and doesn't like you.

at all, and it is no surprise that if nothing but name recognition, every Democrat knows Hillary.

I do believe after the first several debates, will paint a much more accurate picture.

There is no question about it though, at this point in time she is the favored Democratic candidate, and the polls echo that

change negatives of RW Fox propaganda viewers

...his poll numbers will probably improve.

We are not all stupid

increase DAILY and by the time January rolls around, it'll be pretty certain that Bernie will capture the nomination.

His positions poll positively with 2/3 of the electorate. He has the most appeal EVER in a candidate.

This poll is factual evidence of the opposite of what you just said. Where are you getting your facts? Or is this sarcasm?

they are estimates, guesses.

and sampling is too small to measure accurately. After the debates, more people will be focused and learning about their candidates, and the soft support will be disappearing after that for Clinton.

The claim that statistics are just a guess and the samples are too small is just not supported. Yes the poll could be wrong, but the 95 percent requirement for statistical relevance is actually really high.

It shows an utter lack of education on statistics to say that. Was Nate Silver the luckiest guesser alive in 2008 and 2012 when he missed only one or two races?

Not encouraging for the Bern.

support he will gain. When Hillary starts debating and campaigning her support will drop. As it did in 2008

Sanders is not Obama. In Texas, Sanders would need to get 15% of the vote to get any delegates and it will be interesting to see if he makes that threshold.

Why would she = Obama?

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and change and was sick of the bushs and politics as usual. She's likable enough but that's about as far as it goes Hillary can't campaign very well at all and when she actually has to get out and campaign because other candidates are taking all the oxygen out of the room she will implode, just like she did in 2008.

...then they count.

And if Bernie poses no threat to Hillary, why are all her supporters acting so desparate?

Your arguments aren't going to convince a single Sanders supporter, you are only convincing yourselves. I'm fine where Sanders is right now...he's started from scratch, with no name recognition. He's accomplished much in 3 months...far better than I expected. His trends look good. He's drawing huge enthusiastic crowds. Debates coming up...hell do fine in them and only further increase his exposure.

64% of Latinos would vote for Hillary.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251449163

That "twice as much of an applause" was a ridiculous claim to start with. Then it was revealed that BS spoke in a small room, while Hillary and O'Maley spoke in a balleoon that was packed. So that piece of news wad at best misleading at worst, just dishonest.

make a bit of difference to those who think that Sanders getting enthusiastic ovations for a speech is more important than losing 6-1 or in some cases more like 8-1 among Hispanics in the polls.

That "twice as much of an applause" was a ridiculous claim to start with.

Once you factor in that the "enthusiastic" response was from 400 compared to the over 2000 that went to see Hillary, that makes that comment even more odd.

Some of the stuff that comes from the Sanders supporters here is just...weird. Looking at the front page of DU, it's as clear as can be who is desperate. I rec every single positive pro-Bernie post I can because I like the guy quite a bit. I've done very little rec'ing on pro-Bernie posts because so many are so negative and are much more concerned with trashing Hillary than boosting their candidate.

it's like when they ask why we support Hillary. We tell them then next thing we know a new thread starts saying that Hillary supporters can never say why we support her.

And calling Sen Sanders "The Berninator" or "Bernie Wan Kenobi"? talk about weird. It's like he really has magic, and superpowers.

For example, Republicans who believed that people must pull themselves up by their bootstraps (and voted accordingly), heard Bernie and suddenly now believe in economic justice, and "Robin Hood" taxes...that's some superpower. Remarkable.

The sad thing is that the same people who talk so adoringly about him, will be the first ones who will turn on him when he's unable to deliver on his promises if he won...which I really, really doubt.

Actually in a Hispanic only poll by Univision he is losing Hispanics 24-1:

His support is an inch wide and a mile deep. Look at the passion he engenders on this board.

I doubt it but we already know he's losing Latinos 24-1:

http://huelladigital.univisionnoticias.com/the-latin-vote/

and African Americans 36-1

http://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/7_15_2015_tables.pdf


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I doubt all these guesses

eom

I think I am going to have a beer to celebrate, a 40.

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Always keep in mind that the MSM are corporate people who will take in a lot less in campaign advertising revenue if Bernie were to win the Dem nomination.


rocktivity

In the meantime, goodbye.

where was he, where is he, and where does he look like he's heading?

It's never good for a candidate to more worried about their opponents support then their own.

I don't base my vote on what the herd "thinks".

But I wouldn't vote for him based on popularity either.

Bernie Sanders does not have a negative side. Everything he has done as a politician has been for
the people. As he is saying, we need a political revolution. HRC is just more of the same.

Fred75

Anything else is just weird.

The People are their own worst enemy.

Good work, M$M!

I plan on voting for him six times in the first four primaries.

unlikely to be mitigated with his becoming 'inauthentic,' which would very possibly turn off his core base.

in the country.

Still ain't voting for Hillary. EVA!

The 23% negative shows, generally, how out of touch DU is with the general Democratic voter, and will be almost impossible to overcome. I think the standard line is to wait until the debates, but voters will have solidified their opinions by then. I can't see the debates propelling Sanders to a miracle victory.

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I question polling in this case ...

Bernie obviously is attracting interest in the real world ... He is the hottest ticket in politics today ...

If that doesn't translate into real support, then all is lost, but we won't know that until the clock runs out ...

Do NOT be discouraged by these negative anti-Bernie posters ... We will win if we focus on the objective ...

Electing a true man of the people ... Bernie Sanders is that man ...

You made your case for your guy without trashing the other guy or gal.


Thank you.

I aspire to it but sometimes fall short. But it seems we are reaching across a little more and I feel you have been instrumental in that.

the more i see these anti-bernie post
the more i think that he has you guys worried

that a Beltway Establishment rag would put a negative spin on Bernie's burgeoning momentum!

about the largest voting bloc, Independents at 40%?

but usually vote along party lines.

not "want to affiliate with a party"?

because they are disillusioned with the party they formerly associated with. There was a poll/survey done in NH I think around 2004 that had some pretty good analysis about independent "leaners" and their voting patterns (reliably voted for the party they leaned towards almost as much as partisans).

Here's an article that discusses it if you are interested, or you could google independent voters not independent there is quite a bit out there.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/04/most-independent-voters-arent-really

Most Independent Voters Aren't, Really

—By Kevin Drum

I write from time to time about the myth of the independent voter, which goes something like this: there aren't any. Oh, lots of people say they're independent, but it turns out that most of them lean in one direction or another, and when Election Day rolls around the leaners vote just as reliably as stone partisans. True independents—the ones who switch between parties from election to election—make up only about 10 percent of the electorate.