2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBarack Obama is President of the United States. Bernie Sanders is not.
The "Hecklers" would be far more likely to get their concerns addressed by petitioning a sitting President to take notice of their plight on order to find redress for their concerns, rather than by heckilng Presidential candidates who have a history of working to address these grievances throughout their political tenure.
However, it may be that the "Hecklers" have already employed approaching the President, but to no avail, for it is apparent that the President has failed to adequately address the concerns of the "Hecklers", and has failed to take action necessary for satisfactory redress of the concerns of the "Hecklers."
Otherwise, the "Hecklers" would not be heckling candidates running for the Democratic Presidential nomination, in a desperate attempt to get their voices heard by an apathetic government.
In fact, the very real, very serious problems, that are of such grave concern to the "Hecklers", have been an ongoing shame and mockery of justice in America for centuries, yet appear to have continued, unabated, during President Obama's tenure.
All you need to do is examine Senator Sander's history and political record to know that it is an absolute certainty, that if Bernie Sanders is elected President of the United States, President Sanders will do everything within the scope of his power and authority to resolve the problems of the "Hecklers" to their greatest satisfaction.
Black lives matter. And this is one more critical reason why we should all vote for Bernie Sanders.
Saturday, March 7, 2015
SELMA, Ala., March 7 U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today joined U.S. Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) and other civil rights pioneers on the 50th anniversary of an historic civil rights march that led to enactment of the Voting Rights Act.
In 1965, against racist legalized violence, incredibly brave men and women put their lives on the line to demand that all Americans, regardless of their color, have the right to vote. And they won. When people stand together for justice, nothing is impossible, Sanders said.
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What Bloody Sunday was about was showing the entire country and the entire world how far some of the racist officials in Alabama would go to prevent African-Americans from participating the political process and from voting, Sanders said. What happened on that bridge that day was a huge step forward for democracy in America. But what is happening right now not just in the South but all over this country are efforts by Republican governors and Republican legislatures to make it harder for African-Americans, for low-income people and for senior citizens to vote.
The election of Obama, the first African-American president, is a sign of the nations progress in the past half century, Sanders said. But we also know that much more needs to be done. Today, African American unemployment is double the national average while African American household income is $17,000 less. The struggle for racial and economic justice continues, Sanders said.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-in-selma-says-civil-rights-struggle-continues
still_one
(92,190 posts)giving an opportunity for a two way dialog, but I have no doubt if President Obama was at that town hall he would have been interrupted also.
Just my opinion
Zorra
(27,670 posts)taking their protest to a more effective venue, like protesting in front of the White House, where a sitting President who can actually address their concerns at this time has the power to do so.
I applaud, and respect, what the hecklers did. That's what successful activists do, they do what it takes to call attention to real problems when the government won't deal with those real problems.
It's just too bad they decided to heckle candidates who will work to be part of their solution, rather than heckle candidates who will do nothing but make make their problems worse.
still_one
(92,190 posts)want to engage in a two-way dialog, they just want their point of view to be heard. However, if they were listening, which I do not think they were, Bernie Sanders was actually providing solutions to their protests, they just didn't bother to listen
Incidentally, I don't disagree with your point either. The ones in power now, are the ones that actually have the means to do something, not the ones running, and wanting to change things
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)The people who disrupted the debates appear to have little of substance to say. Their point so far is that nobody can understand or address the problems correctly, but I have heard little about what they propose to do.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)It's not as much about message being delivered in this case.
It's getting desperately needed attention.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Obama will act w/o his "secret service"?
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)The President can't control what other states do when it comes to local Procecutors making decisions not to indict cops on the killing of African Americans.Im willing to bet that most of these black lives matter people don't even know who there local Prosecutor is or when they are up for reelection
jwirr
(39,215 posts)right back to voters rights issues.
4139
(1,893 posts)Maybe I missed it.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)And you're not going to elect Bernie by denigrating black voices as mere 'hecklers' and dismissing their voices and actions. If anything, you help the people who don't want to see him elected when you try and diminish people who want his attention and his voice to join theirs.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)I don't have a negative concept of "heckler".
tritsofme
(17,378 posts)I don't get it. Who cares? Ignore them, and move on. People who heckle are typically rude and inconsiderate, not sure why they are worth so much time.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)are trying to get the attention of the public.
They must be aware that no candidate nor
the POTUS himself can wave a magic wand
to change the system.
As a poster mentioned before most police
and criminal justice issues are in the hands of the
individual states.
It would be very sad if any one of the candidates
now will start making promises that they could
never keep.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)And so they want his attention, asap.
It's all good.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)I think he is completely in tune with the plight.
The knee-jerk defensiveness needs to stop.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)thing that he can do is through the justice department they can investigate the deaths like the one in Texas of Sandra Bland. And I understand that that has already been decided.
I would also like to see him use his power to deal with voter suppression because if it is a states right issue then people need to use their vote to kick the racists out.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)heckling the REAL enemies, Republicans, I didn't get a very friendly response. Nor any confirmation that they would be doing so.
I've heard the chants, 'no justice, no peace'. So where will this go? This worries me. Will they try to disrupt every rally while the criminal justice system takes it's sweet time sorting all of this out? If so, they could be protesting and disrupting for a very long time and WE will all be screwed over by people who refuse to talk and only shout and chant instead of discussing issues related to this cause.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)they will be doing it unless they do it to ALL candidates, Repubs, Hillary as it doesn't look great to only go after Hillary's opponents.
There are so many great people who are part of BLM. Far more than those who staged this and lots of disagreements about tactics as with any movment.
BLM co-founder warns presidential candidates "We will shut down every debate." http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251459567
dflprincess
(28,078 posts)rather than just when candidates who have fought for civil rights are speaking.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)against Sanders and O'Malley.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Prove it.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)States opinion as fact, never backs it up.
