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elleng

(131,028 posts)
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:47 PM Jul 2015

Why Aren't We Talking About Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley?

Democrat O'Malley is a progressive's dream on the big issues, but he doesn't seem to be gaining any traction.

Just in the last two weeks, Martin O'Malley, who is running for the Democratic nomination for president of the United States, has demonstrated why -- theoretically, at least -- he's a progressive's dream candidate. He's batted around the Wall Street crowd. He's proposed extending the benefits of the Affordable Care Act to undocumented immigrants. He's proposed scaling back deportations. And, probably in conjunction with these two positions, he's gone out of his way to toss a serious elbow in the general direction of Donald Trump -- albeit one that probably cost him the votes of all the remaining Millard Fillmore partisans in the primary electorate.

"If Donald Trump wants to run for president on an
immigrant-bashing platform, he should go back to the 1840s and run for the
president of the Know-Nothing party."

He's put together a plan for a debt-free college education. He wants to expand Social Security, not "reform" it into some sort of sacrifice to the Deficit Moloch. He believes unequivocally that climate change is an existential threat to civilization. He is unalterably opposed to our old friend, the Keystone XL pipeline and to the Trans-Pacific Partnership. He's in favor of a revived Glass-Steagall Act. He boasts career-long opposition to the death penalty and career-long support for marriage equality. He's respectably charismatic, and he can be impressively wonkish; get him talking about the dangers of storm runoff to the Chesapeake Bay while he was governor of Maryland. . .

Some days, I truly believe that liberals are incapable of unfking themselves.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a36487/why-arent-we-talking-about-presidential-candidate-martin-omalley/

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Why Aren't We Talking About Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley? (Original Post) elleng Jul 2015 OP
+1 hedgehog Jul 2015 #1
The problem with O'Malley is his law & order platform in his term as a Mayor London Lover Man Jul 2015 #2
I think he's put those days behind him. lovemydog Jul 2015 #4
He may be progressive, but I view him as a centrist. London Lover Man Jul 2015 #5
What's centrist about these programs, which he did as Maryland governor? elleng Jul 2015 #7
Impressive. He deserves a real shot to make his case to voters. oasis Jul 2015 #31
Thanks. elleng Jul 2015 #33
I am a Sanders supporter Aerows Jul 2015 #18
Preach! arcane1 Jul 2015 #26
:thumbsup: elleng Jul 2015 #34
Martin O'Malley is a great candidate. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #24
THANKS, JaneyVee! elleng Jul 2015 #35
I am not sure why his campaign hasn't gained traction. Vattel Jul 2015 #3
All of this, plus: he has all the charisma of a bowl of cold oatmeal. winter is coming Jul 2015 #6
My reaction to that interview was quite different from yours, elleng Jul 2015 #9
I've seen the programs, and I know you think he's all that and a bag of chips. winter is coming Jul 2015 #10
True, not everyone does share that view Andy823 Jul 2015 #11
I think Bernie means what he says also Andy823 Jul 2015 #14
He IS well-liked in Maryland. I live here. elleng Jul 2015 #8
I live in Maryland too. Vattel Jul 2015 #15
Thanks. elleng Jul 2015 #16
Kick, I know I'd sure enjoy talking more about him. Agschmid Jul 2015 #12
I think that he should be second after Bernie Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #13
That's a good question. Aerows Jul 2015 #17
Good. elleng Jul 2015 #19
Hillary, Inc.'s Big Campaign sucks all the oxygen out. morningfog Jul 2015 #20
I was about to say something Aerows Jul 2015 #21
NOT the first time, elleng Jul 2015 #22
he is a policy wonk but doesn't stand out in any other way, and the media sucks JI7 Jul 2015 #23
Thanks, but he does stand out in other ways, elleng Jul 2015 #25
as i said , the media does not report on policies anymore JI7 Jul 2015 #27
And we're doing our best to help! elleng Jul 2015 #28
He waited too long to start. John Poet Jul 2015 #29
He's simply not my first choice Scootaloo Jul 2015 #30
Thanks, Scootaloo. elleng Jul 2015 #32
Scootaloo is right Aerows Jul 2015 #36
Oh THANKS, Aerows! elleng Jul 2015 #37
 

London Lover Man

(371 posts)
2. The problem with O'Malley is his law & order platform in his term as a Mayor
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:54 PM
Jul 2015

Lots of problems in Baltimore....

