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Does anyone really think Bernie Sanders would be an effective POTUS (Original Post) GusFring Jul 2015 OP
Can't the same be said of Hillary? drm604 Jul 2015 #1
What they never mention is she would get more done because her ideas are more republican-friendly arcane1 Jul 2015 #18
That may be true... Rod Beauvex Jul 2015 #50
Ding ding ding ding! kath Jul 2015 #53
They also fail to note how NOT HAVING A POTUS advocating for us would HELP. What are they offering? Vincardog Jul 2015 #60
So If I Want Repug-Friendly - Why Don't You Just Vote For A Repug..... global1 Jul 2015 #62
I'm not suggesting anything. I'm following the OP to its logical conclusion n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #63
And she will make trade offs that will hurt many of us, like more welfare reform. jwirr Jul 2015 #66
Depends on the make up of the congress. abakan Jul 2015 #2
ding ding ding, a winner. Not going to get back the house though until at least the next census, still_one Jul 2015 #46
Ah, Congress! HassleCat Jul 2015 #3
If Bernie brings disenchanted voters to polls, congress elections might also move leftward lostnfound Jul 2015 #56
Yes.... daleanime Jul 2015 #4
Well, since the congress is filled with ultra hateful conservatives Trajan Jul 2015 #5
Take a look artislife Jul 2015 #19
Very interesting! This should be an OP! arcane1 Jul 2015 #25
Whoa...thanks for sharing... Stellar Jul 2015 #40
By the OP's logic, we should all be voting Republican. Go directly to Jeb, do not pass Go! leveymg Jul 2015 #24
Better than that just go directly to Walker, but then why bother with Cleita Jul 2015 #29
;-) +++ leveymg Jul 2015 #36
We have GOT to get an effective congress alfie Jul 2015 #6
Yes. nt LWolf Jul 2015 #7
If Bernie becomes the POTUS awake Jul 2015 #8
exactly! 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #20
Realistically, there is no way the Dems take back the House before 2022. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #42
I never say never awake Jul 2015 #45
That's not a realistic expectation. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #47
I agree the "fix" is in but did you ever think that the confederate flag awake Jul 2015 #48
With the backing of the People- ruffburr Jul 2015 #9
Yes. 99Forever Jul 2015 #10
So you're happy with the greed, corruption, and corporate takeover of America. onecaliberal Jul 2015 #11
Yes artislife Jul 2015 #12
Reviving Glass/Steagal has bipartisan support in Congress. Clinton says no, Sanders says yes arcane1 Jul 2015 #13
Bernie's coat tails are long and deep 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #14
Curious...Why do you ask fredamae Jul 2015 #15
Republicans do not get to control my vote for a Democrat Scootaloo Jul 2015 #16
Yes. PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #17
What can Hillary get through Congress? HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #21
Exactly - And They Will Treat Hillary Just Like They Are Treating Obama.... global1 Jul 2015 #61
Ikr? LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #22
Putting the cart before the horse are we? Cleita Jul 2015 #23
"Go Out And Make Me Do It" FDR Live and Learn Jul 2015 #26
Nope... Sheepshank Jul 2015 #27
That's a good place to start. this country was at its most prosperous when the Cleita Jul 2015 #31
Yes, I think he will be extremely effective! He won't hesitate to use the bully pulpit. peacebird Jul 2015 #28
Well let's see if congress has always held the country hostage, who would be the kind of POTUS ? orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #30
No, not at all. If Hillary wasn't in the race Martin O'Malley would be my candidate. Walk away Jul 2015 #32
So if the test of an "effective" POTUS is a person who would appeal to Congress, guillaumeb Jul 2015 #33
Well, at least there are not already committees in Congress trying to pin Benghazi and djean111 Jul 2015 #34
At least he clearly speaks bvf Jul 2015 #35
Well there is that troubling left arm... whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #37
Do you think some posters stir shit with the intent of causing DUers to froth at the mouth? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #38
Yes, I do. But thanks for your concern. [nt] Jester Messiah Jul 2015 #39
Obama. nt. Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #41
GUS FRING!!! MohRokTah Jul 2015 #43
HAH... malokvale77 Jul 2015 #64
Yes, Sherman A1 Jul 2015 #44
yup ibegurpard Jul 2015 #49
Duzy Award Winner of the decade olddots Jul 2015 #51
Bully pulpit AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #52
He'd fight for what *I* believe in. That's all I ask. CharlotteVale Jul 2015 #54
+ 1000 orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #55
Define "effective" DJ13 Jul 2015 #57
It would be next to impossible FloridaBlues Jul 2015 #58
I don't think any democrat can be effective in the political environment we have now MiniMe Jul 2015 #59
Nice drive-by, two-sentence post. Maedhros Jul 2015 #65
What of Hillary's agenda could she realistically get through Congress? Autumn Jul 2015 #67
Forget Republicans, I'd bet Democrats wouldnt support most of his agenda. GusFring Jul 2015 #68
Sure, he can not appoint foxes and wolves to guard the henhouses. Automatic win. TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #69
He and Hill would probably be equally as effective ... Cosmocat Jul 2015 #70
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
18. What they never mention is she would get more done because her ideas are more republican-friendly
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:19 PM
Jul 2015

