this is a rhetorical question, yes? Or a daydream?

but she also probably realizes Bernie can't realistically beat Hillary.. but she might be able to. Seems that would be a quandary for many in the Bernie camp.

But I have tremendous respect for Bernie, and was overjoyed when he announced.

In retrospect, when she ran for the Senate it was very obvious that she does not like the process of campaigning.

Hillary is a stronger candidate by far and Joe doesn't really offer much in contrast to Hillary's positions.

Are we just making things up now and painting it onto large groups of people?

Funny how you omit supporters of other candidates, as if none of them would go to Warren.

I feel like I've wandered onto a playground by mistake.

This is discussion board to discuss things... right?

If you are not interested in this topic then.. get lost.

since when?

It seems a fair question for consideration.

Clinton supporters would do in that case?

give a shit?

I don't intend to drop Bernie for anyone unless I learn things about him that tell me he is not what I thought. What do you think the chances of that are? Hey I know, maybe you should make a thread about that too!

It is so nice y'all have so much interest in us and our motivations.

It's not even about the candidate now

not landing on Sanders supporters now is it? I would be embarrassed to be writing crap like this.

I wonder what Hillary's supporters would do if Bill got in the race...or or or or what if he was her VP? Would the women leave because of his philandering ways? Hmmmm??

This is too funny to even pay any attention to but for some reason I felt like I had to. I think I will perhaps slide another onto a list I have so I don't feel tempted to get snarky and say things like shit when I shouldn't.

Silly season isn't just silly anymore is it?

That's when I expect the Gerrafalo-level bile to really start seeping out.

"Selina Myer - boldly running for first woman president; proudly standing for everything!"

This is wickedly brilliant and clearly written by people who have seen the cynical, self-involved, boundlessly ambitious nature of some politicians, as well as the infighting of senior staffers anxious to claim credit for others' work and duck responsibility for their own screwups. Julia Louis-Dreyfuss has deservedly won many awards, as has the show.

Veep has received critical acclaim and won several major awards. It has been nominated three years in a row for the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Comedy Series, its second season won the Writers Guild of America Award for Television: Comedy Series, and its third season won the TCA Award for Outstanding Achievement in Comedy. It joins The Office, 30 Rock, and Modern Family as the only comedy series since 2000 to win awards from both the Screen Actors Guild and the Writers Guild of America in the same year. Louis-Dreyfus has won three consecutive Primetime Emmy Awards, one Screen Actors Guild Award, two Critics' Choice Television Awards and one Television Critics Association Award for her performance.

Going to have to find pet sits with cable.

I guess its remote but seems a possibility. As I said in a previous post she might be tempted with all the populist mania.. but she also probably realizes Bernie can't realistically beat Hillary.. but she might be able to.

Thanks.

Oops out of the frying pan and into the fire.



But seriously, I think Bernie and Elizabeth had a chat about Elizabeth running. I think the reason he jumped in was because she assured him she was serious about sitting this one out.

how it went. I was waiting for Bernie and waiting for Bernie. So happy it turned out this way. Not that I don't like her a lot but I TRUST Bernie.

The draft Warren blurbs, people saying yeah she's good, but it would be even better if Bernie ran.


I didn't think he would do it and I am very happy at how well it is going. We have time to chip, chip, chip away .

We will just have to see if history repeats itself.

He's not. So don't you worry about past elections, they are not repeats.

Her followers haven't changed one bit, and neither has she.

Before announcing his candidacy, Bernie said he was holding off to see if Elizabeth was going to run because they'd be running essentially the same campaign. When Bernie announced his candidacy, it was clear to those paying attention that Elizabeth was not going to run.

Nice try shit-stirring.

Sorry for stinking up the place.

Senator Warren, as awesome as she is, was always my second choice to Senator Sanders.

But as they say...


... wish in one hand and....

Switch to Elizabeth Warren. I had hoped that Elizabeth would run but she has made it clear that she will not be running and unlike other politicians Elizabeh is known for keeping her word so I do not think there is any chance of Warren running.

... are currently BS supporters. So, no, there wouldn't be any move on their part.

The current Bernie supporters, however, would probably lose a fair amount of backers to Warren's camp.

Elizabeth Warren has made it crystal clear she is not going to run. Given that I will do nothing.
But hypothetically if she did, I would still do nothing, except work for Bernie harder.

Too much of a hawk. Bernie's my guy. Nice try, though.

Which is a more likely scenario.

10952 times she wasn't running in 2016, but you never know

... maybe 10,953 times is the charm!

I really doubt Warren is going to run. Consequently you get to speculate freely about the consequences of this improbability. Go for it.

To sabotage Sanders.