People aren't trusting the L&O candidates as much as they used to.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
4. I think he's put those days behind him.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:10 PM
Jul 2015

O'Malley has had overwhelming support in both Baltimore and the State of Maryland. He reached out to people in Baltimore and throughout Maryland and gotten reelected with very strong approval ratings. He apologized publicly for what happened in Baltimore without being a demogogue. He's putting forth strong reform proposals for both the criminal justice system and Wall Street. For anyone interested in substantive policy proposals from someone who was mayor of a big city and a diverse state, I suggest taking a good look at the genuinely progressive Martin O'Malley.

 

London Lover Man

(371 posts)
5. He may be progressive, but I view him as a centrist.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:12 PM
Jul 2015

And that just doesn't poll very well these days vs Clinton.. more of the same..

elleng

(131,028 posts)
7. What's centrist about these programs, which he did as Maryland governor?
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:29 PM
Jul 2015

I think you're mistaken. Please check him out here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1281

1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders (raised taxes on the rich).
9. Reformed Maryland’s tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.

Mother Jones magazine called him the best candidate on environmental issues.
Article here:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk

oasis

(49,395 posts)
31. Impressive. He deserves a real shot to make his case to voters.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 01:07 AM
Jul 2015

in time, he"ll get ample opportunities to show his stuff.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
18. I am a Sanders supporter
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 12:27 AM
Jul 2015

but I would vote for O'Malley in a freaking heart beat if he becomes the nominee. He is NOT more of the same. He is a completely different animal than Hillary Clinton and HELL YES I would vote for him.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
3. I am not sure why his campaign hasn't gained traction.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:03 PM
Jul 2015

His record on some issues (e.g., his mass arrest policy as mayor of Baltimore) is not very good. The article in Esquire inaccurately says that his support for marriage equality is "career-long." In fact, he waffled on marriage equality and was once even booed off-stage at a LGBT event. He is no longer well-liked in Maryland. A lot of people don't find him authentic and suspect that his sudden turn to the left is just a campaign strategy. He made income taxes more progressive in MD, but he also added a lot of regressive taxes and fees, and maybe people feel that it will be too easy for the republicans to paint him as a tax-and-spend democrat. (Does that still work?)

On the bright side, I love his immigration stands, and I personally do feel that he is authentic on that issue. I also like the fact that he is a wonk. That indicates intelligence and seriousness about finding policies that work.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
6. All of this, plus: he has all the charisma of a bowl of cold oatmeal.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:16 PM
Jul 2015

I know that Bernie means what he says. With him in the race, why take a chance on O'Malley?

I noticed that when O'Malley was on All In, he had a tendency to fall into politician-speak: instead of answering a question, he'd say, "Chris..." and then pivot away into what was clearly a canned talking point. Ordinary people would say, "Yes, because..." or "No, because..." or "I don't think that's the right question, because..." He did better on Rachel's show, but still wasn't very convincing. He comes across as a status quo candidate trying very hard not to sound like a status quo candidate.

elleng

(131,028 posts)
9. My reaction to that interview was quite different from yours,
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:44 PM
Jul 2015

and appreciated him for NOT engaging in 'politician-speak.' And he would not 'trash' other candidates.

He is NOT a status-quo candidate, and nothing like 'cold oatmeal' to me. Look at these proposed programs: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251448712

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
10. I've seen the programs, and I know you think he's all that and a bag of chips.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:41 PM
Jul 2015

Not everyone shares your views.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
11. True, not everyone does share that view
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:47 PM
Jul 2015

But then again, not everybody shares your view either. He has one thing over the others though, he has put forward actual plans to fix things, and that means a lot. He may not be as outspoken as Bernie, but he is pretty much saying the same things, and as I said, he has put his plans in writing so we can all see how his is going to fix the issues that are important to keep this country on track, and fix the problems we face.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
14. I think Bernie means what he says also
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:50 PM
Jul 2015

However I have not seen any actual plans of his showing me how he will fix the problems that we will be facing. If I have missed those plans, would you be so kind as to provide a link so I can read them.

Thank you.

elleng

(131,028 posts)
8. He IS well-liked in Maryland. I live here.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:35 PM
Jul 2015

NO 'sudden turn to the left,' with these actions in Maryland:

1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders (raised taxes on the rich).
9. Reformed Maryland’s tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.