Funny how they always leave that out.

Rod Beauvex

(564 posts)
50. That may be true...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:31 PM
Jul 2015

But on the flip side, non of Bush's ideas were Democrat friendly, and that didn't stop him at all.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
60. They also fail to note how NOT HAVING A POTUS advocating for us would HELP. What are they offering?
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:03 PM
Jul 2015

global1

(25,247 posts)
62. So If I Want Repug-Friendly - Why Don't You Just Vote For A Repug.....
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:19 PM
Jul 2015

and not Hillary. A Repug would even get more done than Hillary.

Think about your post and what you are suggesting.

abakan

(1,819 posts)
2. Depends on the make up of the congress.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:09 PM
Jul 2015

if we can get back the House, and Senate, his chances will be pretty good.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
46. ding ding ding, a winner. Not going to get back the house though until at least the next census,
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:59 PM
Jul 2015

due to gerry mandering

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
3. Ah, Congress!
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:09 PM
Jul 2015

If Congress doesn't change, neither a President Sanders nor a President Clinton will get anything approved.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
5. Well, since the congress is filled with ultra hateful conservatives
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:11 PM
Jul 2015

So, the only thing he could do is pass ultra hateful policies ...

So, your solution is? ... Vote for an ultra hateful conservative? ...

Cannot bring myself to do that ... I am thinking, let's promote democratic congresspeople instead ... The movement starts now ... Where do you stand? .. With the ultra hateful conservatives?

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
29. Better than that just go directly to Walker, but then why bother with
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:37 PM
Jul 2015

the puppet and just hold a coronation for the Koch brothers because they will be the real rulers.

alfie

(522 posts)
6. We have GOT to get an effective congress
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:12 PM
Jul 2015

I am worried that not enough is being done to get more Democrats elected to congress as well as state level offices. I live in a deep red state so may not realize the inroads being cut in more progressive and moderate states.

awake

(3,226 posts)
8. If Bernie becomes the POTUS
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:14 PM
Jul 2015

Then turn out would have been huge and he will have a Dem. Congress to work with

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
42. Realistically, there is no way the Dems take back the House before 2022.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:51 PM
Jul 2015

None.

I don't care how big the turnout is in 2016, the districts are rigged. Democratic candidates could get as many as nearly 10 million more votes than the Republicans and the Republicans would still retain control.

The Senate is a different story and the only way the Dems don't take it back is if the Republican candidate wins the White House in a rout.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
47. That's not a realistic expectation.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:01 PM
Jul 2015

The battles must be chosen carefully. There is absolutely no way for Democrats to regain control under the current districting scheme and that will not change until after the 2020 election.

