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gobears10

(310 posts)
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:19 PM Jul 2015

Hillary Clinton has a pathetic record on race-related issues

Last edited Thu Jul 23, 2015, 04:02 AM - Edit history (1)

HRC on the 1994 Crime Bill:

"We need more police, we need more and tougher prison sentences for repeat offenders. The three strikes and you’re out for violent offenders has to be part of the plan. We need more prisons to keep violent offenders for as long as it takes to keep them off the streets."

Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2015/04/30/why-hillary-clinton-lacks-credibility-on-criminal-justice-reform/


HRC on Bill Clinton's 1996 Welfare Reform:

Many of the advocates who knew Mrs. Clinton as a champion for the poor and working-class women felt betrayed in 1996 when, as first lady, she supported Mr. Clinton’s overhaul of the welfare system, which gave states more power to remove people from welfare rolls and pledged to cut federal spending on assistance for the poor by nearly $55 billion over six years...

Mrs. Clinton expressed no misgivings about the 1996 legislation, saying that it was a needed — and enormously successful — first step toward making poor families self-sufficient.

“Welfare should have been a temporary way station for people who needed immediate assistance,” she said. “It should not be considered an anti-poverty program. It simply did not work.”

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/11/us/politics/11welfare.html?pagewanted=print

However, welfare reform was a resounding failure, especially when mixed with Bill Clinton's War on Drugs. It marginalized single mothers of color who are low-income. Hillary Clinton was defending welfare reform in her 2008 run for POTUS.

Committing a drug crime was supposed to permanently ban a person from food stamps and welfare benefits under a little-discussed provision of the Clinton-Gingrich reforms...

The War on Drugs and the War on Poverty aren’t easily mixed. Making it harder to eat and pay rent won’t help someone busted for pot possession or small-time cocaine sales to recover economically and socially from years in prison. The bans ensure that every discriminatory effect of the drug war gets amplified economically even after the criminal justice system is done with a person. Because women are the primary recipients of both assistance programs, and women of color are more likely to get caught up in the racial disparities of the criminal justice system, the bans have ended up disproportionately affecting women of color and their children — and doing next to nothing to combat either drugs or poverty.

Source: http://sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/cc_A%20Lifetime%20of%20Punishment.pdf


HRC on The War on Drugs:
Hillary Clinton, while a U.S. Senator, opposed addressing the discrepancy in sentencing for using power cocaine vs crack cocaine, one fueling racial disparities in the criminal justice system.

Mrs. Clinton opposed a moderate proposal by the United States Sentencing Commission that would have retroactively reduced the draconian penalties for possession of crack cocaine — a proposal supported by Mr. Obama, and by liberal as well as conservative judges.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/01/opinion/01rosen.html


HRC's "Tough-On-Crime" Policies Through The Years:

1996: In her book, “It Takes a Village,” Clinton again endorses the crime bill, and argues in favor of “zero-tolerance” policies for kids who break the rules at school.

2000: Clinton suggests that the death penalty has her “unenthusiastic support."

(Let's not forget than in application, the death penalty has affected people of color disproportionately.)

2007: Clinton votes “Yes” to reinstate her husband’s COPS initiative, a program for putting hundreds of thousands more police officers on the streets, to full $1.15 billion funding. She also co-sponsors the COPS Improvement Act, which would direct grant money toward the hiring of more anti-terror, anti-gang, and school-based police officers.

2007-2008: Clinton was for medical research into the benefits of marijuana, but not decriminalization.

2008: Clinton's campaign team plays the “soft on crime” card against Barack Obama. Her aides suggest to ABC News that candidate Obama's positions on criminal justice – including his opposition to mandatory-minimum sentences – are too liberal and out-of-touch with mainstream views.

2008: Hillary Clinton's campaign's relied on code words and innuendo seemingly designed to frame Barack Obama's race as problematic, saying Obama was characterized by the Clinton campaign and its prominent supporters as anti-white due to his association with Reverend Jeremiah Wright, as able to attract only black votes, as anti-patriotic, a drug user, possibly a drug seller, and married to an angry, ungrateful black woman. Clinton's campaign engages in "dog-whistle politics" to appeal to subtle and blatant anti-black racism among working class whites.

2014: Later in the year, Clinton labeled marijuana a "gateway drug" where there "can't be a total absence of law enforcement."

