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Daily Kos founder Mark Moulitsas: We lost Wisconsin because of the youth vote they couldn't vote (Original Post) bigdarryl Jun 2012 OP
Weren't they able to vote in their home districts? nt Marcia Brady Jun 2012 #1
I think school had just let out and in order to vote in there home town they had to be there 45 days bigdarryl Jun 2012 #3
Here's some info Tx4obama Jun 2012 #8
Couldn't they have voted either absentee ballot or via early voting in the college town? Bake Jun 2012 #14
Here's a link with info Tx4obama Jun 2012 #7
Disenfranchisement of college students is every bit as important to the repukes kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #2
The 28 day residency period was a very much expected problem. College Dem organizations HereSince1628 Jun 2012 #4
Well, the problem is Republicans DON'T WANT them to vote... polichick Jun 2012 #5
The problem with the timing was known for months. It's true R's like suppressing dem votes HereSince1628 Jun 2012 #11
Perhaps the country will have to hit rock bottom before young citizens... polichick Jun 2012 #15
It's not by any means just young people. There are lots of identifiable demographics HereSince1628 Jun 2012 #16
imo people should be fined for not voting... polichick Jun 2012 #17
I don't advocate punishing nonvoters...I wanted to say it's not just the young HereSince1628 Jun 2012 #18
Couldn't or wouldn't? Retrograde Jun 2012 #19
Its 28 days, not 45. HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #6
the university of WI alone has over 50k dsc Jun 2012 #10
I can tell you firsthand...Efforts really were made to get students to vote early in Madtown HereSince1628 Jun 2012 #12
Also in Milwaukee dragonlady Jun 2012 #28
And all the others add up to 150,000? HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #20
200,000 votes....what world does he live in? madrchsod Jun 2012 #9
Several thousand, yes. HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #21
their town. n/t ProfessionalLeftist Jun 2012 #13
200,000? 414 Jun 2012 #22
Count the votes NinetyNinePercenter Jun 2012 #23
This is actually good news Nancy Waterman Jun 2012 #24
that and the timing. A recall election in the summer when school is out was not smart. WI_DEM Jun 2012 #25
The reason Wisconsin was lost Domingo Tavella Jun 2012 #26
However, support for public employees to collectively bargain WAS THE REASON for the recalls. HereSince1628 Jun 2012 #27
The unions lost ... GeorgeGist Jun 2012 #29
 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
3. I think school had just let out and in order to vote in there home town they had to be there 45 days
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 06:49 PM
Jun 2012

That's the stupidity of this new law.I'm surprised this hasn't gone to court for singling out a group of voters just because there collage students.Of coarse the Wisconsin Supreme Court is stacked with right wing nuts

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
8. Here's some info
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 07:00 PM
Jun 2012



--snip--

Section 12 of the new law increases the time period a citizen must live in one location in order to register there from 10 days to 28 days. Though seemingly innocuous, the problem is that the five largest colleges in Wisconsin — University of Wisconsin-Madison (40,000 students), University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee (27,500 students), Marquette University (11,500 students), University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh (11,500 students), and University of Wisconsin-Whitewater (11,000 students) — all had their graduations either the weekend of May 12 or the weekend of May 19, 24 days and 17 days ago, respectively.

Therefore, any student at these schools who registered to vote at school but is now home for the summer will not be permitted to update their registration at their parents’ house because they will have been home for less than 28 days. Under the old law, a student not on campus for the summer would have been permitted to update her registration at the polls and vote because she will have been home (or elsewhere off-campus) for more than 10 days.

-snip-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125143065

Bake

(21,977 posts)
14. Couldn't they have voted either absentee ballot or via early voting in the college town?
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 07:55 PM
Jun 2012

Or did that go away as well?

Bake

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
2. Disenfranchisement of college students is every bit as important to the repukes
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 06:44 PM
Jun 2012

as is disenfranchisement of minorities.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
4. The 28 day residency period was a very much expected problem. College Dem organizations
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 06:52 PM
Jun 2012

had meetings at many colleges and universities to help students decide how to ensure they could vote. Early absentee voting was an approach chosen by many.

There really does need to be a recognition that students have this unusual pattern of residency--in one place during the school year and in another during the off-school months. Wisconsin deals with soldiers whose residency moves around in a similar manner. It should do the same with college/university students. The state granted the right to vote to these young people the state needs to create a path that enables voting.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
5. Well, the problem is Republicans DON'T WANT them to vote...
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 06:55 PM
Jun 2012

"Should" doesn't enter into it - just like morality and justice have no place in Republican politics.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
11. The problem with the timing was known for months. It's true R's like suppressing dem votes
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 07:45 PM
Jun 2012

but in this case it's also true that efforts were made to overcome the foreseeable.

I'm pretty certain that the young people who were paying attention and who were committed to voting, did get a chance to cast a ballot.

