2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Largerst Turnout Yet in Phoenix! Reports say 11,000!
Domenick wants @BernieSanders to be POTUS so his friends won't join the military to pay for college #FeelTheBern
Tonight more than 11,000 friends and I sent a powerful message to the billionaire class: You cant have it all!
Will post more photos as they come in!
#FeelTheBern
udbcrzy2
(891 posts)It was really awesome!
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)I watched the live stream on YouTube. The chat on YouTube was estimating 12,000!
This was as good as watching Bill Clinton on fire in 1992. Bill didn't act like a Democrat when he was elected, but anyway....
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)record that Bill didn't have, to assure us that he is not just talking, he has walked the walk and has been consistent on his convictions and voted accordingly, for over four decades.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)he knows what he believes without having to be programmed... as compared to Hillary (can't find the exact amount she has spent on polling at the moment).
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)recollection. Yes, Bernie is authentic, and that is what everyone who learns about him, says. He has the record to prove it.
There is no amount of money that can buy that.
moondust
(19,981 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)are in this photo! I'm going with the official count, more than 11,000!
George II
(67,782 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)in Hillary's NH crowd either! OMG, she must have a problem with minorities!!
Btw, are you aware of all the minority groups that have formed for Bernie lately? As they learn about him, they KNOW he is the real deal.
George II
(67,782 posts)....of Clinton rallies or town halls.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)to all the ones about Bernie? Thanks in advance.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)primary.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)LeftOfWest
(482 posts)Is that their point?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)LeftOfWest
(482 posts)they are not that big.
Politicians take note.
(know you know that already Sabrina1, you nail the crap.)
TM99
(8,352 posts)I was there. The crowd was hugely diverse.
I personally was there with an Italian immigrant, two Cubans, and a hispanic. I met my friends from Tucson who are black and hispanic. I am bi-racial. The local Sanders campaigner who helped organize the event and who informed us of the delay is black. The young union woman who introduced him was hispanic.
We were surrounded by a sea of racial diversity - Asians, blacks, latinos, whites, etc.
To say otherwise, is just a lie designed to smear Sanders.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)are still going to be ignored by a certain few who are not especially interested in facts, but most people do want the truth, since they do not have any agenda other than what is best for this country.
Your OP was amazing!
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)in 2012. 30% hispanic. Doubt it's changed dramatically in the last 3 years.
http://www.diversitydata.org/Data/Profiles/Show.aspx?loc=1068
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)And there was A LOT of diversity.
You just don't want to see it.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Go read the top rated OP on the FP for the FACTS.
But hey, don't let the facts stop your from continuing to try to make that talking point stick, it only helps Bernie when people see lies being totally debunked, by MINORITIES themselves.
I am so proud of this candidate, proud that he doesn't ever sink to the level of spreading lies about his opponents, or allowing his campaign to do so either, see McCaskill and Gutierriez and Brown.
It's so refreshing to have a candidate who sticks to the issues and will not allow himself to be dragged into this awful negative campaign dirty tricks, something the public is sick and tired of.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)You might have more of a point if you could compare a similar rally for HRC and show the difference. But without a comparison, your insinuation is just ugly.
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)Not exactly representative of the crowd, so it is pretty obvious what she is doing.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)I mean clearly he doesn't support LGBT rights so long as you say it loudly enough.
It's complete BS. Bernie Sanders is not racist. He fought and continues to fight for equality for all Americans. His record is quite clear on that. He was never against it and never had to "evolve". He knew what was right from the beginning and stuck to it despite what smears people try to throw at him.
Autumn
(45,084 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)When Bernie has been president for four years, then you can make that comparison.
Right now, the predictions are that Bernie can't attract a crowd in Red States, only in the NE. Well, there goes that prediction, right out the window!
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)nonetheless.
artislife
(9,497 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Lol! I'm not complaining, people hate the negativity so it's more than likely they are inadvertently helping him, which is cool!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)for some additional comparison.
See: http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue/2008/01/31/75657-obama-rally-draws-13-000-in-phx/
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)donations from ordinary people and an opposing campaign working as hard as they can to try to derail his campaign, working AGAINST the people. So what IS your point?
Utopian Leftist
(534 posts)is still five and a half months away.
At the pace that Bernie is burning up his competition, I expect him to be speaking in stadiums by then.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)coming to hear it.
