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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 08:44 PM Jul 2015

As long as a President is more progressive than 217 House members and 50 Senators ...

... I don't see why it would matter how much more progressive he or she is at that point.

There's a limit to the legislation Congress will pass. It cannot be more liberal than the 218th most liberal Representative and 51st most liberal Senator will support. As long as the President is more liberal than those people (for the previous Congress, that's Jim Costa (D, CA-16), and Lisa Murkowski (R, AK)), he or she is going to be pushing legislation that Congress will make more conservative.

I'm pretty sure all of our candidates (except Webb maybe) are to the left of Jim Costa and Lisa Murkowski, which means that the next President's ideology is not going to be what drives policy in the country, just like the current President's ideology hasn't been what's driving policy in the country (though Obama's unilateral executive actions may be changing this question).

Why is it important to people to have a President who is more progressive than the policies that will pass Congress? What does that accomplish?

(Note before straw men come out: I entirely agree some Presidents will be more effective at wrangling legislation out of Congress. But that's a very different question from how progressive that President is.)

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As long as a President is more progressive than 217 House members and 50 Senators ... (Original Post) Recursion Jul 2015 OP
Negotiations. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #1
How does being more progressive make a President more effective at negotiating? (nt) Recursion Jul 2015 #2
Bully pulpit. And tradeoffs or priorities. lostnfound Jul 2015 #3
Willingness to compromise with the Devil... moondust Jul 2015 #4

lostnfound

(16,179 posts)
3. Bully pulpit. And tradeoffs or priorities.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 09:08 PM
Jul 2015

They never just vote on one thing. Every bill is a set of compromises. To get their top priority (a bill making the Koch brothers King of the universe for example), republicans might be willing to give up one or two concessions. And all politics is local. Like a chess game, trades of pieces are only one dimension; the positions they occupy are another. Being clever with positioning can let you win a game of chess even with a slight material disadvantage.

moondust

(19,981 posts)
4. Willingness to compromise with the Devil...
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:49 PM
Jul 2015

OR THE LACK THEREOF.

I think some (opportunistic) politicians are more willing than others to make unacceptable compromises so they "have something to show" for their time in office and/or mollify the public's outrage over do-nothing government and/or pave the way for a very, very comfortable retirement from office.

I know I wouldn't want to have to own several of Bill Clinton's "achievements."

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