Mother Jones magazine called him the best candidate on environmental issues.
Article here:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk

Repugs will call ANYONE 'tax and spend,' and some chastise him for what they call the 'rain tax,' which was a mechanism for complying with requirements from the U.S. EPA. A stormwater management fee was established via House Bill 987 (April 2012) and signed into law by then-governor Martin O'Malley, affecting the largest urban jurisdictions in Maryland (nine counties and the City of Baltimore) in order to meet the requirements of the federal Clean Water Act as it concerns the Chesapeake Bay watershed. The Tax Foundation states House Bill 987 "was passed in response to a decree by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) formally known as the Chesapeake Bay Total Maximum Daily Load, which identified mandatory reductions in nitrogen, phosphorus, and sediment that damage the Chesapeake Bay." This mandate from the EPA was mandated to the states of Maryland, New York, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and the District of Columbia. Maryland is the only state that has levied a tax to meet the EPA’s standards.[2] According to the Chesapeake Bay Foundation, the fastest-growing source of bay water pollution from Maryland is currently stormwater runoff.[3][4] This tax, of course, does not tax rain but impervious surface square footage.
The law specifies that accrued funds must be used for specified stormwater pollution-related purposes.[5]
This law was modified in 2015 to make the county-assessed fees optional rather than mandatory while still holding the counties responsible for making progress on managing polluted runoff.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_tax

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
15. I live in Maryland too.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 12:16 AM
Jul 2015

A poll of Marylanders found that only a small percentage wanted to see him run for president. So he is not liked well enough to convince his own citizens that he should lead the nation.

Mother Jones magazine did not call him the best candidate on environmental issues. They said he "could have" the greenest credentials of any candidate. I know, that is nit-picking a bit.

I agree with you that the whole "rain tax" criticism of O'Malley is lame. Like I said, he made income taxes much more progressive, which is great. My only complaint is how much he increased regressive taxes and fees (e.g., cigarette and alcohol taxes, gasoline tax, toll fees, sales tax).

O'Malley has a lot of pluses. He has some minuses. Is he the best candidate? I am inclined to prefer Sanders, but I respect your support for O'Malley.

elleng

(131,028 posts)
16. Thanks.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 12:22 AM
Jul 2015

I appreciate his executive experience, and his planning efforts.

P.S., those 'pollsters' didn't ask me or my friends!

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
12. Kick, I know I'd sure enjoy talking more about him.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:48 PM
Jul 2015

He is the only other "viable" candidate besides Bernie and Hillary. Not sure how/why Webb is polling so high.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
13. I think that he should be second after Bernie
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:48 PM
Jul 2015

I have met Martin many times during various campaigns. I am very comfortable with Martin.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
21. I was about to say something
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 12:35 AM
Jul 2015

that involved the word "fart" and thought better of it, because they are already gunning for all of us.

elleng

(131,028 posts)
22. NOT the first time,
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 12:37 AM
Jul 2015

but last time 'someone' had a bit more oxygen!

SOME of us are hoping and trying to assure there's some around for others. One indication of success: My daughter and son in law told me and their friends they support Bernie.

JI7

(89,259 posts)
23. he is a policy wonk but doesn't stand out in any other way, and the media sucks
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 12:43 AM
Jul 2015

the media no longer focuses on policy and is about sound bytes and fake controversy . this hurts candidates like O'Malley.

i think O'Malley is the type that needs to be VP in order to win the nomination as Gore did . otherwise they are overshadowed by others .

but i think he is going about things the best way for him. he is doing events around the country and talking directly to people .

elleng

(131,028 posts)
25. Thanks, but he does stand out in other ways,
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 12:47 AM
Jul 2015

significant executive experience:

1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders (raised taxes on the rich).
9. Reformed Maryland’s tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.

Mother Jones magazine called him the best candidate on environmental issues.
Article here:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk

JI7

(89,259 posts)
27. as i said , the media does not report on policies anymore
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 12:50 AM
Jul 2015

it's about fake controversy and sound bytes . all the positives about him don't get much attention in today's media.

but he is doing the only thing he can with how things are.

elleng

(131,028 posts)
28. And we're doing our best to help!
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 12:53 AM
Jul 2015

He is, also, spending a lot of time in Iowa and NH, getting up close and personal experience and exposure that way.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
29. He waited too long to start.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 01:06 AM
Jul 2015

O'Malley is largely unknown nationally...

Bernie Sanders, OTOH, has had a social media pre-candidacy boomlet going on social media for more than a year before he got into the race. (A few years? I can't remember exactly when it began.)

O'Malley should have declared right after the congressional elections, or maybe even before that if he was serious about running. If he had I would think his numbers would be better now, and some of the people now with Bernie may have opted for him. Too late now.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
30. He's simply not my first choice
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 01:06 AM
Jul 2015

By hte by ellenG, I want to give you props to sticking to you candidate of choice and bringing us news and viewpoints about him, rather than a constant stream of shitbagging like so many others do with theirs (and i can't claim innocence )

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