2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDoes anyone really think Bernie Sanders would be an effective POTUS
What of his agenda could he realistically get through Congress?
drm604
(16,230 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Funny how they always leave that out.
Rod Beauvex
(564 posts)But on the flip side, non of Bush's ideas were Democrat friendly, and that didn't stop him at all.
kath
(10,565 posts)Vincardog
(20,234 posts)global1
(25,247 posts)and not Hillary. A Repug would even get more done than Hillary.
Think about your post and what you are suggesting.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)abakan
(1,819 posts)if we can get back the House, and Senate, his chances will be pretty good.
still_one
(92,190 posts)due to gerry mandering
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)If Congress doesn't change, neither a President Sanders nor a President Clinton will get anything approved.
lostnfound
(16,179 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)and it depends on his spport.
Doesn't always?
Trajan
(19,089 posts)So, the only thing he could do is pass ultra hateful policies ...
So, your solution is? ... Vote for an ultra hateful conservative? ...
Cannot bring myself to do that ... I am thinking, let's promote democratic congresspeople instead ... The movement starts now ... Where do you stand? .. With the ultra hateful conservatives?
artislife
(9,497 posts)The congressional elections of 2016 is broken down.
So YES to your OP question
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Stellar
(5,644 posts)Sounds good to me.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)the puppet and just hold a coronation for the Koch brothers because they will be the real rulers.
alfie
(522 posts)I am worried that not enough is being done to get more Democrats elected to congress as well as state level offices. I live in a deep red state so may not realize the inroads being cut in more progressive and moderate states.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)awake
(3,226 posts)Then turn out would have been huge and he will have a Dem. Congress to work with
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)None.
I don't care how big the turnout is in 2016, the districts are rigged. Democratic candidates could get as many as nearly 10 million more votes than the Republicans and the Republicans would still retain control.
The Senate is a different story and the only way the Dems don't take it back is if the Republican candidate wins the White House in a rout.
awake
(3,226 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)The battles must be chosen carefully. There is absolutely no way for Democrats to regain control under the current districting scheme and that will not change until after the 2020 election.
2010 was a disaster of immense proportions because that was the year the Democrats lost the House for at least 12 years. With the huge wins in Congressional races combined with wins on the state level, the Republicans guaranteed there was no way the Democrats would be capable of regaining the House unless the Dems took back the states before redistricting starts in 2021.
awake
(3,226 posts)Would come down as fast as it did in SC
I bet a lot of tea bagers might vote for Bernie and if we can run a Anti one presenter in "safe" Republican districts we could flip the House. It is worth a try. I bet that Bernie would do better than Hillary in any case.
ruffburr
(1,190 posts)The people have had it with the status quo, If Bernie gets resistance from the wingers/ 3rd wayer's the people will stand up if they try to undermine him as they've done to Obama , I'm afraid that the political revolution will become a real revolution and rightfully so.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Congress answers to We the People.
But thanks for your concern Gus.
Bless your heart.
onecaliberal
(32,861 posts)You can't possibly be moved to do anything to change it?
Wow it just continues to blow my mind....
artislife
(9,497 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)So there is one case where Sanders is the only logical choice.
Do you have any examples of policies that Clinton could get through Congress, but Sanders cannot?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)As he's been amply demonstrating with enormous crowds in dark RED States.
We the People are rising up for a political revolution.
Didn't you get the memo?
fredamae
(4,458 posts)this question of just the one candidate?
Obviously a Whole Lot of People DO. Including Me and mine.
Re Congress: Well, I guess getting the POTUS Elected isn't the Only Major task at hand, is it?
GOP has 24 Seats up...let's see how many we can fill with lawmakers who Are willing to work with a Democratic President.
We failed PBO on that front..several times.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)GOP hates her as much as Obama.
global1
(25,247 posts)if you continue to want gridlock - vote for Hillary.
