A red state, is having a rally, with possibly two thousand people, and the candidate won't be there? Is that normal? That's incredible! If you go, please share pictures.

try to get him to go and take pics.

But maybe I don't know, as I did attend an Obama house party with about 50 people, but I have never heard of rallies this big. Has anyone else?

Kentucky can be the reddest state in the union on some divisive issues. (Why else vote for Mitch McConnell?). OTOH many democrats win local elections on labor issues. By contrast, Dems on the national stage are usually deemed carpetbaggers. Maybe sincerity sells.

I am inclined to believe that that is what is also happening in the Republican Party. Trump is using the immigration issue as the scapegoat for the nation's economic problems caused by the greed of the wealthy. The same tactic as was employed by the Nazis who blamed their failing economy on the Jews. Trump is a prime example of the abuse of system to enrich themselves. He is nothing more than a con artist who launched several projects that went bankrupt while he protected his own wealth from any losses.

The people who are climbing on his bandwagon are delusional if they actually believe that illegal immigration is the cause of their economic stagnation. Most of the illegal immigrants are doing manual labor for minimum wages. It is also a fact that in some industries the employers who hire them are exploiting the system to pay them rock bottom wages. Trump has no problem with the fact that his projects use illegal immigrants to enrich himself. He just claims that he has no part in the actual hiring that is done by subcontractors.

Contrast him to Sanders. While Sanders offers actual solutions, Trump only offers the propaganda of scapegoating. He actually thinks that he is a genius because he used his inherited millions to exploit a rigged system. While his adoring knuckleheads eat up the slop that he is feeding them he is gaming the system that is in reality impoverishing them.

I don't think another candidate could draw 1600 to an event they won't be attending, even if they waived the $2700/plate fee.

like $27,000 a plate, but I am not sure.

donations are donations to PACs which is an organization that collects money for political causes that is supposed to have no contact/coordination with the candidates.

http://www.fec.gov/pages/fecrecord/2015/february/contriblimits20152016.shtml

Bernie's explosion, Hillary's implosion

Probably not enough time to coordinate scheduling. But it looks like a lot of people will be signing up to help and donate.

we are alike.

programs when the interviewer is in NY and the guest is in California.

That's easy enough to do.

It's a brilliant strategy. Proceed!

Sadly.

It's noticeable that the O'Malley threads are fairly civil and people discuss his proposals. Wish I could say the same for any Sanders thread. I think it's pretty obvious as to why. They were even trying to go after him in a thread where he said the country should apolgize for slavery. It was actually cringeworthy to see the people who had screamed the loudest for him to notice PoC to embarrass themselves so much. But hey, whatever. Not everyone is stupid enough to fall for those tactics. Never enough, Bernie.

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money in politics and its corrosive affect on our elections. He is naming names, he has openly talked about people like the Koch Bros buying candidates.

O'Malley isn't a threat. So no reason to go after him.

I like the fact that Bernie is making the 'comfortable uncomfortable' to the point where they are forced to spend money to try to stop him. And I like even more that it isn't working. That his poll numbers continue to rise as more and more people get to know him.

I also notice that those who are clearly worried about his candidacy never talk about THEIR candidate. Where she stands on the issues, how she is better than Bernie. Their comments are negative, uninteresting, not likely to do much for their candidate.

They can't talk about her stances because they are still, um, evolving. So in every thread about her records/actions/history, the tactic is to derail and slam Sanders. So boring and so transparent.

I just finished it.

Damnation she was literally saying stuff like I don't have an answer for you today but just wait I will unveil my plan later.

...and I think that like you, they don't endear me to Mrs. Clinton.

There were so many non-answers and repeats of the same thing. I guess the questionnaires didn't much matter.

She doesn't really say she would change NCLB. Against vouchers but for charters. And "access to higher education" is critical. No actual proposals as they are coming.

I think some teachers are going to be a little upset when they read this. But hey, it's just Sanders people being the vindictive, union-bashing losers they always are. I saw it on DU.

Union leadership might endorse but the union locals themselves do not. It's an old problem.

There is so much flying around the internet, it's difficult to keep track. I find it interesting that everyone is just supposed to shut up about it though.

Endorse in summer, how's that for having teacher's backs? That is when only the administration is working.

The whole episode is not going over well. I know when my mom and her teacher friends were ready to protest, they could bring it. This could actually have some unintended consequences. I personally am VERY surprised at all the teachers who are speaking up. Their jobs and the the public schools they love are under siege and they are not going to shut up and fall in line. Good for them.