2015: Clinton says "All Lives Matter" instead of "Black Lives Matter" at a historical black church. She hasn't apologized or publicly expressed her regret for her views.

Source: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/05/01/a-more-or-less-definitive-guide-to-hillary-clinton-s-record-on-law-and-order
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Hillary Clinton has a pathetic record on race-related issues (Original Post) gobears10 Jul 2015 OP
Third-Way is all about smoke and mirrors. eom NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #1
This point cannot be made more often or more convincingly. Excellent post. leveymg Jul 2015 #2
How is it that when African Americans raise the issue of candidates speaking to BainsBane Jul 2015 #23
good point azurnoir Jul 2015 #46
He has said it many times BainsBane Jul 2015 #47
first off I didn't have to search for anything I just clicked the links you provided azurnoir Jul 2015 #48
I find your opinion offensive BainsBane Jul 2015 #61
so it seems you're insinuating that I am 1. racist 2. a closet republican/conservative? azurnoir Jul 2015 #62
No. I am not BainsBane Jul 2015 #64
there's another poll that tells a different story about who supports who azurnoir Jul 2015 #63
Gallup vs. PPP BainsBane Jul 2015 #65
No matter how deplorable her record... HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #3
didn't Sanders vote for the crime bill ? JI7 Jul 2015 #4
Sanders made a mistake... gobears10 Jul 2015 #6
the speech you linked to dsc Jul 2015 #11
his overall record... gobears10 Jul 2015 #14
Hillary didn't vote for the 1994 crime bill. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #19
You forgot about being the candidate of "hardworking people, white people" n/t eridani Jul 2015 #5
I see that as a gaffe, attempting to speak to her audience (and blundering). Maedhros Jul 2015 #10
California three-strikesn law Proposition 184 passed by 71.8% BlueStateLib Jul 2015 #33
Apparently 71.8% of Californians are cruel. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #58
WTF? 20 years ago? Gman Jul 2015 #7
how about 7 years ago? gobears10 Jul 2015 #8
I completely agree with you, and I think it's a big reason why Bernie is being so stillwaiting Jul 2015 #9
+1 Zorra Jul 2015 #18
+1 azurnoir Jul 2015 #44
Lampedusa and the Aguán Valley are filling with people of lower albedo suffering from her policies MisterP Jul 2015 #12
More evidence of dog-whistle politics by HRC in 2008 gobears10 Jul 2015 #13
Sanders has never done dog whistles. Not on race. Not on anything else eridani Jul 2015 #16
Beg to differ Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #21
Does Chicago have a serious gang violence problem? 6chars Jul 2015 #29
No gangsters in Chicago. Just your normal every day tax-evading working stiffs Scootaloo Jul 2015 #30
It's a euphemism for Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #56
you seem to have very fine tuned hearing kudo's azurnoir Jul 2015 #45
They want to promote the meme the social justice is incompatable with ethnic and gender equality betterdemsonly Jul 2015 #15
The DLC group are still hostile to both Hydra Jul 2015 #27
Yes, her record on race-related issues is horrible. kath Jul 2015 #17
Did Sanders have a vote on the crime bill? nt. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #20
I'm not going to defend those statements BainsBane Jul 2015 #22
I didn't read past the first quote Sheepshank Jul 2015 #24
They are all old statements BainsBane Jul 2015 #26
Did she ever apologize to BLM for her insensitive remark right after sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #25
Nope. HappyPlace Jul 2015 #54
Yes, which is why I go to the real media for news and tend to ignore sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #57
And yet HRC has the overwhelming support ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #28
I'd be interested to know if you agree with her record ibegurpard Jul 2015 #32
Another non-sequitar from you tonight, my friend. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #35
OP linked specifics of her record ibegurpard Jul 2015 #36
I asked a VERY specific question of the OP. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #37
I asked a very specific question of you ibegurpard Jul 2015 #39
If I thought the points raised in the OP ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #42
Yeah I figured ibegurpard Jul 2015 #43
Thankfully, she's not running on that platform now BainsBane Jul 2015 #38
Well i guess that piece of legislation is a wash then ibegurpard Jul 2015 #40
You're the first person who has even acknowledged it BainsBane Jul 2015 #41
Yes, this record sucks. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #31
Bernie voted for that crime bill BainsBane Jul 2015 #34
Bad vote by Bernie. Once. Hillary seems to have a much worse record on this issue, though. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #60
So you're saying minority voters are too STUPID to vote in their best interest? brooklynite Jul 2015 #49
No that's what YOU'RE saying it's saying ibegurpard Jul 2015 #50
Another clueless,tone deaf post from a Bernie supporter.nt sufrommich Jul 2015 #51
Is this a record you'd like to defend? ibegurpard Jul 2015 #52
A response with no substance. What a surprise. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #59
Clintons are master triangulators nt HFRN Jul 2015 #53
W/o the COPS initiative Historic NY Jul 2015 #55

