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Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 07:12 PM Jul 2015

WaPo: Bernie Sanders isn’t Barack Obama, and 2016 isn’t 2008

Complete article at LINK

It may be tempting to compare the race between Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to the epic race between Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama: Sanders, like Obama, has consolidated a good portion of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. Sanders, like Obama, is raising millions from small-dollar donors on the Internet. Sanders, like Obama, is channeling the anger and frustration of some in the party. Then, it was about the Iraq war; now, it’s about Wall Street.

But that’s where the similarities end. From the perspective of someone who worked on his campaign and in his White House, it’s clear that Obama’s race against Clinton is not a useful example. Understanding the dynamics at play in the 2016 primaries requires looking further back at history. And unfortunately for Sanders, history shows that there are only two types of Democratic insurgent candidates: Barack Obama and everyone else.

The current system for selecting nominees in the Democratic Party is less than 50 years old. After the disastrous 1968 campaign and nominating convention in Chicago, the party abandoned the smoke-filled rooms of yore and shifted to a series of primaries and caucuses. The 1972 nomination went to the grass-roots favorite, Sen. George McGovern (S.D.), who used the new rules to edge out establishment picks Hubert Humphrey and Henry “Scoop” Jackson. (McGovern won only Massachusetts and the District of Columbia in the general election against Richard Nixon.) In nearly every election since then, an anti-establishment figure has sought the nomination.

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WaPo: Bernie Sanders isn’t Barack Obama, and 2016 isn’t 2008 (Original Post) Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2015 OP
and 2016 is NOT 1972. nt m-lekktor Jul 2015 #1
But Hillary Clinton is still the same. nt artislife Jul 2015 #2
She is? I thought the accusation around here is that she changes. Which is it? George II Jul 2015 #13
Never, ever changes her loyalty to her zentrum Jul 2015 #24
Well, that's odd. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #14
Bernie's certainly sticking to his guns. Cha Jul 2015 #31
Yes, I understand he is. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #32
Pun intended? MoonRiver Jul 2015 #41
This is at the link, too.. Mahalo Algernon.. Cha Jul 2015 #3
Thanks. I couldn't make the .jpg link work Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2015 #6
No worries. Cha Jul 2015 #8
Heh! ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #15
Actually Hillary is not the same.. she's evolved like a lot of people do over the years.. myself Cha Jul 2015 #4
Obama is one of a kind. Iliyah Jul 2015 #9
That he is, Iliyah! Cha Jul 2015 #10
Exactly, Cha. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #17
Precisely backatcha, she. Hillary has done so much of that and I love her for it. The same Cha Jul 2015 #25
And myself included as well, Cha. calimary Jul 2015 #22
Or even 8 years, calimary.. The reason our country has any dire straights is because of Cha Jul 2015 #29
This is why our country is so totally fucked up, and on the fast track to third world Zorra Jul 2015 #5
Good. And also.... if you don't mind my pointing it out..... Smarmie Doofus Jul 2015 #7
And, p.s., Obama and his team barely pulled that one out. So any way that Bernies stevenleser Jul 2015 #11
Also PBO was leading among African Americans 9-1 not trailing among them 36-1* DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #16
Right.. Dan Pfieffer is only President Obama's former senior advisor & current Communications Cha Jul 2015 #30
K & R Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #12
... Unknown Beatle Jul 2015 #18
Bernie sure isn't Obama. SoapBox Jul 2015 #19
Thank goodness Bernie Sanders isn't Barack Obama. I could not stand to be tricked again. GoneFishin Jul 2015 #20
Tricked? Agschmid Jul 2015 #33
Uh-huh. Well whatever you call it it won't happen to me again. GoneFishin Jul 2015 #38
yes, what we need is more Scoop Jackson Dems! MisterP Jul 2015 #21
True. There will NEVER be another like Obama. I already miss him and wish he didn't have to leave. freshwest Jul 2015 #23
Historians will look back and say "It's a miracle he got anything done." Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2015 #26
I agree about Obama. Renew Deal Jul 2015 #36
And the WaPo is not the WaPo of Ben bradlee and Katherine Graham HERVEPA Jul 2015 #27
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2015 #28
The comparison would be unfair, so I agree with him on that davidpdx Jul 2015 #34
None of them are Barack Obama Renew Deal Jul 2015 #35
The long and short of it is that Sanders can't win, but he can help Clinton lose. ucrdem Jul 2015 #37
Maybe people should explain in detail their candidate's great policies and how they will help GoneFishin Jul 2015 #39
Correct Bernie Sanders ISN'T Barack Obama 99Forever Jul 2015 #40

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
24. Never, ever changes her loyalty to her
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 09:51 PM
Jul 2015

…..Wall Street funding base and never, ever changes being a weather vane for whom policy positions are always a question of will it help or hurt her power if she supports something. So, yup, she never changes!

