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Zorra

(27,670 posts)
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 03:49 PM Jul 2015

Barack Obama is President of the United States. Bernie Sanders is not.

The "Hecklers" would be far more likely to get their concerns addressed by petitioning a sitting President to take notice of their plight on order to find redress for their concerns, rather than by heckilng Presidential candidates who have a history of working to address these grievances throughout their political tenure.

However, it may be that the "Hecklers" have already employed approaching the President, but to no avail, for it is apparent that the President has failed to adequately address the concerns of the "Hecklers", and has failed to take action necessary for satisfactory redress of the concerns of the "Hecklers."

Otherwise, the "Hecklers" would not be heckling candidates running for the Democratic Presidential nomination, in a desperate attempt to get their voices heard by an apathetic government.

In fact, the very real, very serious problems, that are of such grave concern to the "Hecklers", have been an ongoing shame and mockery of justice in America for centuries, yet appear to have continued, unabated, during President Obama's tenure.

All you need to do is examine Senator Sander's history and political record to know that it is an absolute certainty, that if Bernie Sanders is elected President of the United States, President Sanders will do everything within the scope of his power and authority to resolve the problems of the "Hecklers" to their greatest satisfaction.

Black lives matter. And this is one more critical reason why we should all vote for Bernie Sanders.

Sanders in Selma Says Civil Rights Struggle Continues
Saturday, March 7, 2015

SELMA, Ala., March 7 – U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today joined U.S. Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) and other civil rights pioneers on the 50th anniversary of an historic civil rights march that led to enactment of the Voting Rights Act.

“In 1965, against racist legalized violence, incredibly brave men and women put their lives on the line to demand that all Americans, regardless of their color, have the right to vote. And they won. When people stand together for justice, nothing is impossible,” Sanders said.
snip---
“What Bloody Sunday was about was showing the entire country and the entire world how far some of the racist officials in Alabama would go to prevent African-Americans from participating the political process and from voting,” Sanders said. “What happened on that bridge that day was a huge step forward for democracy in America. But what is happening right now – not just in the South but all over this country – are efforts by Republican governors and Republican legislatures to make it harder for African-Americans, for low-income people and for senior citizens to vote.”

The election of Obama, the first African-American president, is a sign of the nation’s progress in the past half century, Sanders said. “But we also know that much more needs to be done. Today, African American unemployment is double the national average while African American household income is $17,000 less. The struggle for racial and economic justice continues,” Sanders said.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-in-selma-says-civil-rights-struggle-continues
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Barack Obama is President of the United States. Bernie Sanders is not. (Original Post) Zorra Jul 2015 OP
Not justifying anyone's constant interruptions after inviting guests to a town hall, and then not still_one Jul 2015 #1
I'm not saying the hecklers were wrong, just that they may want to try Zorra Jul 2015 #7
I actually am saying that their approach is counter productive. From all appearances they do not still_one Jul 2015 #8
Not sure they would agree HassleCat Jul 2015 #2
Which venue is easier to get in front of media? Obama (secret service) or Netroots Nation? KittyWampus Jul 2015 #3
Does that mean that with this attention aspirant Jul 2015 #6
To be honest this is a state by state problem bigdarryl Jul 2015 #4
Which means that they only way they can deal with it is by voting the state racists out. So we are jwirr Jul 2015 #20
Has blacklivesmatter ever tried to protest President Obama? 4139 Jul 2015 #5
I suspect so, to minor extent. nt Zorra Jul 2015 #9
They have: Raine1967 Jul 2015 #51
Black voices matter too. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #10
see post #7. Zorra Jul 2015 #11
Why are people so bent out of shape about some damn hecklers at a relatively minor event? tritsofme Jul 2015 #12
It seems to me that the BLM groups sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #13
They know Bernie will be the next President RobertEarl Jul 2015 #14
I'll just leave this here Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #15
I agree he is intune but if these are states issues maybe there is not that much he can do. One jwirr Jul 2015 #22
They have a list of demands. Obama has not fulfilled any of their requirements. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #38
Well, I went to their twitter acct last night and asked them if they would be sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #16
Wow udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #18
I doubt it. Their own membership was very critical of them so I doubt sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #19
Well... Stryder Jul 2015 #21
I trust they plan to do this at Republican debates as well dflprincess Jul 2015 #27
That would be of great advantage to Hillary, since she will probably fare poorly Maedhros Jul 2015 #33
"Their own membership was very critical of them" sufrommich Jul 2015 #23
Not gonna happen Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #25
Par for the course. zappaman Jul 2015 #28
+1...nt SidDithers Jul 2015 #29
Hopefully, BLM will heckle Hillary. But her supporters, and the cops, would probably kick them out: Zorra Jul 2015 #32
Yeah, good point. CharlotteVale Jul 2015 #17
They already tried it... shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #24
this is just crazy JI7 Jul 2015 #26
Clearly, this problem isn't going to be fixed during one POTUS tenure Sheepshank Jul 2015 #30
I understand and I see how dire the situation is. I'm not sure how disrupting candidates rally's Autumn Jul 2015 #31
^^ This. n/t winter is coming Jul 2015 #35
K&R blackspade Jul 2015 #34
much more LordshipLadyship Jul 2015 #36
Ah. So it's the first black president's fault. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #37
So black people shouldn't bring their concerns to a black President? Why is that? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #39
LOL that's not what the poster said Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #40
No, not what the OP said--it's what you said. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #41
You're lazy. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #42
You're using racist language to try to paint me as racist and you'll stop now. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #43
You do that... Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #44
It was a 2-5 leave. bravenak Jul 2015 #45
I tried. I failed. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #48
You did not get the post entirely I think. That person was not assuming your voice. Sarcasm, yes. bravenak Jul 2015 #49
... Major Nikon Jul 2015 #47
Results... Major Nikon Jul 2015 #46
I compliment you on your vivid imagination. Zorra Jul 2015 #50