Autumn
(45,084 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Poor Repubs, they have no music of their own, so they have to steal ours. Trump AND Rubio, shot down by Neil and Buckwheat for using Liberal music! Lol!
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)coming to a large venue near you
who hoo!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Been talking to people about him here, and am getting some very positive reactions, many who never heard of him.
But once you tell people about him, show them his record, they are interested right away.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)i hope so!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)be hosting house parties, meet ups over the next few months also. And I heard he will be speaking by livestream to these events.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)and you get to meet him
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)with. But we will be working to help get him elected regardless.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)That's the big one for me. He could be one of my students. He is so right.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)keep people, especially minorities, in poverty so they have no other options than to become victims of the wealthy who profit from these wars.
I am happy to see that young people are beginning to see the way it all works and are now getting behind the only candidate who might be able to begin to turn all this around.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)program, funded by the tax payers to get things moving. It wasn't until then, that I realized we DO have a jobs program, it's called the military, and if you are born poor, you have to put your life on the line for your future. It makes me sick. I've told the story many times that the only recruiters who came to my school were the cops and the military. I objected to the administration who did nothing, but I did have the pleasure of throwing the marine recruiter out of my classroom who wanted a few more bodies for canon fodder.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)public schools had to provide info on their students to the Military so that recruiters could pester them starting at age 14 or so, to sign up for Imperial Wars.
If the schools refused, they would lose funding. It was pretty shocking that people who represent us, including many Dems, voted for that horrific 'education' bill.
I remember parents complaining about recruiters harassing them to try to get their children to sign up early for the military when they, the parents did not want this for their children.
Don't know if that is still going on. But it demonstrated the lengths they are willing to go to to get children, naturally the poor, to enlist to fight their wars for profit.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)and FUCK THAT. That needs to be an OP right there.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)thing to do. As far as I know, it was never removed from the Bill.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I wanted to do that for my son (who is now 16) but he asked me not to. He said he'd rather just tell them "no" himself.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)children up for their wars is just sickening, and threatening schools with removing their funding if they refuse to do so, is simply despicable.
Your son sounds like a great kid!
kath
(10,565 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)Reading your posts, I am sure you were a jewel in that school.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)It's actually nearly impossible to enlist if you come from the poorest 20% of the population.
The military, on the whole, is significantly richer and better educated than the US population.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)that would make sense.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)But it also means kids in the bottom 20% are essentially locked out of the military, for the most part. Which we should probably re-think, because it can be a really good opportunity.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)if we weren't in a state of constant warfare it would be.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers on this, but there are far too many poor people, and we also have enlisted indigenous people from other nations, last I checked which was years ago, at least 30,000 poor, indigenous native people from Canada, and/or S. American countries, enticed by promises of college, US citizenship, which doesn't often happen, etc.
The military is an opportunity to die for someone else's profits at this point.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)So the poorest of the poor, perhaps not, but that is not my experience. And I am also addressing kids who can't afford college but are qualified really have very little choice given them. That's because college in our country is too damned expensive.
http://www.mintpressnews.com/whos-joining-the-us-military-poor-women-and-minorities-targeted/43418/
Lutz relays that a study done in 1980 found that from 1940 to 1973 blacks were less likely to join the military than whites, while in more recent years, a 2006 study concluded that blacks are overrepresented in the military. The same 2006 study found that people who serve in the military come from more well-off neighborhoods than those who have not joined the military although the economic elite are underrepresented in armed service.
Lutzs study also looks at the history of participation of the three largest racial and ethnic groups in the military whites, blacks and Latinos and examined ethnicity, immigrant generation and socioeconomic status in relation to military service. It concluded that significant disparities exist only by socioeconomic status, finding the all-volunteer force continues to see overrepresentation of the working and middle classes, with fewer incentives for upper class participation.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)But the top 20% enlist at a higher rate than the bottom 20%. The highest representation IIRC is the second poorest quintile, followed by the middle, then the second richest, then the richest, with the poorest quintile last.
Lutz relays that a study done in 1980 found that from 1940 to 1973 blacks were less likely to join the military than whites, while in more recent years, a 2006 study concluded that blacks are overrepresented in the military.
Yup. That's a crucial distinction. African Americans enlist at a slightly lower rate than whites, but tend to stay in the military much longer (and so wind up highly overrepresented among the Staff NCO corps).