2010 was a disaster of immense proportions because that was the year the Democrats lost the House for at least 12 years. With the huge wins in Congressional races combined with wins on the state level, the Republicans guaranteed there was no way the Democrats would be capable of regaining the House unless the Dems took back the states before redistricting starts in 2021.

awake

(3,226 posts)
48. I agree the "fix" is in but did you ever think that the confederate flag
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:15 PM
Jul 2015

Would come down as fast as it did in SC
I bet a lot of tea bagers might vote for Bernie and if we can run a Anti one presenter in "safe" Republican districts we could flip the House. It is worth a try. I bet that Bernie would do better than Hillary in any case.

ruffburr

(1,190 posts)
9. With the backing of the People-
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:14 PM
Jul 2015

The people have had it with the status quo, If Bernie gets resistance from the wingers/ 3rd wayer's the people will stand up if they try to undermine him as they've done to Obama , I'm afraid that the political revolution will become a real revolution and rightfully so.

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)
11. So you're happy with the greed, corruption, and corporate takeover of America.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:16 PM
Jul 2015

You can't possibly be moved to do anything to change it?

Wow it just continues to blow my mind....

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
13. Reviving Glass/Steagal has bipartisan support in Congress. Clinton says no, Sanders says yes
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:17 PM
Jul 2015

So there is one case where Sanders is the only logical choice.

Do you have any examples of policies that Clinton could get through Congress, but Sanders cannot?



 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
14. Bernie's coat tails are long and deep
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:17 PM
Jul 2015

As he's been amply demonstrating with enormous crowds in dark RED States.

We the People are rising up for a political revolution.

Didn't you get the memo?

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
15. Curious...Why do you ask
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:18 PM
Jul 2015

this question of just the one candidate?
Obviously a Whole Lot of People DO. Including Me and mine.

Re Congress: Well, I guess getting the POTUS Elected isn't the Only Major task at hand, is it?
GOP has 24 Seats up...let's see how many we can fill with lawmakers who Are willing to work with a Democratic President.

We failed PBO on that front..several times.

global1

(25,247 posts)
61. Exactly - And They Will Treat Hillary Just Like They Are Treating Obama....
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:16 PM
Jul 2015

if you continue to want gridlock - vote for Hillary.

Bernie on the other is an Independent. I know he's running for the Dem nomination - but - in his time in Congress - Bernie has had a lot of experience working across the aisle and co-sponsoring bills with Repugs and Dems. He knows how to do that and he doesn't have the Clinton backlash to deal with like Hillary would have to deal with.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
22. Ikr?
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:25 PM
Jul 2015

It's just not worth the struggle. I'll bet JB or DT will be far more effective with this obstructionist Congress. Perfect solution, I think.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
23. Putting the cart before the horse are we?
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:26 PM
Jul 2015

We don't know what his Congress is going to look like, but considering the disgust that the majority have with our present obstruct and then go on vacation Congress, I think voters will show up in record numbers to change the Congress into a progressive one Bernie can get his agenda done.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
26. "Go Out And Make Me Do It" FDR
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:34 PM
Jul 2015

Going to the people was pretty effective for FDR. I see Bernie doing much the same.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
27. Nope...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:35 PM
Jul 2015

Especially give the high unlikelihood of his actually getting through the Primary. But if I were to imagine he did win the Primary, I don't think much of his agenda is likely to be implemented. In part because he has no workable plan for implementation. He's great at railing about all of the problems, but the only fixes are based on raising taxes on the wealthy.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
31. That's a good place to start. this country was at its most prosperous when the
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:40 PM
Jul 2015

upper 5% were being taxed at 90%. If that's all he does, it's a lot.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
28. Yes, I think he will be extremely effective! He won't hesitate to use the bully pulpit.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:36 PM
Jul 2015

And he has said, it requires all of us. Not just him, to effect real change

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
30. Well let's see if congress has always held the country hostage, who would be the kind of POTUS ?
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:40 PM
Jul 2015

Not an insider with feelings of entitlement already .

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
32. No, not at all. If Hillary wasn't in the race Martin O'Malley would be my candidate.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:41 PM
Jul 2015

Thank goodness he is running though. Hillary needs someone to debate with!

