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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 05:20 PM Jul 2015

Liberal Dems Like Hillary Clinton More Than Bernie Sanders

Among Liberal Dems:

Clinton - 86% Favorable

Sanders - 48% Favorable

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Clinton better liked than Sanders among Democrats, including liberals

Liberal Democrats have fueled Sanders's rise in early states. And in this poll, liberals are also most the positive about him -- a plus-29 net favorability rating (percent favorable minus percent unfavorable). But Clinton shows very little weakness among liberal Democrats, with a net favorability rating of plus-73 that actually outpaces her standing among moderate and conservative Democrats (plus-62)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/07/16/bernie-sanderss-limited-appeal-even-to-democrats/

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Liberal Dems Like Hillary Clinton More Than Bernie Sanders (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 OP
But that internet poll says the opposite! Hmmmmm... Walk away Jul 2015 #1
Population is everything. tymorial Jul 2015 #2
"FREEFALL!" JaneyVee Jul 2015 #3
Not this Liberal Dem, RoccoR5955 Jul 2015 #4
"50 or 60 people who I know around town" is not a scientific poll. Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #5
I don't know what constitutes a "scientific" poll RoccoR5955 Jul 2015 #6
It's a poll that randomly samples the population Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #8
Off topic point K lib Jul 2015 #22
Not this liberal Dem either...n/t monmouth4 Jul 2015 #15
Try asking leftist Dems. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #7
Every sub-demographic ever polled prefers Hillary to Bernie. DanTex Jul 2015 #9
23 years of Hillary seeking the office madokie Jul 2015 #11
Hillary has been seeking the Presidency for 23 years? Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #13
She let it be known early on that she would like to be President madokie Jul 2015 #14
The interesting thing is that in those 7 weeks Bernie already has higher negatives DanTex Jul 2015 #25
maybe it's because of the gun issue JI7 Jul 2015 #28
That could be. People on DU want to gloss over it, but for the most part Dems take gun violence DanTex Jul 2015 #30
Lol Alittleliberal Jul 2015 #35
I've explained the whole gun immunity thing at length here: DanTex Jul 2015 #36
That makes sense. Bernie appears opportunistic in his timing. R B Garr Jul 2015 #42
And the worst depth of support of any D candidate Recursion Jul 2015 #43
The single, the one, the ONLY group that Bernie polls higher than Clinton on is very liberal liberal Number23 Jul 2015 #10
7 weeks got Bernie and 23 years for Hillary madokie Jul 2015 #16
Nothing in this post makes any sense. Number23 Jul 2015 #17
Bernie hasn't had sights on the white house all those years though madokie Jul 2015 #19
How do you know long anybody's been wanting to run? Number23 Jul 2015 #23
I'm a Liberal Democrat and I support Hillary Clinton BooScout Jul 2015 #12
How about among Democratic Socialists?? DCBob Jul 2015 #18
How many progressive dems think of themselves as liberal? HereSince1628 Jul 2015 #20
You forgot the "neo." nt LWolf Jul 2015 #21
Except for the ones who don't whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #24
Indeed, but.... Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #26
Yes, polls... whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #29
Here's a good poll rating page Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #31
Then they aren't liberal Joe Turner Jul 2015 #27
What Joe said. Nt. Juicy_Bellows Jul 2015 #33
Then they are not liberal regardless of what category they have been inserted into. GoneFishin Jul 2015 #32
This does not surprise me Gothmog Jul 2015 #34
This leftist dem will not be fooled by the RNC and its sock pockets in the press. McCamy Taylor Jul 2015 #37
Interesting perspective. Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #38
You forgot "So there (insert raspberry sound here)". cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #39
This page of the poll shows 45% unfavorable Hillary, 45% no opinion for Bernie. madfloridian Jul 2015 #40
I believe that. I know i am to the left of who i view as "liberal DEMS". m-lekktor Jul 2015 #41
Polls schmolls 99Forever Jul 2015 #44
Hillary has 100% name recognition. Bernie, not so much. He has upside potential which is why.... En Garde Jul 2015 #45

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
1. But that internet poll says the opposite! Hmmmmm...
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 05:31 PM
Jul 2015

The Washington Post/ABC News poll or the poll from the internet????? Which one should I believe??? More

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
4. Not this Liberal Dem,
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 05:44 PM
Jul 2015

Nor the 50 or 60 people who I know around town here.
Besides, it is STILL too early to take stock in these polls. The primaries are not for at least 7 months.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
5. "50 or 60 people who I know around town" is not a scientific poll.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 05:46 PM
Jul 2015

I prefer to follow scientific polls.

But I do agree that polling this far out doesn't mean much. It's for the political junkies.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
6. I don't know what constitutes a "scientific" poll
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 05:53 PM
Jul 2015

Is that one that uses quantum mechanics to come up with whatever outcome the folks who commission wanted?
Don't people realize that they craft these questions to get whatever outcome they want? Just follow the money.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
8. It's a poll that randomly samples the population
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:20 PM
Jul 2015

Asking 50 or 60 people you know would not constitute a random sample.

K lib

(153 posts)
22. Off topic point
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:02 PM
Jul 2015

But in quantum mechanics a particle can be in all of its subatomic states at the same time. It is only the act of measuring in which the outcome is certain. You cant influence the outcome.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
11. 23 years of Hillary seeking the office
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:36 PM
Jul 2015

compared to 7 weeks or so for Bernie. Yeah thats the ticket.
Bernie has this one you watch and see. We're months away from the first ballots so lets see that the numbers are once we get a tad closer.