The AFT has a July convention. I'm sure the rank and file issues with "representative polling" will be raised at the coming conference. But the usual loyal operatives will ensure that the discussion is controlled to focus on a legal and common but flawed practice that won't likely transfer into real debate about the candidates. Anyway, debate after an endorsement is part of leadership strategy. The Big Persuasion hobby horse about Hillary's pro-labor promises will get trotted out.

This is a political ambush of the rank and file, and how leadership stacks the debate deck in its favor.

This has been going on for ages in all areas. The selling out of people continues apace. It's weird how so many people defend it, calling it union bashing, when it is actually supporting the member's concerns. But that's how it goes around here.

what casts doubt on the integrity of union leadership. Not to mention that I've always though Weingarten a DLC lackey.

But she still has a union to run. Teachers should fight this internal process to better reflect their politics, which is structured to be muffled by summer recuperation realities.

The real internal issue to bring forward at the convention -- Hillary, woman or no, is pro-charter in deed, no matter how she covers it with 'love' of teachers. Weingarten mustmust be held accountable for selling out public school funding. The field professionals deserve better.

She only went for the AFT's endorsement, anyway, for her resume to appear less corporate compared to Sanders'. Slick timing and sickening.

A lot of non-answers and evasions attempting to not be pinned down. It is the typical New Dem triangulation.

She still supports NCLB. She still supports charters. She is still best friends with the Gates Foundation. She agrees with Obama on Community College but what specifics are there for 4 years college education and the incredible student loan debt bubble?

I honestly believe that this will come back to bite her on the ass as will all of these little issues. The Clintons always have an air of dishonesty hovering around them. Even if they did nothing illegal, the ethical questions continue to mount.

Yes, the union may have followed their 'rules' but the way this looks this election cycle this soon and with a Super PAC head also the union leader raises those same ethical questions.

It just continues to turn me off more and more the DNC.

she vowed to oppose charters, end NCLB, end high stakes testing and teacher pay tied to tests, to always protect tenure, then this would be a no brainer. On the Randi's twitter feed, Jake Tapper asked "Do you always endorse this early?" So the union hating Sanders supporters aren't the only ones who noticed.

And to be honest, the more that comes out with the connections of big money it is getting very deep.

http://press.clintonglobalinitiative.org/press_releases/nyc-teacher-pension-fund-pledges-1-billion-to-investments-in-post-sandy-reconstruction-and-other-critical-infrastructure/

http://curmudgucation.blogspot.com/2015/06/hillarys-teacher-pac.html

she would be a true progressive Democratic and not a New Dem.

Whether 'legal' or not, it is the typical ethical boundary pushing that I see constantly with the Clintons.

It stinks to high heaven of cronyism, post CU politicking, and quid pro quo.

A habitual line stepper.

Not.

...if it meant anything...

Bernie has never contorted himself on the issues, nor needed to. With him, what you see is always what you get.

Kentucky for Bernie Sanders - First Rally!

Music, art, conversation, education.

Noon: Riley & Price
1: John Paul Wright
2: Troubadours of Divine Bliss
3: Jeanette Martinez contortion performance, then break.
4: The Tunesmiths
6: Decline Effect
7:15: Ron Whitehead, Kentucky Poet
7:30 Tom Boone and The Back Porch Pickers and friends!
Event MC'd by Dionte' Tay Tyler

Still, that really doesn't matter. I'm sure some silly things happen at Clinton rallies, for the dozens of people who attend them.

Like Clinton "discussing the issues"

Talk about contortions

Do you ever talk about YOUR candidate, promote her, talk about WHY she is the best candidate in this race? Talk about where she stands on the issues?

Why do you waste your time attacking other candidates while not supporting and promoting your own?

I love promoting my candidate, because he is so good on almost every issue it is a pleasure to talk to people about him.

Why do you not feel that way about your candidate? I'm genuinely curious.

What are Hillary's policies on Education? Does she agree with the enhanced version of Bush's NCLB, known as Common Core, how about Privatization of the Public Schools, Charters eg? How about the totally failed, though profitable for Corporations, testing as a replacement for education?

I have no idea where she stands on education. Do you?

And has touted charter schools.

I don't know if she has changed her mind on that too, though

...but you won't trick me into doing so.

They're not simple black and white, yes or no issues, far more involved than trying to address them in posts on a website like this, particularly the way they're posed. And even if I were to attempt to answer them here, the hordes would descend upon me "like flies on a rib roast" (as I suspect they will anyway once I hit "post my reply&quot .