The casual approach to voting...maybe I will, maybe I won't, I don't need to do anything now...OH I WANT TO VOTE IN THIS ONE!!!!, typical of many demographics of dem leaning voters is a ticket to being disenfranchised. It would be great to grant everyone a vote who hasn't yet got a purple thumb, but that isn't they way it's done in WI, where we have some of the most progressive approaches to same day registration and voting in the nation.





polichick

(37,152 posts)
15. Perhaps the country will have to hit rock bottom before young citizens...
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 08:56 PM
Jun 2012

...consistently vote.

That said, I do understand the apathy. Both parties are filled with corporate whores and the system is corrupt ~ hell, our votes aren't even verifiable. Problem is, nothing will change until the people have had enough.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
16. It's not by any means just young people. There are lots of identifiable demographics
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 08:58 PM
Jun 2012

that vote 'casually'.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
17. imo people should be fined for not voting...
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 09:01 PM
Jun 2012

They do that in Australia, don't they?

That's not likely to happen here.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
18. I don't advocate punishing nonvoters...I wanted to say it's not just the young
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 09:03 PM
Jun 2012

who approach voting very casually.

Retrograde

(10,137 posts)
19. Couldn't or wouldn't?
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 10:30 PM
Jun 2012

Does Wisconsin not have absentee voting provisions for people who know they'll be away for an election? Or early voting? What does it take to get students and other young people to vote?

I'm getting tired of excuses: Oh, the evile Republicans are surpressing the vote! It's so hard to get to the polling place! I don't have the time! Yes, the GOP wants to keep turnout low, and wants to make it difficult to register, but the OP is talking about college students, who I expect to be somewhat educated and informed. Maybe I'm just naive. Maybe it's because I'm old enough to have registered back in the old days when registration required physically showing up at the county registrar's office, birth certificate in hand, during business hours. Maybe we need to have Romney elected in November and have the Republican congress bring back the draft to fight his war with Iran to get students active again.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
6. Its 28 days, not 45.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 06:56 PM
Jun 2012

And of course it would only apply to students who had used a temporary address to register (dorm or apartment), and wouldnt have affected students with permanent housing or had registered with their home address. Lastly, does Wis even have 200,000 college students?

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
12. I can tell you firsthand...Efforts really were made to get students to vote early in Madtown
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 07:48 PM
Jun 2012

We did work that issue for over a month before school ended.

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
28. Also in Milwaukee
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 01:25 PM
Jun 2012

There were voter registration drives at UW-Milwaukee and Milwaukee Area Technical College. Both of these have a high proportion of students who live in Milwaukee, so they should have been able to vote at their home wards. The emphasis on early voting was also strong, with a large fleet of vans taking people downtown to vote at City Hall.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
20. And all the others add up to 150,000?
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 01:05 AM
Jun 2012

Just wondering.
And of course, the 200,000 figure assumes every student was.denied the chance to vote, and every one would have voted for Barrett. My point is, restricting the student vote cost maybe a few thousand votes... not 200K. Therefore thats not why the recall failed.

414

(6 posts)
22. 200,000?
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 06:19 AM
Jun 2012

That's doubtful....I just don't see it.

Would need further proof to believe this.

I thought you could register (re-register) at the polling stations.

23. Count the votes
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 08:21 AM
Jun 2012

In the 2009 NJ governor election my vote was almost suppressed because the registrar said my signature didn't look like the one I originally signed up with. It was resolved but the person at the poll was a tea party member because I saw them get in their car later and it had a McCain sticker on it.

I often wonder how many people were denied the right to vote in NJ that resulted in getting a fat cat right wing 1%er in office. Christie has ruined the state. Corzine was doing a good job.

Nancy Waterman

(6,407 posts)
24. This is actually good news
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 08:44 AM
Jun 2012

It means the money was less of a factor than we thought. This issue won't matter in November.

 

Domingo Tavella

(41 posts)
26. The reason Wisconsin was lost
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 09:30 AM
Jun 2012

is that unionized workers are less than one in six of the workforce. Billionaires could easily influence the outcome because the people of Wisconsin for the most part don't have a stake in collective bargaining and don't care what happens to public employees since most are not public employees. As for the youth vote, most young people have other things in their minds and never show up.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
27. However, support for public employees to collectively bargain WAS THE REASON for the recalls.
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 12:02 PM
Jun 2012

And back in February and March the protests included many non-union households and included traditional Republicans who felt the anti-union measure had nothing to do with balancing the budgets (it was all proposed under the "Budget Repair Bill&quot .

So the rejection was strong and broad-based 16 months ago. Somehow that support wasn't maintained.

In general I agree that the public isn't as supportive of unions because unions have shrunk.

When one thing is down and another thing goes down, it's very easy to say that both are down together because they are related. The may be related, but the relationship isn't necessarily causal.

There are multiple asymmetries between the pro-Recall and pro-Walker movements, each of those differences may contain some of the explanation for what happened. There were multiple curiosities that emerged and each of those may contain some of the explanation for what happened.

It seems to me that there are likely multiple projects over the next months and years that are going to struggle to understand the relative importance of all influences. At this point it seems that much of what's being wagged are explanations that are strongly biased by beliefs people had PRIOR to the actual recall. That's no way to approach the issue scientifically.

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