who doesn't understand that " how does this not divide us" is code for "shut up".


I'm just going to keep posting this until every person posting this dreck gets it.

The privilege deniers need to hear that non-stop.

Round and round we go.

When you grow up with wealth, you just cannot understand poverty on a certain level.

What's the point?

It's a close cousin to

"We don't like your TONE...."

You keep posting, and I'll keep existing.

You don't want discussion. You want agreement. You want to attack allies and then feel like you might've accomplished something. You fail to allow others to express their perceptions and definitions without attacking them for not agreeing with you.

Thanks for saying so.

I'll be walking away from posting shortly.

Take it away kids. Enjoy burning it all down.

Just saying

I swear-----GET OVER IT.

I think Bernie is the best candidate on the table


But some of you whiney, dumb, and tone deaf Bernie supporters are making it hard to support him.

He doesn't need protecting.

If you waved a confederate flag, you wouldn't be more offensive.

STOP

Listen to the one or two AA posters we may have still on this site after all the teeth gnashing that has been done.

If you don't know any, go to the AA group to look at names

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE--Post anything. That is a hallowed space. It is not for you to "share" an opinion.

Listening is an active.

Try to WANT to understand

you posted your awesome put down about Sanders supporters to a Hillary supporter.

By creating my own thread.

I woke up and saw thread after thread of Bernie supporters going ballistic over a protest. So he and O'Malley didn't get to have their talks. That happens, the reaction to that happening seemed way over the top.

So---- yes I let my emotions out. You might argue that it was over the top.

I don't really care that a Hillary supporter can take my put down. They are very creative on their own and frankly, they are lucky to get a pass this time. It is so much bigger than internet wars, it is about how we really are when it comes to race, to disappointment, to flame wars. There's a saying " How you do anything is how you do everything. My kumbaya vision of Bernie supporters was smashed.

Probably a good thing. It is always better to deal from reality and I don't hate anyone.

I guess I expected something else from people who support Bernie. I saw this in the 2008 election from Hillary supporters saying anything to protect their candidate. Even after her campaign had the dog whistles. And that kind of loyalty without boundaries bothered me.

I am firmly behind Bernie, but now I know that not everyone is committed to civil justice if it doesn't look the way they want it to. This site is a minefield.

peace

The in-fighting and attacks are completely counter-productive.

No ally is going to be perfect. We whites have a long way to go
in that department.

But allies are allies no matter what.

As a woman, I have to completely appreciate my male allies,
while realize that they might have moments of sexism or
other faults.

But I will not attack them for that or ambush them in the cause
of perfect feminist purity.

On the shit stirring part yes, on the white privilege, no.
There is a lot of white privilege here at DU.

which is why, in all of President Obama's speeches about race, he has never once used that phrase.

Is there anyone who seriously thinks that saying "how can we end white privilege?" is going to result in a more productive discussion than saying (for example) "what can we do to end racism in the criminal justice system?" ?

That frankly should be self evident; people wouldn't use it if they didn't seriously think it was a productive way of looking at the discussion.

Bryant

Because white people are so 'sensitive' that they can't handle a little truth?

Because people who aren't white have to watch how they phrase and frame their conversations so as not to upset white people?

Frank discussions--not tip-toeing--lead to change.

This is just the opening salvo.

I haven't seen a massive vale of tears over the term "male privilege" -- save from people with a bit of a sexist lean. Why is this "white privilege" term touching so many raw nerves? Could it be that the truth hurts?

If you don't get followed around the store, you're benefitting from white privilege. If you don't get the second glance in that all - white venue, you're benefitting from white privilege. It's not always the biggies--the job statistics, less money for local schools, the police brutality--that are at issue, here...it's the everyday, little shit.

Where you stand depends on where you sit, day in, day out.

someone complain about their white privilege not protecting them from admitting they have with privilege.

I'm glad to see you think he's a great advocate for racial justice though. White privilege is definitely a real thing that needs to be acknowledged, and I think Bernie Sanders would agree.

One thing that's been very clear to me is the activist black community doesn't like it when white people "whitesplain" how they are to properly conduct their protests.

