get back to me when the whole first page on DU-P is a slam on Bernie.

welcome to the Primaries. Bernie supporters are not even closed to feeling the full experience of negative blowback.

Have fun

This is going to carry over beyond the primaries AND the general ...

The DU posters who deride and insult will never remove that stain from their hearts ... This wont be forgotten ... it wont be forgiven ...

Once a complete and utter asshole, ALWAYS a complete and utter asshole ... There are no take backs from this .... The stench of being an insulting jackhole doesn't ever wash away ... There is no reconciliation possible ...

From this point forward, those who post this crap will be ignored, forever ...

Done ...

Maybe hanging out exclusively on the Bernie Group would solve your thin skin problem

Clinton Fans, winning hearts and minds the old fashioned way.

you think it is cute or smart to post such bullshit.

I am never voting for Clinton. Period.

I vote third party, write-in, or sit it out.

Must be nice.

My vote is my own.

Fear tactics never work.

It's not fear I'm peddling, it's reality. And the reality is that low turnout favors Republicans because they turn out no matter what, while "our side" turns up their nose and brags about voting 3rd party on a DEMOCRATIC website.

Are you a single issue voter then?

If so, you have not done this country any favors.

I am not. I look at a myriad of issues.

But this constant meme that OMFG if we don't vote for another Third Way neo-liberal, the SCOTUS, the SCOTUS!!!

I am overjoyed that we finally have marriage equality for 2 person couples. You do know the majority opinion was penned by a conservative right?

It's a much bigger picture than you'd like to admit.

I also look at the other two.

Roe v. Wade is not going anywhere. ACA needs to evolve quickly into Medicare for all. I am very happy with marriage equality as I said and conservatives on the court were allies not enemies. If we deal with voting rights at the local level and through legislation at the Federal, it is also a non-issue.

In other words, I am not basing my vote solely on whether a conservative or a liberal is put on the court. Reagan appointed Kennedy. And the Democratic led congress did not stop Thomas, Alito, or Roberts from being confirmed.

OTOH, a 7-2 liberal SCOTUS could enshrine progress for generations.

Get your candidate to stop backing globalization and "force projection".

You can't even talk about progressivism without mentioning SCOTUS, a 7-2 wingnut SCOTUS will unravel it all. But hey, it's your vote, if you believe voting 3rd party will somehow advance the progressive agenda, then good luck.

To a RWNJ nominee to the Supreme Court?

But I am supposed to base my entire vote on the possibility of a SCOTUS replacement.

IF Clinton is nominated.

The more I read about her, the more I am convinced that Bernie is the only viable choice of ANY candidates.

Someone put up a recent post showing Clinton's long association with the Bush Family Evil Empire.. Going back to the 80s.

If it's Clinton/Bush - more of the same, so nothing worth voting for.

Yeah, totally buying your commitment to forwarding a DEMagenda

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...I wonder how many anti-Clinton chest thumpers are going to have the courage of their convictions and leave.

It's up to you.

Why does this seem to threaten the neo-liberals so much?

That probably explains their interest in voting. I have no idea where on the political spectrum you lie, or maybe you just don't care.

At least not from where I am on the political spectrum - progressive left of center.

I vote on principles, policies, and positions. I don't vote for a team. I don't vote for a Democrat just because they have a D after their name.

I am not alone either.

Here's hoping that the "Jeb!" or Loser To Be Named Later voters are in the minority this time, too...

I too am totally done with voting for New Dems/ThirdWay/DLCers or whatever the hell else these infiltrators of the Democratic Party choose to call themselves.

We progressives know exactly who Clinton is, and we want no part of Clinton/Bush Global Empire.

It's an IND in the Whitehouse. Just want to get that clear. Sure he caucuses with Dems, but let's keep this accurate instead of re writing the truth.

He has declared that he is running as a Dem. I have read on here it's the same with Illinois, so the same could be said of Obama except that he declared as a Dem from the beginning.

Let's keep this accurate instead of rewriting the truth.

Not to mention the fact that as an Independent he was a better Dem than most have ever been.

Someone had posted images of Past ballots in Vermont for POTUS etc which indicated party affiliation. Seems like the talking point you suggest had made its rounds without any supporting evidence.