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
33. So if the test of an "effective" POTUS is a person who would appeal to Congress,
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:43 PM
Jul 2015

are you implying or assuming that only a GOP candidate has a chance or should be nominated?

Realistically, people have to cast an informed vote. But President Obama has accomplished a number of things on his agenda this year even with a Congress that will never help him on anything.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
34. Well, at least there are not already committees in Congress trying to pin Benghazi and
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:44 PM
Jul 2015

emailgate on him. The GOP hates ayone not GOP, but I think they especially hate Hillary.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
35. At least he clearly speaks
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:47 PM
Jul 2015

of an agenda, and would undoubtedly fight tooth-and-nail for it.

All I get from Clinton is mush about an undefined "living wage," and a strong suspicion that she's okey-dokey with the banks just as they are, thank you.

Oh, and she's in favor of bombs. Lots and lots of bombs.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
38. Do you think some posters stir shit with the intent of causing DUers to froth at the mouth?
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:50 PM
Jul 2015

Would be the better question.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
52. Bully pulpit
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:33 PM
Jul 2015

Just because Obama abandoned the bully pulpit doesn't mean Bernie will. That and executive orders.

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
57. Define "effective"
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:43 PM
Jul 2015

If it means promoting and passing conservative legislation like a traditional Third Way'er because "thats all he can get", then no.

If it means fighting for what he thinks is right without concern for hurting conservative feelings, then yes.

He will be what we thought Obama would be after we pushed to get him elected in 08.

He wont betray us.

FloridaBlues

(4,008 posts)
58. It would be next to impossible
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:48 PM
Jul 2015

To break up "Wall Street " as president.
Look at the push back just to get roadway funding some thing as sime as that issue.

Glad he's talking about it but exactly how he intends to do it is lacking in details.
How exactly does he reform most issues not very detailed at this point.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
65. Nice drive-by, two-sentence post.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:09 PM
Jul 2015

I see you felt so strongly about this issue that you completely avoided engaging in any further discussion.

It's as if you were using a method of fishing where one or more fishing lines, baited with lures or bait fish, are drawn through the water.

Autumn

(45,084 posts)
67. What of Hillary's agenda could she realistically get through Congress?
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:32 PM
Jul 2015

I think Bernie stands a better chance of getting things through. And what he would get through would benefit the people.

 

GusFring

(756 posts)
68. Forget Republicans, I'd bet Democrats wouldnt support most of his agenda.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 02:01 AM
Jul 2015

I find it funny how quickly people have forgot the resistance to Obama's agenda. And Obama is way more charismatic than Bernie.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
69. Sure, he can not appoint foxes and wolves to guard the henhouses. Automatic win.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 06:37 AM
Jul 2015

He can park the drones. Win.

He can not push for toxic "free trade" agreements. Win.

He can refrain from offering up cuts to Social Security. Win.

No need to push the party to be more reactionary in vain pursuit of "bipartisanship". Win.

Dimon and Blankfein not on speed dial. Win.

Doesn't have to coddle and support the dragnet surveillance state. Win.

Cut back in the the dick measuring contests with Putin. Win.

No pushing for H1B visas. Win.

Doesn't see 80% agreement with the TeaPubliKlans. Win.

Not enamored with common core and charters. Win.

Can play more hard ball with nominees, can do what they do to us and push for the fringe and settle for slightly less so when they have the usual conniption fits. Win.

No Grand Bargain shopping. Win.

Clearing out the likes of Clapper. Win.

Not going after whistle blowers. Win.

No pushing austerity. Win.

Stop pushing the stupid and failed drug war. Win.

Plenty of success to be had with not a bill signed.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
70. He and Hill would probably be equally as effective ...
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 07:16 AM
Jul 2015

Either IS going to deal with a fractured, self interested democratic party and absolute, man/women to man/women virulent opposition from what is most likely at least a republican house majority ...

In other words, at least four years of house republicans having a never ending string of culture issue votes no one in the country really cares about all that much with no one actually paying any attention while the media gleefully babbles whatever bullshit the conservative media complex's puke fest du jour that is totally disconnected from the important business of actually running the government.

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