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
2. This point cannot be made more often or more convincingly. Excellent post.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:26 PM
Jul 2015

Welcome to DU, gobears10, and I hope you post more and often.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
47. He has said it many times
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 04:36 AM
Jul 2015

I didn't even find the two posts he had hidden for saying it. Given your searching finesse, you should be able to find them pretty quickly.

Evidently my pasting something wrong is more important to you than why he sees the subject so differently in this thread than in the others. Call me crazy, but I think African Americans have every right to ask about issues related to their community without being insulted.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
48. first off I didn't have to search for anything I just clicked the links you provided
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 05:07 AM
Jul 2015

secondly while I agree that PoC have a right to ask questions about issues related to their communities, IMO what has happened with Sanders has become indeed almost Lee Atwateresque and I'm not talking about African American posters either

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
61. I find your opinion offensive
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:09 PM
Jul 2015

but besides that, the comments have been directed toward two separate African American posters, just as Black Lives Matter was dismissed in those same terms, and as a Koch conspiracy.

Lee Atwater worked for white supremacist rule. Black Lives Matter works for the opposite, to stop an epidemic of police killings of black people. They are not Bernie Sanders oppressors or the oppressors of the older, white population. The AA posters on this site accused of Lee Atwater tactics asked how the candidates were going to speak to the concerns of their communities. One is even a Sanders supporter, or she was until last weekend when white "progressives" took to social media to try to discredit BLM. Their concerns are not less than anyone else's. Their vote is not less. In fact, as a block it is far more powerful than yours or mine, and they intend to use it that way. #earnthisdamnvoteforlose.

America has changed. Black folks are no longer willing to fall in line behind what white "progressives" or Democrats demand. They are asserting their own interests, and I say more power to them. This country will be far better for it, though I suspect some will not see it that way.

Better find a new tactic, cause this one ain't gonna work.

Additionally, the outrage to the criticism of Sanders is rich in comparison to the tens of thousands of posts smearing Clinton. I find it astounding that people don't even attempt any kind of even standard. And don't tell me it's because Sanders deserves better because he is so progressive. That isn't his electoral support base:

Hillary 57% overall support
64% identifying at very liberal
58% identifying as liberal
59% identifying as moderate
37% identifying as somewhat conservative
27% identifying as very conservative

Sanders 22% overall support
26% identifying at very liberal
19% identifying as liberal
16% identifying as moderate
31% identifying as somewhat conservative
42% identifying as very conservative

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_72215.pdf

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
62. so it seems you're insinuating that I am 1. racist 2. a closet republican/conservative?
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 05:03 PM
Jul 2015

that's umm unique to say the least, usually I'm a 'fringe leftist"

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
64. No. I am not
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 05:55 PM
Jul 2015

I am saying accusations that AA and others who raise issues related to racism and the AA community are not akin to white racists and pretending they are is unacceptable.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
3. No matter how deplorable her record...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:30 PM
Jul 2015

All it takes to swift boat her opponent is a hashtag meme. Beware those who are driving wedges between allies.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
4. didn't Sanders vote for the crime bill ?
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:31 PM
Jul 2015

also one reason hillary does well with minorities is she has is always working with them and i'm sure they advise and help her in her reach out efforts.

gobears10

(310 posts)
6. Sanders made a mistake...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:44 PM
Jul 2015

on the crime bill. But unlike HRC, he didn't defend his mistake for so long. HRC was defending her tough on crime stance all through her 2008 campaign run, and even in 2014. She only recently made a full 180 degrees swing.