Regardless, the fact of the matter is that if Bernie wins the Whitehouse, it's an IND in the Whitehouse. It doesn't upset me, it is what it is. Would it bother you that an IND would be in the Whitehouse? I can't imagine that is would bother many Bernie supporters since they won't vote for Hillary if she is the nominee, so they wouldn't care what political affiliation is after the new POTUS's name.

Yes, you choose which party to run as but you don't register as an individual. There are many states that do this. It's not a talking point.

Here from the VT secretary of state:

Because:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=438589

Is not that Bernie could NOT declare as a DEM. In fact he can declare. He chooses not to declare as DEM

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/72082757/SAMPLE-BALLOT-090-Rutland-City-Rutland-5-2-OFFICIAL-VERMONT-


Btw, I can't figure,out why I can't link to the post here on DU using this iPad. But you can look it up. It was posted on July 1

In Vermont individuals do not register with a party. Follow my link, it's clearly stated on the page, I quoted it. When a candidate runs for office they declare which party they want to run as, that's why you see the party affiliations on the ballots. And then voters ask for the party ballot they wish to vote for when they go to the polling places for primaries.

Bernie is running as a Dem in the Dem primary for president. That's a fact.

He did not run as a Dem when he ran for the Senate. We all know that. But that has nothing to do with the current Dem primary. I'm not sure what you are trying to say or what you think was debunked.

When you get a chance I would love if if you could give me the link, the search engine is crap on here.

Vermont doesn't REQUIRE registration, but doesn't prohibit it either.

Bernie choses not to register as a Dem.

I am at a different device and here is the link to that thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251419448

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It says so plain as day and I quoted it.

Here is is AGAIN:

and you refuse to support her, you will be in violation of the DU TOS. Will you be leaving DU then?

Are we in the General yet? Has Sanders lost to Clinton?

Trust me I won't return to DU until after Clinton fails to get elected if she is the nominee.

Please stay long enough to see Bernie endorse Hillary.

You may be using the same crystal ball that told you H would get the nom back in 2008

on the favor of a candidate I have never even met?

Such silliness!

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going around at least a week and a half. Another asinine Bernie bashing thread, hard at work.

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Although I've followed Sanders for several years, seeing him in person 3 days ago in Arlington at a 2-hour public policy forum (not a campaign rally) was an incredible experience as I wrote in my post in the BSG. He fills a room like few others, and his voice, presence and message are very powerful. And I've seen a number of them.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128023007

so it will not be much of an issue if I do not vote for her. I will definitely vote progressive down ballot.

But no more Third Way neo-liberals for national leadership roles. Period!

They triangulated the Democratic party so far right that I don't even recognize it any longer.

Bernie is expressing ideas that are resonating with ordinary Americans, while Trump is nothing but a bigot with a big mouth and deep pockets. Comparing the two is a travesty. What a piece of crap article.

Anna Marie needs to catch up and more.

* or any of the other Ds running.

The fact that the GOP airheads get one minute of air time is proof their 'news and analysis' is nothing but a big advertisement for the friends of the billionaires who own what should be public airways. Not advocating that the public airways should be strictly in the hands of the government, but in order to do what the first called the press to be.

It is fine for it to complain of the government and to follow a progressive and humane holding to account the outrages of the powerful the only voice, instead of giving cover to the corporate voices whose wealth exceeds that of nation states. The media should be covering pollution, corruption, discrimination and other such things, but they'd rather put traitors on the air and gin up wars and beating up on the poor part of the public.

His weakness is that he doesn't propose any solutions--he just articulates problems (and he does do that well--cable bill IS too damn high, for example...but how is he going to get Congress to legislate a lower price?).

Trump, on the other hand, proposes solutions (outlandish pipe dreams, but solutions--even though they will never work) along with his insults--he's gonna "make" those "rapist Mexicans" build the wall along the border and he's gonna do it cheaply, too--yeah, right--and I'm the King of Siam!!