NanceGreggs

(27,816 posts)
14. Well, that's odd.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 08:24 PM
Jul 2015

I keep reading on DU how Bernie hasn't changed his position on anything in 40 years, while Hillary changes hers all the time.

Don't ya just hate it when the talking points don't mesh with reality?

Cha

(297,493 posts)
4. Actually Hillary is not the same.. she's evolved like a lot of people do over the years.. myself
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 07:21 PM
Jul 2015

included.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
9. Obama is one of a kind.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 07:37 PM
Jul 2015

Evolution. Not creationist. And we as homo sapiens are still evolving. Most for the better, Like HRC, some not, like Trump, Cruz and the rest of the clowns in the GOP.

sheshe2

(83,846 posts)
17. Exactly, Cha.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 08:30 PM
Jul 2015

I want a President that has evolved, you need to grow, you need to listen and learn, to become an effective leader.

Cha

(297,493 posts)
25. Precisely backatcha, she. Hillary has done so much of that and I love her for it. The same
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 10:00 PM
Jul 2015

with President Obama.. they do not get stuck in the ol arrogant rut.

calimary

(81,417 posts)
22. And myself included as well, Cha.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 09:33 PM
Jul 2015

WHO among us feels exactly the same about the issues as we did when we were 30 or more years younger? I've certainly evolved in my thinking on a number of matters. Well, the elders among us anyway!

Cha

(297,493 posts)
29. Or even 8 years, calimary.. The reason our country has any dire straights is because of
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 12:07 AM
Jul 2015

the republicons in Congress.

Dems need to GOTV.. all years. Not just the Presidential elections. Our Dem Leaders need help in Congress!

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
5. This is why our country is so totally fucked up, and on the fast track to third world
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 07:25 PM
Jul 2015

status.

The majority of voters continue to do the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
11. And, p.s., Obama and his team barely pulled that one out. So any way that Bernies
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 07:43 PM
Jul 2015

Efforts are behind Obamas at this point in 2007 (or any point in the campaign) is likely to be fatal.

But what does Dan Pfiefer know?

Cha

(297,493 posts)
30. Right.. Dan Pfieffer is only President Obama's former senior advisor & current Communications
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 12:15 AM
Jul 2015

Director since 2009.



Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
12. K & R
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 07:51 PM
Jul 2015

And this time Hillary is using some of the same campaign workers used by Obama, she will have a strong showing.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
33. Tricked?
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 12:42 AM
Jul 2015

Maybe you didn't do your homework but we for the most part got exactly what we were promised in 2008.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
23. True. There will NEVER be another like Obama. I already miss him and wish he didn't have to leave.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 09:46 PM
Jul 2015

Now we are confined to two people who I will credit for meaning well, but it'll never be the same.

Those who have discounted and trashed Obama will find another reason to hate the USA and the POTUS.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
26. Historians will look back and say "It's a miracle he got anything done."
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 10:23 PM
Jul 2015

He's made some mistakes (they all do), but I think he'll be viewed very well. You really don't know until five - sometimes ten years after last term ends.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
34. The comparison would be unfair, so I agree with him on that
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 01:16 AM
Jul 2015

That doesn't mean Sanders isn't the best candidate. But keep on telling us how to vote Dan.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
37. The long and short of it is that Sanders can't win, but he can help Clinton lose.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 01:44 AM
Jul 2015

That's been obvious to many of us from well before Bernie announced. I'd like to think there was some way he could win the Dem nomination, but I don't see one, and the fact that Bernie himself has made no effort to actually become a Dem suggests that he doesn't see one either.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
39. Maybe people should explain in detail their candidate's great policies and how they will help
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 08:04 AM
Jul 2015

average Americans, rather than trying to demoralize the other side into giving up without any real debate on policy.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
40. Correct Bernie Sanders ISN'T Barack Obama
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 08:08 AM
Jul 2015

He'll actually fight for the things he campaigns on and won't ever capitulate and kiss Republican ass.

Thanks for pointing that out.

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