Bernie was much more solid on the other issues: the War on Drugs, welfare reform, mass incarceration, tough-on-crime policies in general, etc. He lashed out against tough on crime policies in 1991 when establishment Dems were pushing for a really tough crime bill:

&feature=youtu.be

Now Sanders wants to ban for-profit private prisons, wants to end police brutality and incarceration, wants to improve economic opportunity, and a whole host of other stuff. He's consistently opposed the death penalty. Opposes three-strikes laws, broken window policing, and mandatory minimum sentencing. Opposes stop-and-frisk, police militarization, more police on the ground, incarcerating nonviolent drug offenders, and other issues.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
11. the speech you linked to
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:08 PM
Jul 2015

was given before his vote in 94 and was about a totally different bill.

gobears10

(310 posts)
14. his overall record...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 04:14 AM
Jul 2015

Bernie, who was a Civil Rights Activist in the 1960s to fight anti-black oppression. Bernie, who marched with MLK in 1963 and witnessed his "I Had a Dream" speech at the "March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom." Bernie who was a student organizer for the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC). Bernie who coordinated sit-ins against racially segregated housing at the University of Chicago. Bernie who got arrested for civil disobedience, protesting racially segregated schools in Chicago. What was Hillary doing? She was a Republican and Goldwater Girl, with Barry Goldwater being infamous for opposing the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Bernie who publicly denounced police brutality. Bernie who backed Jesse Jackson's 1988 run for POTUS, who opposed the tough on crime policies of the 1990s, who opposed the 1996 welfare reform that marginalized poor women of color. Who continues to oppose mass incarceration, the war on drugs, police militarization, police brutality, the death penalty, etc. He wants to stop incarcerating people and building more jails, he wants to build more schools. He wants to stop locking up people for non-violent crimes, and wants to look at our drug laws. He wants to put body cameras on police. He opposes mandatory minimums. He supports community policing. I assume he's against three-strikes laws, stop-and-frisk. He voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. He supports rehabilitation over punitive measures. He wants to lower recidivism. He's against putting hundreds of thousands of cops on the street. He wants to decriminalize marijuana consumption, and is looking at legalization.

He was the first POTUS to say Sandra Bland's name, and directly addressed systemic racism, and acknowledged that beyond economic reforms, more had to be done to specifically address institutional factors behind anti-black racism. He condemned the Sandra Bland video, talked about how police harass, assault, and kill people of color. He's in the right on the issue.

Class-based oppression intersects with racism to exacerbate racism. Much of racism is fundamentally rooted in unfettered capitalism, although there is racism independent of economics as well. The catalyst for Baltimore was police brutality, but tell me that it wasn't important that the area had high levels of unemployment, poverty, poor education resources, low opportunities for upward mobility, and other class-related problems. Tell me that city zoning laws, property-tax financed public schools, single-parent homes, etc., aren't important in upward mobility. Tell me that healthcare, a lack of networking and connections, and avenues to college aren't extremely important. When the youth african american unemployment rate is 51%, tell me that that's not important. Affordable housing, minimum wages, jobs, education, etc., of course these are important, given that poverty causes more crime. With less crime, it'll be easier to call out cops for excessive use of force.

So Bernie is offering us both: economic and racial justice. We can't have one without the other.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
10. I see that as a gaffe, attempting to speak to her audience (and blundering).
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:52 PM
Jul 2015

Her stances as shown in the OP cannot be written off so easily, though.

I was surprised by her support for three-strikes laws, frankly. Those laws give immense power to prosecuting attorneys, who can choose to charge or not charge a defendant based upon color - and often do. They have caused immense suffering.

And, one look at the disproportionate number of black inmates relative to the population makes her support for the Prison Industrial Complex pretty damned ugly.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
7. WTF? 20 years ago?
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:41 PM
Jul 2015

Were you even born yet or still in diapers that you know so much about Hillary's race record.

I don't think you're going to persuade anyone with that.

gobears10

(310 posts)
8. how about 7 years ago?
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:27 PM
Jul 2015

...She held many of those views in her 2008 campaign (crack v powder cocaine for example)

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
9. I completely agree with you, and I think it's a big reason why Bernie is being so
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:39 PM
Jul 2015

vigorously attacked.

With that said, I do hope that Bernie incorporates MORE of the social justice issues in to his campaign speeches. I have no doubt that he would be better on socioeconomic issues than HRC in office.