still_one

(92,190 posts)
1. Not justifying anyone's constant interruptions after inviting guests to a town hall, and then not
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 03:56 PM
Jul 2015

giving an opportunity for a two way dialog, but I have no doubt if President Obama was at that town hall he would have been interrupted also.

Just my opinion

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
7. I'm not saying the hecklers were wrong, just that they may want to try
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:09 PM
Jul 2015

taking their protest to a more effective venue, like protesting in front of the White House, where a sitting President who can actually address their concerns at this time has the power to do so.

I applaud, and respect, what the hecklers did. That's what successful activists do, they do what it takes to call attention to real problems when the government won't deal with those real problems.

It's just too bad they decided to heckle candidates who will work to be part of their solution, rather than heckle candidates who will do nothing but make make their problems worse.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
8. I actually am saying that their approach is counter productive. From all appearances they do not
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:17 PM
Jul 2015

want to engage in a two-way dialog, they just want their point of view to be heard. However, if they were listening, which I do not think they were, Bernie Sanders was actually providing solutions to their protests, they just didn't bother to listen

Incidentally, I don't disagree with your point either. The ones in power now, are the ones that actually have the means to do something, not the ones running, and wanting to change things



 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
2. Not sure they would agree
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 03:57 PM
Jul 2015

The people who disrupted the debates appear to have little of substance to say. Their point so far is that nobody can understand or address the problems correctly, but I have heard little about what they propose to do.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
3. Which venue is easier to get in front of media? Obama (secret service) or Netroots Nation?
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:00 PM
Jul 2015

It's not as much about message being delivered in this case.

It's getting desperately needed attention.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
4. To be honest this is a state by state problem
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:03 PM
Jul 2015

The President can't control what other states do when it comes to local Procecutors making decisions not to indict cops on the killing of African Americans.Im willing to bet that most of these black lives matter people don't even know who there local Prosecutor is or when they are up for reelection

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
20. Which means that they only way they can deal with it is by voting the state racists out. So we are
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:56 PM
Jul 2015

right back to voters rights issues.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
10. Black voices matter too.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:24 PM
Jul 2015

And you're not going to elect Bernie by denigrating black voices as mere 'hecklers' and dismissing their voices and actions. If anything, you help the people who don't want to see him elected when you try and diminish people who want his attention and his voice to join theirs.

tritsofme

(17,378 posts)
12. Why are people so bent out of shape about some damn hecklers at a relatively minor event?
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:28 PM
Jul 2015

I don't get it. Who cares? Ignore them, and move on. People who heckle are typically rude and inconsiderate, not sure why they are worth so much time.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
13. It seems to me that the BLM groups
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:34 PM
Jul 2015

are trying to get the attention of the public.
They must be aware that no candidate nor
the POTUS himself can wave a magic wand
to change the system.

As a poster mentioned before most police
and criminal justice issues are in the hands of the
individual states.