To pretend otherwise equals complete pandering. The meme "I protested with MLK 50 years ago and thereby proved my black rights chomps," just doesn't cut it. NO WAY.

of good progressives like Sanders and O'Malley is probably not the best strategy to further the goal of ending racism is "whitesplaining", then I guess I am a "whitesplainer".

So, take it how you will.

you don't get to decide what's important for the rest of us like you're large and in charge,sitting on the mountaintop issuing missives to the little people. That's a fact.

no doubt. No doubt at all. Cept, no one with any sense listens to you.

it's the thought that counts and everything, so thanks I guess.. .but no thanks. Please don't try to link up Bernie Sanders adn your own ignorant denial of White privilege. We don't need your kind of "help."

And I understand how that can be hard. White progressives need to stop trying to outBlack AA's.

"Shit-stirring"? Really?

And he feels fine because he don't have to worry about a cop stopping him because he's white. And his mother doesn't have to worry about if he'll come home alive.

And he doesn't have to worry about getting arrested for looting that old house because he's white. And on, and on, and on....

We, the people of the United States need to talk about this stuff openly and get over our racial past.

Full disclosure: I'm a middle aged, straight, white male, living in America.

That means I get privilege whether I want it or not. Just like everybody else who is not white and straight and male doesn't get. That's the reality we have and its wrong and we have to change it.

Its going to take all of our voices, and we won't always be on the same page. We don't have the same experiences and its going to be hard for us to relate to one another, but we must do it if we every want to really be the land of the Free.

I can never know what the black experience is. But I imagine its exhausting. Dealing with it every minute of ever hour of every day, I have deep respect for anyone who can put up with that and remain sane. That frustration has to piss people off, it would piss me off were I in that position. It does piss me off, I hate inequality. But my experience coming to this is different than non-white, non-male, non-straight people. If someone tells me I don't know the black experience, they're exactly right. But its also not a judgement on me, its a simple statement of fact.

We need to listen to the voices, even when they're frustrated, especially when they're frustrated. Because we, whites, aren't getting the whole message, and we should be.

Most, if not all here have no racial past. There is no such thing as original sin.

"our" meaning you, me and every other American. All of us, the ones with open eyes and the ignorants.

America has a racist past. We share that history. Its where we come from. We spend a lot of time and effort trying to ignore the ugly bits. America spends a lot of time and effort making sure we don't offend white people's feelings. We never really confront this stuff.

We need to confront it, accept it, so we can get over it. And move on as one people and not care about who's black and who's white.

Al Sharpton blew my mind at the 2004 DNC. He reminded me that we haven't gotten over our racial past when he said "We're still waiting for our 40 acres and a mule!" He's right. America has never accepted African Americans as full citizens. Its bullshit in this day and age we still have this problem. Until we acknowledge and work through the problem it will still be the elephant in the room.

That's what I mean when I say "get over our racial past."

Is a big ole TBH...

Straight Privilege. Able Privilege.

It's all real and tends to keep those with privilege from comprehending those without privilege. That seems to be in play on DU today. I'm straight, white and male. I know my privilege and recognized that I have it. When I'm tempted to be annoyed by someone who is complaining about their treatment by society, I try very hard to remember my own privilege and listen. Sometimes I'm more successful at that than other times.

Black lives matter. That doesn't take anything from other people's lives. It simply reflects the fact that, for many people, black lives matter less than their own lives. That's the issue. It's not hard to understand.

I won't be shot if I am stopped by the police. It won't happen. That's not true for some people, who are, indeed, much more likely to be shot if stopped by police. I have privilege. They do not. They should. It is that simple. When anyone is not treated with the same respect as I am for reasons they have nothing to do with, my privilege is the difference.

I should recognize that, and I do. We all should, and we should try to make everyone as privileged as we are. That's progressive. That's how it should be.

I'm not tired of hearing about white privilege. I hope it continues to be a topic on DU.

It's not a "privilege" not to be shot by a cop based on my skin color. It's a fundamental right that everyone is entitled to.

It exists. You have it. Others do not. Recognizing you own privilege is essential in understanding what others face.

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