Thanks for this post.

gobears10

(310 posts)
13. More evidence of dog-whistle politics by HRC in 2008
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 04:09 AM
Jul 2015

Last edited Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:09 AM - Edit history (1)

“'I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,” she said in the interview, citing an article by The Associated Press. It “found how Senator Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.… There’s a pattern emerging here,' she said.

The audio from that interview was especially upsetting, because of the way it sounded as if Clinton were saying that “hard-working Americans” and “white Americans” are synonymous. That earlier slip makes it easy to meet her current repeated promise to champion the interests of “everyday Americans” with one of those side eyes. Who does she mean this time around? On Sunday, the multiracially cast video that Team Clinton released to announce her candidacy hits a lot of the right notes in terms of communicating inclusivity. There’s the glowing black couple preparing for the birth of their son, the adorable black child talking about dressing up as a fish for an upcoming play. But beyond the symbols, Clinton will need to make sure she avoids galling missteps this time around.


Source: http://www.thenation.com/article/what-hillary-clinton-should-remember-she-courts-black-voters/

eridani

(51,907 posts)
16. Sanders has never done dog whistles. Not on race. Not on anything else
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:03 AM
Jul 2015

You don't have to if you say what you mean.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
21. Beg to differ
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:25 PM
Jul 2015
“In our state, guns are used for hunting. In Chicago, they’re used for kids in gangs killing other kids or people shooting at police officers, shooting down innocent people,” Mr. Sanders said. “We need a sensible debate about gun control which overcomes the cultural divide that exists in this country. And I think I can play an important role in this.”

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/7/bernie-sanders-999-percent-of-gun-owners-obey-the-/#ixzz3gjhAHAET
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The "Chicago gang" reference seems really dog whistley to me.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
29. Does Chicago have a serious gang violence problem?
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:31 AM
Jul 2015

I thought I heard something about that in the last few years. Maybe not.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
56. It's a euphemism for
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:56 AM
Jul 2015

Young black male.

Especially when juxtaposed against the law-abiding hunter reference.

It's a dog whistle. Everybody knows exactly what he meant.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
45. you seem to have very fine tuned hearing kudo's
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 04:23 AM
Jul 2015

however here's the entire quote in context

“I want to see real serious debate and action on guns. But it is not going to take place if we simply have extreme positions on both sides. I think I can bring us to the middle,” he added.

Mr. Sanders took on rivals who criticized him for voting for a law that protects gun manufacturers from lawsuits by gun violence victims. Democratic presidential rival Hillary Rodham Clinton referred to the bill in New Hampshire on Saturday, saying it was the “height of irresponsibility not to talk about it,” the Washington Examiner reported.

Mr. Sanders argued Sunday that a gun manufacturer is no more responsible for a murder committed with its product than a hammer manufacturer is responsible for a murder committed with its hammer.

“We have been yelling and screaming at each other about guns for decades, with very little success,” he said. “I come from a state that has virtually no gun control. But the people of my state understand, I think, pretty clearly, that guns in Vermont are not the same thing as guns in Chicago or guns in Los Angeles.

“In our state, guns are used for hunting. In Chicago, they’re used for kids in gangs killing other kids or people shooting at police officers, shooting down innocent people,” Mr. Sanders said. “We need a sensible debate about gun control which overcomes the cultural divide that exists in this country. And I think I can play an important role in this.”


http://dbvnews.com/news-bernie-sanders--and-39;999-percent-and-39;-of-gun-owners-obey-the-law-10757.dbv

the cultural divide here is between those who see guns solely as tools of crime and those that see guns as solely tools law abiding sports people

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
15. They want to promote the meme the social justice is incompatable with ethnic and gender equality
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 04:58 AM
Jul 2015

In fact the dlcers were very hostile to both up until recently, and then only promoted ethnic and gender equality among elites.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
27. The DLC group are still hostile to both
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:27 AM
Jul 2015

They just prefer to frame it in terms of economic weight...and sadly, it seems to be working.

kath

(10,565 posts)
17. Yes, her record on race-related issues is horrible.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:01 PM
Jul 2015

People really need to be made aware of this.