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)He's so excited and fired up. He bought a carload of people with him.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Great that your nephew was there!
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I'm very happy for them especially the 2 who did multiple combat tours. Bernie is speaking to them. You may have gathered Bernie is not my 1st choice but just a smidge I'm glad so many younger folks I know are not only interested but actually volunteering. It's good for democracy.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I saw the same kind of excitement with Obama. It makes people politically aware and interested so they can't get fooled by MSM and Fox New propaganda.
artislife
(9,497 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Thank you so much for posting these, I bet he was thrilled.
Bernie
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)It was awesome!
Go Bernie Go!
Cleita
(75,480 posts)The new regime is rising!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)nasty tactics are not acceptable at all, but how do your stop them? We have to be ready to react instantly to their attacks, to find out if possible, who they are and expose them.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Unfortunately, our local Dem central committee is part of it, so it seems we Bernie supporters have to work outside of them. What's cool though is one of our active local politicians is sponsoring a Bernie meet up.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)change. People are going to work outside them. Things have reached the point where we don't have the time or patience to cater to those who are so willfully blind to the problems people face in this country.
Either join in the effort or get out of the way, because like it or not, the corrupt system we are living under, has to go.
kath
(10,565 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)but I don't remember that specific line in any of the patriot songs. It could have been buried in my subconscience. I was just thinking it would be cool to have pipes and drums for a movement march.
kath
(10,565 posts)Half-Irish here.
Those 2 lines really do sound like an Irish song of rebellion. Will try googling tomorrow.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I think it was about a young soldier named Willie McBride who died in WW1. 'Did they beat the drums slowly, did they ........ Did the rifles fire o'er you as they lowered you down'. Can't remember all the words, but her phrase reminded me of that song's chorus.
kath
(10,565 posts), written by an Aussie. I'm most familiar with the version recorded by The Fureys and Davey Arthur. (Didn't know that The Clancy Brothers recorded it)
when I Googled her post, that song was what came up most often.
BUT, that song doesn't include anything about a new regime rising. Just sad, mournful stuff about the awful futility of war.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)There are several versions by the Clancy Bros, this is one of them, just beautiful, and so sad:
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)It was freaking awesome! A bit overwhelming for me as I really don't do well in crowds anymore. But I am soooo glad I went.
Go Sanders!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)After an event like that, and with the reception he got, the whole state will be abuzz about Sanders. That's the way to the White House for him. When people discuss him, and his campaign, they tend to decide that he's their choice for President.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)It is well worth reading as the OP was there and describes the very diverse crowd, and the excitement of the event. Amazing really.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Thank you Bernie Sanders for your moral guidance, your strength and good judgment. You are what America needs.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)Republican presidential contender Ron Paul may be trailing the rest of the GOP pack in the primaries, but he also seems to be the only candidate who is able to bring in huge crowds to his speeches.
Is Paul's popularity on the rise?
Speaking in California Wednesday night to an overflow crowd at a tennis center at UCLA, Paul drew what might have been his biggest audience yet. Estimates put the crowd total at between 6,000 to 10,000 people, filling into the 5,800-seat stadium, with others climbing nearby trees to see the speech.
http://mic.com/articles/6513/ron-paul-draws-record-breaking-crowd-at-ucla-is-the-revolution-finally-catching-fire
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)domestic policies on Social Programs. Are you seriously unaware of the vast differences between someone who supports the Dem Party's traditional, since FDR, policies on Social Safety Nets, and a Libertarian who opposes everything Bernie stands for AND as polls show, the PEOPLE stand for?
Seriously? If you want to have a rational discussion on why Paul plummeted while Bernie continues to rise, let me know. I will be more than happy to have that discussion.
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)Of course they are completely different in terms of political positions, except maybe on the issue of guns. But Paul attracted students and the disaffected with his talk of revolution. He had huge rallies and devoted followers. He got millions every time he did an online "money bomb" campaign. Paul's popularity eventually died off around the time of the GOP convention, but at this point of the campaign, he was still on the rise, much like Bernie. That link was a story on Paul's record-breaking rally at UCLA in April of 2012. We'll see where Bernie is in April of 2016, and around the time of the Dem convention.
Thirties Child
(543 posts)How can they be that out of touch?