Lather, rinse, repeat...
zappaman
(20,606 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Zorra
(27,670 posts)COLLEGE PARK, Maryland Immigration activists repeatedly interrupted former secretary of state Hillary Clinton Thursday as she campaigned here for Lt. Gov. Anthony Brown, who is running for governor as a Democrat.
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The hundreds of college students gathered in the Ritchie Coliseum at the University of Maryland rallied behind Clinton, chanting Hilllary! Hillary! to drown out the protesters. They booed when another wave of activists began to interrupt the likely presidential candidates speech.
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But three more waves of interruptions followed, spaced a few minutes apart. Police shut down each interruption quickly, pulling demonstrators outside the auditorium.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-heckled-immigration-activists
The heckler, Daniel Burke, stood up and shouted at the end of Clinton's address, in which she outlined her presidential campaign's economic agenda.
"Senator Clinton, will you restore Glass-Steagall?" Burke yelled.
Clinton, who was speaking in Manhattan at The New School, appeared taken aback. She did not answer his question. Her supporters in the audience eventually started clapping to drown out Burke and security escorted him from the building.
http://www.businessinsider.com/heckler-ejected-from-hillary-clinton-event-2015-7
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)The older black people told them to stop heckling Obama or they would kick their arse, and the state troopers said if you don't shut up we will kick you all out. They agreed to shut up.
Obama didn't skip a beat, just kept plugging along. Controversy did not ensue. I don't think that anyone on DU even mentioned it.
Obama's approval ratings amongst African-Americans are absolutely boilerplate. Something like 85-90% with often over half strongly approving. As Cornel West so amply demonstrated, any serious heckling of Obama is a ticket to exile and irrelevance.
Ironically, thus, you have a situation where the guy who is actually in the chair is under no real pressure to do anything, whereas Sanders and O'Malley (who are both rank outsiders to ever get anywhere near the presidency) are taking some heat.
Expect that to end, if, as expected, the next president is white - and they will be under real pressure to actually do something substantive on the issue.
JI7
(89,249 posts)Obama has been heckled and protested by people whose issues he did support many times. it happens to democrats all the time , especially those running for president.
the reaction to this one group v the others is really something even if one disagrees with their methods.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)A long term problem, with issues being raised and a whole new awareness being made. BLM simply wants to make sure any future president doesn't drop the ball...doesn't ignore or gloss over any momentum already in place.
Your OP is ridiculous in its opening assumptions.
Autumn
(45,084 posts)and debates is going to stop these killings. That seems senseless, whichever one wins they won't take office until Jan 2017. What of the deaths that will happen in the meantime? The killings aren't going to stop until they are forcibly stopped. We have a Congress, we have a Senate, we have a Black President, we have a VP. Squeeze them until they squeal. Why is BLM not organizing massive protests? Protest those in power until they can't take a piss without seeing a protester. They are the ones who can do something to stop these killings NOW. Yelling at a campaign event isn't going to do shit.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)LordshipLadyship
(405 posts)If Bernie takes the white house, heckling is going to be the least of his problems. Besides, I think they did him a favor. His record on civil rights goes way back. He doesn't need to be told that blacks lives matter. He knows. Moreover, the way the people who interrupted him may not have been the best choice, but what's behind it is solid. Treatment of blacks by closet and open rascists is horrible and murderous and utterly ignorant. Bernie can use this to speak out.
When the situation is as severe as it is, putting it out there is necessary. Too many people bury their heads in the damn sand. One black person being killed without reason is one person too many. We elected a black president but that sadly wasn't the end of rascism.
Just a white guy's two cents.
Ed
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)That's a message that'll seriously resonate with all these black voices.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)And they have - Obama has been heckled by 'em.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)And of course, I'd appreciate a link to your other "claim".
Edited for subject line disambiguation.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)But I'll assist you in your laziness on two fronts.
1) The poster said Obama is to blame - he has failed the black community:
However, it may be that the "Hecklers" have already employed approaching the President, but to no avail, for it is apparent that the President has failed to adequately address the concerns of the "Hecklers", and has failed to take action necessary for satisfactory redress of the concerns of the "Hecklers."
In fact, the very real, very serious problems, that are of such grave concern to the "Hecklers", have been an ongoing shame and mockery of justice in America for centuries, yet appear to have continued, unabated, during President Obama's tenure.
There is nothing apparent of such trash. I get it. Obama Bad. Bernie Good. If only the dumb blacks could see that?
As for your second question...
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/03/07/3631178/black-lives-matter-protesters-interrupt-obama-selma/
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Don't do that again, or I'll ask Skinner to get rid of one or the other of us.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)It doesn't make it right that this poster assumed my voice in order to make a racist statement and try to attribute it to me. I have no further recourse, but it was still a really filthy thing to do.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)On Mon Jul 20, 2015, 11:28 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
You're lazy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=464699
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
I am DisgustipatedinCa. This poster was replying to me, and I'm alerting non-anonymously. He's using the racist language "if only the dumb blacks could see that", and he' sat tempting to speak in my voice. I'm extremely offended at having this poster accuse me of racism when that's a damn lie. Please see the whole exchange (along with anything else I've written here the last 14 years). I wanted to alert admins for this, but I'm not sure how to do that. So, I'm sending this normal alert instead. I'm no angel, but I'm sure not a racist, and it makes me livid to be so casually accused of racism. Thanks.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jul 20, 2015, 11:53 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
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Explanation: The author of post 41 might read the OP title, which seems to me to blame Obama for not doing something. Or that the "hecklers" should take it to Obama and not Bernie.
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Explanation: The alerter needs to use this as an opportunity for serious self-examination. Nothing is lost by doing so.
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Zorra
(27,670 posts)You imagined I said something totally different than i really said.