K&R

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
22. I'm not going to defend those statements
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:39 PM
Jul 2015

because I don't support them. I will point out I see a problematic association between people of color, drugs, and welfare. I think people need to think more broadly about the issues and concerns of people of color, and that can't happen without listening.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
24. I didn't read past the first quote
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:58 AM
Jul 2015

Repeat violent offenders ... She wants to get tough on repeat violent offenders....this has nothing to do with pot users etc.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
25. Did she ever apologize to BLM for her insensitive remark right after
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:07 AM
Jul 2015

the terrible terror attack in Charleston on African Americans? I know AAs were outraged by her seeming unawareness of the existence of the BLM movement. But I do not recall her apologizing to them.

Seeing the reaction I would say she has a problem with AA voters.

It really made me cringe when I learned what she had said. I have followed the movement from the beginning and was appalled that someone running for president and claiming to be supportive of AAs, could have made an awful error.

 

HappyPlace

(568 posts)
54. Nope.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 08:28 AM
Jul 2015

But then when you are friendly with the people who own the media, you aren't likely to be taken to task.

However, be a Bernie Sanders with a solid record and suddenly 40 50-million candlepower spotlights are on you.

Bern. Yeah.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
57. Yes, which is why I go to the real media for news and tend to ignore
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:31 AM
Jul 2015

Corporate Media which we know will be working for their bosses in this election.

On Social Media regarding Hillary's lack of knowledge of a movement that has been in existence since Ferguson, there is a very different reaction, from the people themselves, none of whom are going to be interviewed on the Corporate Media.

Is it any wonder that their ratings are so low? After the lies and propaganda they helped spread that got us into all those terrible wars in the ME, they have zero credibility.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
28. And yet HRC has the overwhelming support ...
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:30 AM
Jul 2015

... of AAs and minorities. I guess they just aren't getting the message that people here are pushing.

Do you think it's because they're low-info voters? Do you think it's because they don't know what's "best for them"?

Is it because they see Hillary's name and say, "Hey, I recognize that name, so I'm going to support her even though I don't know anything about her?"

Maybe they don't read newspapers, or watch the news on TV or listen to it on the radio? Maybe it's because they JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND what a terrible person she's been?

What's your theory as to why the people who are most directly and profoundly affected by the policies of the POTUS are overwhelmingly anxious to see to it that Hillary IS the next POTUS?

I'd be interested in your views as to why that is.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
32. I'd be interested to know if you agree with her record
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:58 AM
Jul 2015

I'll wait for a person of color to tell me why they do or do not support Hillary Clinton.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
35. Another non-sequitar from you tonight, my friend.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:07 AM
Jul 2015

What does that have to do with my queries of the OP?

The OP stated that "Hillary Clinton has a pathetic record on race-related issues", and yet poll after poll shows that AAs/minorities overwhelming support her.

So I asked the OP why she thinks that is the case.

It's a very simple, straightforward question - asked not of a PoC, but of the person who posted the OP.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
36. OP linked specifics of her record
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:15 AM
Jul 2015

You pivoted to her support from African Americans without addressing any of it. Do you agree that this is a good record or not? I think you need to go look up the definition of non sequitur again. Oh and for the record...we are not friends.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
37. I asked a VERY specific question of the OP.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:24 AM
Jul 2015

He/she can choose to answer or not.

I think we both know what non-sequitur means.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
42. If I thought the points raised in the OP ...
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:39 AM
Jul 2015

... were worth responding to, would have responded to them.

They're not - so I didn't.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
43. Yeah I figured
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:52 AM
Jul 2015

So you just stopped by to lay a non sequitur egg...meaning something unrelated to the thread topic and a pivot to something you would prefer to discuss... namely the level of African American support for Clinton instead of the record presented here. Stick to your banal rah-rah OPs.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
41. You're the first person who has even acknowledged it
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:35 AM
Jul 2015

everybody else just ignores the information. They prefer to pretend it was all the First Lady's fault.

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
49. So you're saying minority voters are too STUPID to vote in their best interest?
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 07:10 AM
Jul 2015

With one exception, these examples all pre-date the last election, which showed that plenty of African Americans were happy to vote for Hillary. Guess they're just not as smart as you are?

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
55. W/o the COPS initiative
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:08 AM
Jul 2015

many communities big and small would never have been able to hire police officers or afford training. Many locations today have historically lower crime rates than they ever did. Ny City for example has homicide rates lower than the 50's .

http://clinton5.nara.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-06.html

http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/

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