Bernie on the other is an Independent. I know he's running for the Dem nomination - but - in his time in Congress - Bernie has had a lot of experience working across the aisle and co-sponsoring bills with Repugs and Dems. He knows how to do that and he doesn't have the Clinton backlash to deal with like Hillary would have to deal with.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)It's just not worth the struggle. I'll bet JB or DT will be far more effective with this obstructionist Congress. Perfect solution, I think.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)We don't know what his Congress is going to look like, but considering the disgust that the majority have with our present obstruct and then go on vacation Congress, I think voters will show up in record numbers to change the Congress into a progressive one Bernie can get his agenda done.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Going to the people was pretty effective for FDR. I see Bernie doing much the same.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Especially give the high unlikelihood of his actually getting through the Primary. But if I were to imagine he did win the Primary, I don't think much of his agenda is likely to be implemented. In part because he has no workable plan for implementation. He's great at railing about all of the problems, but the only fixes are based on raising taxes on the wealthy.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)upper 5% were being taxed at 90%. If that's all he does, it's a lot.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)And he has said, it requires all of us. Not just him, to effect real change
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Not an insider with feelings of entitlement already .
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Thank goodness he is running though. Hillary needs someone to debate with!
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)are you implying or assuming that only a GOP candidate has a chance or should be nominated?
Realistically, people have to cast an informed vote. But President Obama has accomplished a number of things on his agenda this year even with a Congress that will never help him on anything.
djean111
(14,255 posts)emailgate on him. The GOP hates ayone not GOP, but I think they especially hate Hillary.
bvf
(6,604 posts)of an agenda, and would undoubtedly fight tooth-and-nail for it.
All I get from Clinton is mush about an undefined "living wage," and a strong suspicion that she's okey-dokey with the banks just as they are, thank you.
Oh, and she's in favor of bombs. Lots and lots of bombs.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Would be the better question.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)SAY MY NAME!
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)That was my first thought.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)any other questions?
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)not really but it is a noble attempt .
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Just because Obama abandoned the bully pulpit doesn't mean Bernie will. That and executive orders.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)DJ13
(23,671 posts)If it means promoting and passing conservative legislation like a traditional Third Way'er because "thats all he can get", then no.
If it means fighting for what he thinks is right without concern for hurting conservative feelings, then yes.
He will be what we thought Obama would be after we pushed to get him elected in 08.
He wont betray us.
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)To break up "Wall Street " as president.
Look at the push back just to get roadway funding some thing as sime as that issue.
Glad he's talking about it but exactly how he intends to do it is lacking in details.
How exactly does he reform most issues not very detailed at this point.
MiniMe
(21,716 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I see you felt so strongly about this issue that you completely avoided engaging in any further discussion.
It's as if you were using a method of fishing where one or more fishing lines, baited with lures or bait fish, are drawn through the water.
Autumn
(45,084 posts)I think Bernie stands a better chance of getting things through. And what he would get through would benefit the people.
GusFring
(756 posts)I find it funny how quickly people have forgot the resistance to Obama's agenda. And Obama is way more charismatic than Bernie.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)He can park the drones. Win.
He can not push for toxic "free trade" agreements. Win.
He can refrain from offering up cuts to Social Security. Win.
No need to push the party to be more reactionary in vain pursuit of "bipartisanship". Win.
Dimon and Blankfein not on speed dial. Win.
Doesn't have to coddle and support the dragnet surveillance state. Win.
Cut back in the the dick measuring contests with Putin. Win.
No pushing for H1B visas. Win.
Doesn't see 80% agreement with the TeaPubliKlans. Win.
Not enamored with common core and charters. Win.
Can play more hard ball with nominees, can do what they do to us and push for the fringe and settle for slightly less so when they have the usual conniption fits. Win.
No Grand Bargain shopping. Win.
Clearing out the likes of Clapper. Win.
Not going after whistle blowers. Win.
No pushing austerity. Win.
Stop pushing the stupid and failed drug war. Win.
Plenty of success to be had with not a bill signed.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)Either IS going to deal with a fractured, self interested democratic party and absolute, man/women to man/women virulent opposition from what is most likely at least a republican house majority ...
In other words, at least four years of house republicans having a never ending string of culture issue votes no one in the country really cares about all that much with no one actually paying any attention while the media gleefully babbles whatever bullshit the conservative media complex's puke fest du jour that is totally disconnected from the important business of actually running the government.