2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy Aren't We Talking About Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley?
Democrat O'Malley is a progressive's dream on the big issues, but he doesn't seem to be gaining any traction.
Just in the last two weeks, Martin O'Malley, who is running for the Democratic nomination for president of the United States, has demonstrated why -- theoretically, at least -- he's a progressive's dream candidate. He's batted around the Wall Street crowd. He's proposed extending the benefits of the Affordable Care Act to undocumented immigrants. He's proposed scaling back deportations. And, probably in conjunction with these two positions, he's gone out of his way to toss a serious elbow in the general direction of Donald Trump -- albeit one that probably cost him the votes of all the remaining Millard Fillmore partisans in the primary electorate.
"If Donald Trump wants to run for president on an
immigrant-bashing platform, he should go back to the 1840s and run for the
president of the Know-Nothing party."
He's put together a plan for a debt-free college education. He wants to expand Social Security, not "reform" it into some sort of sacrifice to the Deficit Moloch. He believes unequivocally that climate change is an existential threat to civilization. He is unalterably opposed to our old friend, the Keystone XL pipeline and to the Trans-Pacific Partnership. He's in favor of a revived Glass-Steagall Act. He boasts career-long opposition to the death penalty and career-long support for marriage equality. He's respectably charismatic, and he can be impressively wonkish; get him talking about the dangers of storm runoff to the Chesapeake Bay while he was governor of Maryland. . .
Some days, I truly believe that liberals are incapable of unfking themselves.
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a36487/why-arent-we-talking-about-presidential-candidate-martin-omalley/
London Lover Man
(371 posts)Lots of problems in Baltimore....
People aren't trusting the L&O candidates as much as they used to.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)O'Malley has had overwhelming support in both Baltimore and the State of Maryland. He reached out to people in Baltimore and throughout Maryland and gotten reelected with very strong approval ratings. He apologized publicly for what happened in Baltimore without being a demogogue. He's putting forth strong reform proposals for both the criminal justice system and Wall Street. For anyone interested in substantive policy proposals from someone who was mayor of a big city and a diverse state, I suggest taking a good look at the genuinely progressive Martin O'Malley.
London Lover Man
(371 posts)And that just doesn't poll very well these days vs Clinton.. more of the same..
elleng
(131,028 posts)I think you're mistaken. Please check him out here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1281
1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders (raised taxes on the rich).
9. Reformed Marylands tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nations most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.
Mother Jones magazine called him the best candidate on environmental issues.
Article here:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk
oasis
(49,395 posts)in time, he"ll get ample opportunities to show his stuff.
Yes, I think so too.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)but I would vote for O'Malley in a freaking heart beat if he becomes the nominee. He is NOT more of the same. He is a completely different animal than Hillary Clinton and HELL YES I would vote for him.
elleng
(131,028 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)elleng
(131,028 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)His record on some issues (e.g., his mass arrest policy as mayor of Baltimore) is not very good. The article in Esquire inaccurately says that his support for marriage equality is "career-long." In fact, he waffled on marriage equality and was once even booed off-stage at a LGBT event. He is no longer well-liked in Maryland. A lot of people don't find him authentic and suspect that his sudden turn to the left is just a campaign strategy. He made income taxes more progressive in MD, but he also added a lot of regressive taxes and fees, and maybe people feel that it will be too easy for the republicans to paint him as a tax-and-spend democrat. (Does that still work?)
On the bright side, I love his immigration stands, and I personally do feel that he is authentic on that issue. I also like the fact that he is a wonk. That indicates intelligence and seriousness about finding policies that work.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)I know that Bernie means what he says. With him in the race, why take a chance on O'Malley?
I noticed that when O'Malley was on All In, he had a tendency to fall into politician-speak: instead of answering a question, he'd say, "Chris..." and then pivot away into what was clearly a canned talking point. Ordinary people would say, "Yes, because..." or "No, because..." or "I don't think that's the right question, because..." He did better on Rachel's show, but still wasn't very convincing. He comes across as a status quo candidate trying very hard not to sound like a status quo candidate.
elleng
(131,028 posts)and appreciated him for NOT engaging in 'politician-speak.' And he would not 'trash' other candidates.
He is NOT a status-quo candidate, and nothing like 'cold oatmeal' to me. Look at these proposed programs: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251448712
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Not everyone shares your views.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)But then again, not everybody shares your view either. He has one thing over the others though, he has put forward actual plans to fix things, and that means a lot. He may not be as outspoken as Bernie, but he is pretty much saying the same things, and as I said, he has put his plans in writing so we can all see how his is going to fix the issues that are important to keep this country on track, and fix the problems we face.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)However I have not seen any actual plans of his showing me how he will fix the problems that we will be facing. If I have missed those plans, would you be so kind as to provide a link so I can read them.