Wonder what the Clinton supporters would do if Eliza beth Warren decided to run?Because she would peel more votes from Hillary then from Bernie . Joe Biden would pull more votes from Hillary,but I doubt he is interested in VP again. We all know Elizabeth has said she is not running but the possibility of Vp for her well now that is something to speculate.I see a future run for Warren however.1 st woman prez very well could be Elizabeth Warren

would be like if George Washington had been a horse.

I submit my hypothetical musing is as valid as yours.

Discuss.

Keep getting better with the comedy and pretty soon I'll be counseling you to quit your day job. You are that funny.

So if she ran, she would draw votes from both Bernie and Hillary. I would prefer Bernie, but I find O'Malley, Warren, and Sherrod Brown all preferable to Hillary as the democratic candidate.

He endorsed BS, yet he supposedly has a low opinion of both major parties (and EW is actually a Democrat), so it's hard for me to say with him at least.

I think they would drop her like a hot potato. I also wonder what would happen if some people got bubble gum stuck in their navel? Would it make them happy?

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There is a vested pride that would ruin all of their previous "talking" points. In other words, They've gotta stick with what they said. Now that it's all been put down in writing and searchable, blatant hypocrisy would not seem a wise choice. But likely the ballot box may not see that overt loyalty.

In 1968 many liberal anti-Vietnam Democrats were urging Robert Kennedy to run for the nomination against Lyndon Johnson. Kennedy declined. The anti-war Democrats second choice was Eugene McCarthy.

McCarthy ran, and much to everyone's surprise came within a hair's-breadth of defeating a sitting president in the New Hampshire primary. Johnson soon decided he was not going to run for re-election.

Then -- after McCarthy had tested the waters and driven Lyndon Johnson from the race -- Robert Kennedy changed his mind and declared his candidacy. McCarthy and Kennedy ended up splitting the anti-war Democratic vote in the primaries, ensuring the nomination of Hubert Humphrey.

My hope (and belief) is that Sen. Warren is not as opportunistic as Robert Kennedy and will not reverse herself and decide to run now that Bernie Sanders is showing the strength of the liberal wing of the party. Donno.

The United States of America was in a full blown war in Vietnam. The Democratic Party asked Pres. Johnson to step aside. President Lyndon Johnson was a champion for human rights.

I don't know how you get your title "Eugene McCarthy became President of the United States?" from what I wrote. Anyway, no "the Democratic Party" did not ask Johnson to step aside. He was in fact running for re-election and only dropped out after McCarthy's strong showing in New Hampshire.

The New Hampshire primary was on March 12. McCarthy won 42% of the vote, Johnson 49%. Against a sitting president, such a showing was a stunning upset. Robert Kennedy announced his run two days later, and Johnson dropped out a couple weeks after that. The only way the Democratic Party "asked" Johnson to step aside was by demonstrating in New Hampshire that there was a strong chance he'd be humiliated if he stayed in the race.

And nobody is denying that Johnson was a champion for human rights, unless of course you happened to be a Vietnamese human.

"Bernie who?"

She was quite clear that she is not running. That's why the "Ready For Warren" group endorsed Bernie. She's not running.

I know it would relieve some of your tension if someone jumped into the race to split the non-Hillary vote in a substantial way.

It's not happening.

But Senator Warren already has her work cut out for her where she is, and I would prefer not to lose another Dem that's on our side in the Senate.

It would be nice if Al Gore was running too on a combating climate change platform, but last time he tried to try out the race he started reflexively triangulating again.

Five minutes later, all Bernie all the time.

Thus the 'Not Hillary' Party.

Many of them here still have Warren graphics in their signature. Sad really.

I wonder what would happen if squirrels shit rainbows?

It was Elizabeth Warren who encouraged him.

I was for Elizabeth before she said she wouldn't run. I was hoping to have a female candidate with integrity that i could feel good about voting for. When Bernie hinted at running, I jumped right on his bus.

If Elizabeth did decide to run, I would continue to support Bernie.

Liberal Dems don't sell out their people.

And from all that I've learned about Bernie, it is clear that Bernie is by far the most awesome all around candidate we've had for the Dem nomination since Bobby Kennedy.

Bobby Kennedy is, of course, the awesome candidate who declined to run in early 1968 because he didn't think it was possible to defeat Lyndon Johnson for the nomination. He jumped in to the race only two days after Eugene McCarthy had demonstrated in New Hampshire that an anti-war candidate could possibly defeat a sitting president for the nomination. This split the anti-war part of the party between Kennedy and McCarthy. (Liberal Dems do in fact sell out their people. You could ask Eugene McCarthy.) It also ensured the nomination of Hubert Humphrey, and led to the election of Richard Nixon.

My hope is that Elizabeth Warren is more awesome than Robert Kennedy, and not so opportunistic.

Meanwhile those of us who support, Bernie are done wondering and waiting for answers from TPTB and we are out promoting the policies we would like to see established. Keep on wondering though it's sure to be a winning strategy for who ever you are supporting.