Hillary has had her eye on the Presidency for years, Bernie, Martin or Lincoln not so much.
My money is on Benie

madokie

(51,076 posts)
14. She let it be known early on that she would like to be President
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:53 PM
Jul 2015

early after bill walked into the oval office. I get that number from paying attention to the last 23 years if you must know.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
25. The interesting thing is that in those 7 weeks Bernie already has higher negatives
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:24 PM
Jul 2015

among Dems (and among liberal Dems even) than Hillary has amassed over her 23 years. Go figure.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
30. That could be. People on DU want to gloss over it, but for the most part Dems take gun violence
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:44 PM
Jul 2015

seriously.

Alittleliberal

(528 posts)
35. Lol
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 09:37 PM
Jul 2015

You want to take a serious approach to gun control? As a rural liberal gun owner I'm all for it! Lets institute background checks, bullet limits, training requirements, waiting periods. Whatever works. Lets ban some types of guns, make laws about when and where you can have them and offer buybacks. Lets deal with our mental health problems, culture of violence and accepted racism too. What we can't do is allow people to sue people for something that is legal under the current laws. That is an irresponsibly dangerous precedent.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
36. I've explained the whole gun immunity thing at length here:
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 09:46 PM
Jul 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12629325

As far as the politics go, with NRA talking points you might convince yourself and some of the hardcore pro-Bernie people that giving legal immunity to corporations is a good idea. But for most Democrats, gun violence is a serious problem and this kind of giveaway to the NRA doesn't play well.

R B Garr

(16,965 posts)
42. That makes sense. Bernie appears opportunistic in his timing.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 04:00 PM
Jul 2015

He's had 30 years to grab more of the national spotlight, but he never bothered until now after others have worked to shed old stereotypes that would have prevented him from being taken seriously. Now he's swooping in for the limelight.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
43. And the worst depth of support of any D candidate
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 08:02 PM
Jul 2015

One fifth of Democrats say they would never vote for him.

That's a bad hole to start from

Number23

(24,544 posts)
10. The single, the one, the ONLY group that Bernie polls higher than Clinton on is very liberal liberal
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:33 PM
Jul 2015

And even then, it's only 47% to 43%.

Someone posted a Nate Silver poll that showed that Sanders support is more about Sanders and -- despite the endless, incessant howls on DU -- very little about Hillary or the Dem party. Every single poll seems to bear that truth out. Hillary's approval numbers are not moving and even when Sanders' numbers go up a bit, Hillary's don't move.

That's the definition of a candidate who is pulling in voters because voters are thrilled with his message and not because he's the anti-Hillary or anti-Dem. Again, despite the endless howls of the darlings on DU.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
16. 7 weeks got Bernie and 23 years for Hillary
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:55 PM
Jul 2015

Grand you many have been encouraging Bernie for a couple years now so you might can include those but Hillary has had her sights on the white house since Bill won.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
17. Nothing in this post makes any sense.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:57 PM
Jul 2015

And even if your "Hillary's been wanting to run for 23 years" was true, Bernie's still been in Congress for longer than that.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
19. Bernie hasn't had sights on the white house all those years though
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:00 PM
Jul 2015

What I said made perfect sense just not what you wanted to hear is all.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
23. How do you know long anybody's been wanting to run?
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:04 PM
Jul 2015

And between the typos and stuff you just made up, no nothing in your post made sense.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
20. How many progressive dems think of themselves as liberal?
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:00 PM
Jul 2015

I think I need to know that to correctly interpret the result.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
26. Indeed, but....
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:31 PM
Jul 2015

according to the poll, they are few and far between.

Liberal Dems seem to like Hillary very much.

 

Joe Turner

(930 posts)
27. Then they aren't liberal
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:31 PM
Jul 2015

or massively uninformed. Unless the term liberal has been changed to supporting wall street interests, while working with the republicans to take down the last remnants of the New Deal and Great Society social programs...like the current occupant is doing.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
32. Then they are not liberal regardless of what category they have been inserted into.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:47 PM
Jul 2015

You might as well claim that most vegetarians actually eat meat.

Gothmog

(145,433 posts)
34. This does not surprise me
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 09:18 PM
Jul 2015

I know some very very liberal people including my three children who are supporting Clinton over Sanders. I am liberal but at times my kids make me feel old and like a dinosaur

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
37. This leftist dem will not be fooled by the RNC and its sock pockets in the press.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 01:50 AM
Jul 2015

Why is the press touting the liberal Dem with the most general election vulnerabilities? Why did they ignore the Edwards campaign, calling his second place showing in Iowa a "last place"? Why Sanders and not O'Malley? Why McGovern and not Muskey?

I smell a rat. So do many other leftists.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
38. Interesting perspective.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 03:07 PM
Jul 2015

i never thought of it that way.

You're right....the right wing isn't touching Bernie while focusing fire on Hillary.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
41. I believe that. I know i am to the left of who i view as "liberal DEMS".
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 03:59 PM
Jul 2015

many leftists consider the term liberal a pejorative like they do conservative.

 

En Garde

(94 posts)
45. Hillary has 100% name recognition. Bernie, not so much. He has upside potential which is why....
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 08:24 PM
Jul 2015

.... the DNC is loathe to schedule debates, because they will only serve to highlight his superior grasp of the policy issues that matter most to ordinary Americans. Bernie is compelling because he speaks from the heart. Martin O' Malley is similarly charismatic.

Hillary will not come out well in a matchup against them so look for the Clinton Cabal to limit debates to ensure the upcoming coronation goes smoothly.

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