It would be very sad if any one of the candidates
now will start making promises that they could
never keep.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
15. I'll just leave this here
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:25 PM
Jul 2015



I think he is completely in tune with the plight.

The knee-jerk defensiveness needs to stop.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
22. I agree he is intune but if these are states issues maybe there is not that much he can do. One
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:03 PM
Jul 2015

thing that he can do is through the justice department they can investigate the deaths like the one in Texas of Sandra Bland. And I understand that that has already been decided.

I would also like to see him use his power to deal with voter suppression because if it is a states right issue then people need to use their vote to kick the racists out.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
16. Well, I went to their twitter acct last night and asked them if they would be
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:29 PM
Jul 2015

heckling the REAL enemies, Republicans, I didn't get a very friendly response. Nor any confirmation that they would be doing so.

 

udbcrzy2

(891 posts)
18. Wow
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:52 PM
Jul 2015

I've heard the chants, 'no justice, no peace'. So where will this go? This worries me. Will they try to disrupt every rally while the criminal justice system takes it's sweet time sorting all of this out? If so, they could be protesting and disrupting for a very long time and WE will all be screwed over by people who refuse to talk and only shout and chant instead of discussing issues related to this cause.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
19. I doubt it. Their own membership was very critical of them so I doubt
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:01 PM
Jul 2015

they will be doing it unless they do it to ALL candidates, Repubs, Hillary as it doesn't look great to only go after Hillary's opponents.

There are so many great people who are part of BLM. Far more than those who staged this and lots of disagreements about tactics as with any movment.

dflprincess

(28,078 posts)
27. I trust they plan to do this at Republican debates as well
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:26 PM
Jul 2015

rather than just when candidates who have fought for civil rights are speaking.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
33. That would be of great advantage to Hillary, since she will probably fare poorly
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 12:51 AM
Jul 2015

against Sanders and O'Malley.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
32. Hopefully, BLM will heckle Hillary. But her supporters, and the cops, would probably kick them out:
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:22 PM
Jul 2015
Hillary Clinton heckled by immigration activists

COLLEGE PARK, Maryland – Immigration activists repeatedly interrupted former secretary of state Hillary Clinton Thursday as she campaigned here for Lt. Gov. Anthony Brown, who is running for governor as a Democrat.
snip----
The hundreds of college students gathered in the Ritchie Coliseum at the University of Maryland rallied behind Clinton, chanting “Hilllary! Hillary!” to drown out the protesters. They booed when another wave of activists began to interrupt the likely presidential candidate’s speech.
snip---
But three more waves of interruptions followed, spaced a few minutes apart. Police shut down each interruption quickly, pulling demonstrators outside the auditorium.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-heckled-immigration-activists


Heckler ejected from Hillary Clinton speech after interrupting to ask about Wall Street regulation

The heckler, Daniel Burke, stood up and shouted at the end of Clinton's address, in which she outlined her presidential campaign's economic agenda.

"Senator Clinton, will you restore Glass-Steagall?" Burke yelled.

Clinton, who was speaking in Manhattan at The New School, appeared taken aback. She did not answer his question. Her supporters in the audience eventually started clapping to drown out Burke and security escorted him from the building.

http://www.businessinsider.com/heckler-ejected-from-hillary-clinton-event-2015-7

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
24. They already tried it...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:09 PM
Jul 2015
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/03/07/3631178/black-lives-matter-protesters-interrupt-obama-selma/

The older black people told them to stop heckling Obama or they would kick their arse, and the state troopers said if you don't shut up we will kick you all out. They agreed to shut up.

Obama didn't skip a beat, just kept plugging along. Controversy did not ensue. I don't think that anyone on DU even mentioned it.

Obama's approval ratings amongst African-Americans are absolutely boilerplate. Something like 85-90% with often over half strongly approving. As Cornel West so amply demonstrated, any serious heckling of Obama is a ticket to exile and irrelevance.

Ironically, thus, you have a situation where the guy who is actually in the chair is under no real pressure to do anything, whereas Sanders and O'Malley (who are both rank outsiders to ever get anywhere near the presidency) are taking some heat.

