Hillary, one of the most stirring public speakers of our time, gets a lot of endorsements from leading Dems, and doesn't call himself a "socialist", then he has a chance of squeaking out a very close victory.

But probably not. Obama wasn't nearly as far behind at this point.

Dems? No. Liberal dems? No. Men? No. Women? No. White? No. Black? No. Poor? No. Rich? No.

Maybe if they polled pot-smoking bearded hipsters from Vermont, it would be a statistical tie.

Biden has echoed Bernie's call to refuse those bribes just this week. I wonder why Biden chose to do that right after the release of the figures on the donations to candidates. It felt like he was warning us. Like Bernie.

To Obama in every detail, except for not being the designated anti-Clinton. If the media start supporting Sanders in the same way they supported Obama it will be a real race.

Just don't sit down on your pant load.

I was thinking them! I always use archaic expressions that no one else uses. I could not agree with you more.

If Joe Biden jumped in the race tomorrow, Hillary would still win the primaries and Bernie would be the forgotten man.

Was because he had support in the media and Hillary didn't I think the only way Sanders could defeat Clinton is the same way.

It was much deeper than that.

Obama said FDR purposely allowed the great depression to worsen, between the election and his inauguration, in a cynical bid to increase his own popularity. Obama said this in his own defense for selling us out to the Bush administration and the banks.

And will poll better, and it won't be much of a horse race after the debates. I also expect to see your avatar change at some point in the fall/winter.

Only be fun if a democrat wins and only then if Obama hasn't poisoned the well before he leaves office.

Who know he may still get his grand bargain.

I suspect he'll do poorly in any debate with Clinton.

to the winner of the August debates....

Now you like Sanders, or is it just you like Obama more?

Pick an issue in which Obama has been to the left of Sanders and delivered on his promise. Obama and his administration were ridiculing Elizabeth Warren not Bernie Sanders.

Who decides the winner of a debate? After each Gore/Bush debate the immediate reaction was that Gore had won but just days later the consensus was that Bush was the winner. How could that be?

I know you're just trolling me, but please treat that last question seriously.

won't let anyone see the contents of TPP, kicked out public option or even single payer supporters from the tables in regards to PPACA (HeritageCare), fail to keep any of his promises regarding the withdrawal of the military (We still have boots on the ground in both Afghanistan and Iraq), yeah, I fail to see how Obama is to the left of Sanders on anything and accomplished it. ENDA. Lily Ledbetter. I can think of more that he failed to follow up on.

When I sad Bernie Sanders was superior to Obama you denigrated my comment with a great deal of snark.

What was it about my comment that so incensed you?

I can't think of a soul who was born on this planet.

Was PBO losing African Americans to HRC 36-1:



http://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/7_15_2015_tables.pdf


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at any point in the campaign?



and losing Hispanics 24-1 :


http://huelladigital.univisionnoticias.com/the-latin-vote/



at any point in the campaign?



Oh, according to your own link PBO was down nine points in the Gallup Poll this time in the 08 election cycle .Sanders is down around 46:


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

she has many black people working with her and seeks endorsements from black people .

Clinton's been in the public eye since 1992 (Longer, for Arkansans... Arkansasers? Er...) She's known, she's damilair, she comes readily to mind when someone talks about democrats. Sanders by comparison, is a senator from Vermont who is only really recently catching greater public notice. I think in this regard he can be best compared to John Kerry, who set out as "Senator from Massachusetts."

I think black voters are motivated this election cycle and will look at all the candidates. Mainstream media exposure, such as debates, will give us all a good look at how the candidates compare to one another. I expect Bernie's and O'Malley's numbers across the board to go up with exposure, and Hillary's to go down, after the original name-recognition gives way to policy considerations.

From what I see, most of our AA community is dedicated to being "undecided." and taking good hard looks at all three main candidates.

Nobody is entitled to anyone's votes - they must be earned.

Obama was at 20 percent 13 months out.

Gotta remember that the Democratic Primary in 2008 had plenty of candidates beyond the two who ended up spending the last four month clobbering each other.

But history is going to repeat itself in 2016, as it did for 2008. Does not bode very well for Clinton, especially in the downward trend since she announced, and Bernie's trend continue to rise, just like Obama did..

Either time. And no one has ever blown such a big start.

The problem is, she's not saying anything big and bold, and she has never done anything big and bold, except run for president.

Possibly a lot of Amendments, but if we're talking about accomplishments...

a single message for decades.

Hillary has been running for office for decades.

President of the United States, so there's that . . .

She probably was afraid someone would....


^^^^ Yes...pure conjecture. But it amuses me. What can I say, I like to laugh.

Gore lead Bradley by more in 2000, than Hillary lead Obama by in 2008. And we see how Gore did.

That's the important race.

Sanders doesn't have the money raising capability that Obama had.