The former Wonkette is a bit cruel with her verbiage, but the take-away is accurate. I also think a lot of people yelling about this article miss this key bit:

authority that set cable rates!!! At least that is what the....unnnnh, let's see....that would be the FCC...told me!! And golly, I was LISTENING when they told me this, too. Here, you can listen, too:

Also, keep pretending that I'm only talking about existing regulations when Sanders is talking about new regulations. That way, you can pretend common carrier status doesn't exist, or there can never be any new regulations.

Right now, I have one option for Internet service. Time Warner Cable. The phone lines in my neighborhood were not run by a common carrier - a small phone company ran them, and does not have to allow anyone else to offer service over their lines. And they only offer 1990s-era Internet service. If the phone lines were owned by Verizon, they would have to allow others to offer service.

So now what would happen if TWC was put under common carrier status to combat the monopoly caused by being the one that owns the wires? Someone else could offer me service over TWC's cable. And suddenly, TWC can't jack up the rate whenever they want more profit. Because that leaves room for someone else to offer cheaper service.

How do I know TWC is jacking up the cost for pure profit? They offered a 25% cut on the bill when I canceled TV service. So obviously the price is not based on cost of service with a small profit.

Common carrier reined in arbitrary price increases for the major phone companies. It can rein in the cable companies too.

You know, that whole pesky tension between federal and state governments...?


The reason SENATIOR Sanders and SENATOR Elizabeth Warren and others in cough-CONGRESS-cough are squawking, and involving themselves in this conversation, is because there's going to have to be some legislative action surrounding this, and there also has to be a way to thread the needle to accommodate state prerogatives.

This isn't as simple as you make it out to seem. If the FCC had a magic wand, why haven't they waved it? But hey, you wanna snark, go on and keep on keeping on.

He has been spouting off nothing but policies.

A financial transaction tax that he put forth sometime in May.

That tax was to pay for education reform and making 4 years of post secondary education at public universities, colleges, and trade and tech schools free.

He has stated that any supreme court nominee would be for overturning the citizens united ruling.

He is for legislation requiring all superpac and dark campaign donations be fully disclosed to the public.

He seeks a tax on escessive industrial carbon and methane emissions.

And that is a fairly small sample.


Honestly, when the guy is interviewed he is almost nothing but policy. He doesn't like talking about personality and it takes a good deal of effort to get him to talk about his competition for the nomination.

Can't these people coordinate their ridiculous talking points?

Thus far Sanders is Donald Trump, Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Howard Dean, and Ralph Nader all rolled into one!

Despite holding diametrically opposite political positions, he's both.

straight all of the people he is as opposed to the actual candidate we know him to be.

that he is also Eugene McCarthy.

They are both representing a bloc of disaffected, unwilling or sick and tired voters...of both parties. In fact Clinton and Bush and all the rest of the parties have one thing in common that Trump and Bernie don't have... they are bought and sold by Global bankers.

Witness Greece. That has been happening to us...longer hours for less pay (austerity plan with a drip-drip function) and the wealth is being distributed all right...straight to the top. We are all Greeks, just a few fancy moves back. Bernie uses a term no other politician will use...Oligarchy...here's the definition:




oligarchy
noun ol·i·gar·chy \ˈä-lə-ˌgär-kē, ˈō-\
: a country, business, etc., that is controlled by a small group of people

: the people that control a country, business, etc.

: government or control by a small group of people

Someone name me a more important issue...from either side.

in regards to financial net worth and run around more in the same social circles.

NT

Both tend to evolve their position to whatever is politically expedient.

It's not bashing Sanders. It says he proposes real policies, whereas Trump's appeal is rhetoric.

They produce bullshit such as the above article.

Trump is a joke, as well as a vitriolic, egotistical maniac. HUGE difference, and a completely different kind of bluntness.

Anna Marie Cox loves Hillary, btw. Makes sense she'd write something like this.

since when is running on the issues "disrupting" a nomination process? that's the whole point....to have choices!!!!

what the hell happened to cox? she used to make good points when wonkette was small. now she is just a shill for the m$m corporate machine.

another one bites the dust.

and both will flame out

....Bernie Sanders is a kind and decent man.

Donald Trump is a xenophobic, bigoted, racist, megalomaniac.

I'll give you slack for attempting to crow about a something you clearly haven't been as well-educated on as you thought.