For example, "Privatization of the Public Schools"...where? Inner cities, rural towns, suburbs? What exactly do you mean by "privatization" anyway? Does that mean only Charter Schools, or are you driving at something else? I know Charter Schools are a controversial issue - there are some that are absolutely horrible, but there are also some that work quite well. As I say, this like many other issues are not black and white, yes or no.

But, if you really want to know how she feels on certain aspects of education, there's plenty out there to read. As they say, "google is your friend".

Let me turn this around - what are Sanders' positions on the issues you mention - Common Core, Privatization, Charters, testing? To be honest, I've seen very little of that discussed on this site in the last month or so, more talk of how many people showed up for a rally, how many lawn signs are out in California, etc.

I support Hillary and I am proud to say it. She has accomplished great things as FLOTUS, as a two time senator and as Sec of State. She helped write the bill just passed by her successor in the senate to get health care coverage for the 9-11 first responders, she;s helped the gulf war veterans with PTSD, she has helped foster children, she has done a lot for women and she is the only candidate willing to stand up to the NRA. She may not be perfect but neither was Obama and i supported him twice and he will go down in history as one of the great presidents. I haven't been on DU in a long time and came here to see what people were saying and I am deeply disappointed to find the DU community is bashing Hillary with the same old GOP/Koch Brother propaganda.

why are you trying degrade and insult these grassroots efforts for Bernie? Sorry they are not wall street?

Maybe Ron Whitehead...got a quickie jab for that one? How about Back Porch Pickers...lends itself to any number of insolent BOLDS.

And by the way, music, art, conversation and education are considered for the intelligent. Boors need not attend.

Looking...looking...looking. Oh wait, nobody's holding one. Apparently Hillary does enough contorting on her own to satiate her followers for that avenue of entertainment.

In fact, my daughter is studying silks, trapeze and acrobatics. Some of that is Contortion. Some people's bodies in Circus are adaptable to Contortion, most not. My daughter prefers partner acrobatics (think flying Karamazovs). It may look weird to you but it is a trained discipline and not deserving of scorn or derision.

I'm so confused.

on my fiddle and mandolin. LOVE ME SOME Kentucky Old Timey Fiddle music. And guess what? They dig it a lot in Vermont and New Hampshire too. Oh, and in Ohio, Missouri, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia, North Carolina, just to name a few places in the country. Can't forget Texas and by golly in NEW YORK CITY of all places (imagine that).

but of course folks here in San Francisco Bay Area, dig it too.. can't leave out Portland, Seattle and way up there in Alaska. . I know I left out a lot of other places.. but this stuff matters, it's part of our culture that's worth supporting and allowing to thrive.. and actually sounds like a hell of a lot more fun than typical political rallies, quite frankly.

You won't feel bad, that I will puff the ignore button at last.

After all, I would not want you to feel hurt.

behalf and get that many to attend even though he won't be there. WOW! Now THAT is what grassroots is all about!

Perfect example of grassroots!!

Hopefully the outreach and house party group will have something spectacular planned, here in Minnesota and it will be with or without Bernie. If he can't make it we might not have as many people coming, but I bet it will still be a blast. Now if only there was a way to get that Kentucky talent up here, I bet they will be amazing.

I would have attended if I'd heard about it sooner. I hope they get a good turnout and have more events in the future!

Go Bernie!

in Kentucky. So far no one has set up a Kentucky gathering on Meetup

http://www.meetup.com/find/?allMeetups=false&keywords=bernie+sanders&radius=100&userFreeform=Kentucky+Oaks+Mall%2C+Kentucky%2C+USA&mcId=c42001&sort=recommended

I came to DU after spending way too much time on facebook defending Hillary to all the Bernie supporters who have been trashing her for her corporate ties and Benghazi (Benghazi - still beating that dead horse??) and I was so fed up with it I thought I need to stay away from the masses of idiots on facebook and come to DU where the more intelligent and informed hang out.... sad to see the Bernie supporters here are also smearing Hillary with the same GOP/Koch Brothers propaganda. Please, Hillary has done so much good in her time as FLOTUS, as a two term senator and as Secretary of State. She has a very impressive list of accomplishments of things she has done to help veterans, first responders, children, women, etc. There is no need to continue spreading the hateful lies of the GOP. Vote Bernie if you want but don't help the GOP smear Hillary. yes I know she has ties to Corporate America, do I like it? no. Did she vote for iraq war? yeah, but so did Feinstein and plenty of others who bought the lies that Bush/Cheney were selling. Hillary isn't perfect. Obama (who I think has been a great president) wasn't perfect either. And Bernie isn't the perfect saint you all are making him out to be either. His stance on gun control is not okay.

Be careful, with your low post count, you might come across as a campaign operative.