Expect that to end, if, as expected, the next president is white - and they will be under real pressure to actually do something substantive on the issue.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
26. this is just crazy
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:24 PM
Jul 2015

Obama has been heckled and protested by people whose issues he did support many times. it happens to democrats all the time , especially those running for president.

the reaction to this one group v the others is really something even if one disagrees with their methods.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
30. Clearly, this problem isn't going to be fixed during one POTUS tenure
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:41 PM
Jul 2015

A long term problem, with issues being raised and a whole new awareness being made. BLM simply wants to make sure any future president doesn't drop the ball...doesn't ignore or gloss over any momentum already in place.

Your OP is ridiculous in its opening assumptions.

Autumn

(45,084 posts)
31. I understand and I see how dire the situation is. I'm not sure how disrupting candidates rally's
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:56 PM
Jul 2015

and debates is going to stop these killings. That seems senseless, whichever one wins they won't take office until Jan 2017. What of the deaths that will happen in the meantime? The killings aren't going to stop until they are forcibly stopped. We have a Congress, we have a Senate, we have a Black President, we have a VP. Squeeze them until they squeal. Why is BLM not organizing massive protests? Protest those in power until they can't take a piss without seeing a protester. They are the ones who can do something to stop these killings NOW. Yelling at a campaign event isn't going to do shit.

LordshipLadyship

(405 posts)
36. much more
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:33 AM
Jul 2015

If Bernie takes the white house, heckling is going to be the least of his problems. Besides, I think they did him a favor. His record on civil rights goes way back. He doesn't need to be told that blacks lives matter. He knows. Moreover, the way the people who interrupted him may not have been the best choice, but what's behind it is solid. Treatment of blacks by closet and open rascists is horrible and murderous and utterly ignorant. Bernie can use this to speak out.
When the situation is as severe as it is, putting it out there is necessary. Too many people bury their heads in the damn sand. One black person being killed without reason is one person too many. We elected a black president but that sadly wasn't the end of rascism.
Just a white guy's two cents.
Ed

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
37. Ah. So it's the first black president's fault.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:42 AM
Jul 2015

That's a message that'll seriously resonate with all these black voices.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
41. No, not what the OP said--it's what you said.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:12 AM
Jul 2015

And of course, I'd appreciate a link to your other "claim".

Edited for subject line disambiguation.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
42. You're lazy.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:15 AM
Jul 2015

But I'll assist you in your laziness on two fronts.

1) The poster said Obama is to blame - he has failed the black community:

However, it may be that the "Hecklers" have already employed approaching the President, but to no avail, for it is apparent that the President has failed to adequately address the concerns of the "Hecklers", and has failed to take action necessary for satisfactory redress of the concerns of the "Hecklers."

In fact, the very real, very serious problems, that are of such grave concern to the "Hecklers", have been an ongoing shame and mockery of justice in America for centuries, yet appear to have continued, unabated, during President Obama's tenure.


There is nothing apparent of such trash. I get it. Obama Bad. Bernie Good. If only the dumb blacks could see that?

As for your second question...

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/03/07/3631178/black-lives-matter-protesters-interrupt-obama-selma/
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
43. You're using racist language to try to paint me as racist and you'll stop now.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:18 AM
Jul 2015

Don't do that again, or I'll ask Skinner to get rid of one or the other of us.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
48. I tried. I failed.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:54 PM
Jul 2015

It doesn't make it right that this poster assumed my voice in order to make a racist statement and try to attribute it to me. I have no further recourse, but it was still a really filthy thing to do.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
46. Results...
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:58 AM
Jul 2015

On Mon Jul 20, 2015, 11:28 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

You're lazy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=464699

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

I am DisgustipatedinCa. This poster was replying to me, and I'm alerting non-anonymously. He's using the racist language "if only the dumb blacks could see that", and he' sat tempting to speak in my voice. I'm extremely offended at having this poster accuse me of racism when that's a damn lie. Please see the whole exchange (along with anything else I've written here the last 14 years). I wanted to alert admins for this, but I'm not sure how to do that. So, I'm sending this normal alert instead. I'm no angel, but I'm sure not a racist, and it makes me livid to be so casually accused of racism. Thanks.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jul 20, 2015, 11:53 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The author of post 41 might read the OP title, which seems to me to blame Obama for not doing something. Or that the "hecklers" should take it to Obama and not Bernie.
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Explanation: The alerter needs to use this as an opportunity for serious self-examination. Nothing is lost by doing so.
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Explanation: Nope! Not hiding it

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
50. I compliment you on your vivid imagination.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:13 PM
Jul 2015

You imagined I said something totally different than i really said.

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