Thank you.
elleng
(131,028 posts)NO 'sudden turn to the left,' with these actions in Maryland:
1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders (raised taxes on the rich).
9. Reformed Marylands tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nations most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.
Mother Jones magazine called him the best candidate on environmental issues.
Article here:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk
Repugs will call ANYONE 'tax and spend,' and some chastise him for what they call the 'rain tax,' which was a mechanism for complying with requirements from the U.S. EPA. A stormwater management fee was established via House Bill 987 (April 2012) and signed into law by then-governor Martin O'Malley, affecting the largest urban jurisdictions in Maryland (nine counties and the City of Baltimore) in order to meet the requirements of the federal Clean Water Act as it concerns the Chesapeake Bay watershed. The Tax Foundation states House Bill 987 "was passed in response to a decree by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) formally known as the Chesapeake Bay Total Maximum Daily Load, which identified mandatory reductions in nitrogen, phosphorus, and sediment that damage the Chesapeake Bay." This mandate from the EPA was mandated to the states of Maryland, New York, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and the District of Columbia. Maryland is the only state that has levied a tax to meet the EPAs standards.[2] According to the Chesapeake Bay Foundation, the fastest-growing source of bay water pollution from Maryland is currently stormwater runoff.[3][4] This tax, of course, does not tax rain but impervious surface square footage.
The law specifies that accrued funds must be used for specified stormwater pollution-related purposes.[5]
This law was modified in 2015 to make the county-assessed fees optional rather than mandatory while still holding the counties responsible for making progress on managing polluted runoff.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_tax
Vattel
(9,289 posts)A poll of Marylanders found that only a small percentage wanted to see him run for president. So he is not liked well enough to convince his own citizens that he should lead the nation.
Mother Jones magazine did not call him the best candidate on environmental issues. They said he "could have" the greenest credentials of any candidate. I know, that is nit-picking a bit.
I agree with you that the whole "rain tax" criticism of O'Malley is lame. Like I said, he made income taxes much more progressive, which is great. My only complaint is how much he increased regressive taxes and fees (e.g., cigarette and alcohol taxes, gasoline tax, toll fees, sales tax).
O'Malley has a lot of pluses. He has some minuses. Is he the best candidate? I am inclined to prefer Sanders, but I respect your support for O'Malley.
I appreciate his executive experience, and his planning efforts.
P.S., those 'pollsters' didn't ask me or my friends!
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)He is the only other "viable" candidate besides Bernie and Hillary. Not sure how/why Webb is polling so high.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)I have met Martin many times during various campaigns. I am very comfortable with Martin.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I really like him.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)that involved the word "fart" and thought better of it, because they are already gunning for all of us.
elleng
(131,028 posts)but last time 'someone' had a bit more oxygen!
SOME of us are hoping and trying to assure there's some around for others. One indication of success: My daughter and son in law told me and their friends they support Bernie.
JI7
(89,259 posts)the media no longer focuses on policy and is about sound bytes and fake controversy . this hurts candidates like O'Malley.
i think O'Malley is the type that needs to be VP in order to win the nomination as Gore did . otherwise they are overshadowed by others .
but i think he is going about things the best way for him. he is doing events around the country and talking directly to people .
elleng
(131,028 posts)significant executive experience:
1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders (raised taxes on the rich).
9. Reformed Marylands tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nations most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.
Mother Jones magazine called him the best candidate on environmental issues.
Article here:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk
JI7
(89,259 posts)it's about fake controversy and sound bytes . all the positives about him don't get much attention in today's media.
but he is doing the only thing he can with how things are.
elleng
(131,028 posts)He is, also, spending a lot of time in Iowa and NH, getting up close and personal experience and exposure that way.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)O'Malley is largely unknown nationally...
Bernie Sanders, OTOH, has had a social media pre-candidacy boomlet going on social media for more than a year before he got into the race. (A few years? I can't remember exactly when it began.)
O'Malley should have declared right after the congressional elections, or maybe even before that if he was serious about running. If he had I would think his numbers would be better now, and some of the people now with Bernie may have opted for him. Too late now.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)By hte by ellenG, I want to give you props to sticking to you candidate of choice and bringing us news and viewpoints about him, rather than a constant stream of shitbagging like so many others do with theirs (and i can't claim innocence )
elleng
(131,028 posts)I appreciate this.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)You are the best, elleng
elleng
(131,028 posts)With THAT, I'll hit the sack SMILING!