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SoutherDem

(2,307 posts)
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 04:38 PM Jun 2012

Did I understand this correctly?

On Martin Bashir if I understood correctly. The announcement which President Obama made today was going to be Romney's great compromise to solve the immigration problem? If so will he take credit or denounce it?
I am sure this will be considered political, but fine it was the right thing to do (something Republicans don't understand), but I am sure it will help the President with the latino vote. But, won't it also force the Republicans to run even more to the right alienating them from latinos even more?

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Did I understand this correctly? (Original Post) SoutherDem Jun 2012 OP
bipassing congress in this issue is probably going to hurt Obama TBMASE Jun 2012 #1
I won't disagree that bypassing Congress isn't the ideal thing to do. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #3
bad precedent to set TBMASE Jun 2012 #5
Sure he has the authority demwing Jun 2012 #11
Using that logic, a republican president could simply not enforce IRS rules regarding TBMASE Jun 2012 #16
Whats your point? demwing Jun 2012 #17
I guess the law doesn't matter any more TBMASE Jun 2012 #20
Guess whatever you like, the President acted within his powers /nt demwing Jun 2012 #21
I just remember a time when people were complaining about signing statements TBMASE Jun 2012 #22
I bet you would be agreeing with your hypothetical republican president Kingofalldems Jun 2012 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author TBMASE Jun 2012 #24
The president can't fucking win for losing. He does nothing because Congress blocks Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #18
Where is the "Like" button? GoCubsGo Jun 2012 #26
You are exactly right! Thank you so much! :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #27
Here's a link Tx4obama Jun 2012 #28
lol. Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, just moved from the Mittens has a chance column to the fat chance grantcart Jun 2012 #9
Yep, I know at least Colorado ain't going red. joshcryer Jun 2012 #10
I agree. This will further cement Obama's base before coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #25
Nah, Obama keeps saying we have a "Do Nothing" Congress demwing Jun 2012 #12
Not this congress leftynyc Jun 2012 #30
Repubs seem to be taking offense at how it was done (so far) Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #2
Congress has been grid locked for several decades on this issue. truedelphi Jun 2012 #4
Huh? caraher Jun 2012 #6
+1 Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #7
It's a rather mainstream meme. truedelphi Jun 2012 #8
I disagree graham4anything Jun 2012 #31
One of the big problems though that mere taxation truedelphi Jun 2012 #32
I don't think Romney holds any position that isn't liquid. joshcryer Jun 2012 #13
Is Rmoney for or against it this hour? Give him 5 minutes to change his position. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #14
The actions that candidates are accused of as being political - don't bother me EXCEPT Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2012 #15
Agreed! n/t hrmjustin Jun 2012 #19
Spam deleted by OKNancy (MIR Team) aman_80 Jun 2012 #29

SoutherDem

(2,307 posts)
3. I won't disagree that bypassing Congress isn't the ideal thing to do.
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 04:56 PM
Jun 2012

But, with the congress we have it is the only way to get anything done.

 

TBMASE

(769 posts)
5. bad precedent to set
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 05:23 PM
Jun 2012

1) The president doesn't have the authority to do this.
2) It gives the pukes 5 months to attack him over this issue. He should have waited until October.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
11. Sure he has the authority
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:49 PM
Jun 2012

As Chief Executive, determining how the laws of the US are enforced is one of the primary authorities given to the President.

And by giving "the pukes 5 months to attack him over this issue" Obama defines the debate. This is absolutely an issue Obama would rather be discussing. It not only supports the meme that a "Do Nothing" Congress forced him to this path through severe lack of ability to get the damn job done themselves, but everyday spent arguing whether we should punish and deport immigrant soldiers underscores the negative image of Republicans as extremists on immigration.

 

TBMASE

(769 posts)
16. Using that logic, a republican president could simply not enforce IRS rules regarding
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 12:33 PM
Jun 2012

taxation on the 1%. Simply by deciding not to prosecute anyone who made over 100k and chose not to file or pay taxes.

He gets a tax cut on these people with no say from congress.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
17. Whats your point?
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 12:51 PM
Jun 2012

A President Romney could have done that with or without Obama's stand on immigration.

 

TBMASE

(769 posts)
22. I just remember a time when people were complaining about signing statements
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 07:02 PM
Jun 2012

made by Shrubkins.

I wonder if a future republican president decides that its in his power to not enforce the law with regard to filing income taxes for people who make over 250k because he can't get a tax cut through congress how that will play out

Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #23)

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
18. The president can't fucking win for losing. He does nothing because Congress blocks
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 12:55 PM
Jun 2012

the DREAM Act. Then, you guys complain that the president isn't doing anything on the immigration isuse. He then bipasses Congress to get something done, and you guys complain about that.

I'm so fucking sick of this shit. Really, I am!!

Executive Orders are common and there's nothing illegal or unconstitutional about them. Besides, the Republicans need to shut the fuck up! St. Ronnie Raygun would've supported what Obama did:

http://veracitystew.com/2012/06/15/dear-gop-ronald-reagan-agrees-with-obama-on-immigration-video/

GoCubsGo

(32,088 posts)
26. Where is the "Like" button?
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 08:25 PM
Jun 2012

This is one of those posts that makes me wish that DU had such a thing.

BTW, it wasn't an Executive Order. It was a change in policy. The claims of it being an EO is something the right is whining about, and it's not surprising that they'd spread this dishonest meme.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
9. lol. Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, just moved from the Mittens has a chance column to the fat chance
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:46 PM
Jun 2012

column.

A super energized Hispanic registration and GOTV campaign will have a dramatic impact not only on the Presidential campaign but on Congressional and Senate races as well.

When it comes to pure bare knuckled politics this has win win win all the way around.

There isn't going to be a backlash against it because Americans generally support giving innocent kids a break. I had lunch today with a colleague who is a deep red neck who doesn't think the President has done anything right but doesn't trust Romney. When he heard this he said "finally Obama did something right I have heard about sending those kids back, what are they going to do when they arrive in El Salvador or Mexico when they have lived here their whole life. Just doesn't make sense to send them back".
 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
25. I agree. This will further cement Obama's base before
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 07:36 PM
Jun 2012

the fight for independents begins in earnest. Shit, I read elsewhere that Obama is currently tied with Romney in Missouri. If that is true, Romney's campaign is in deep, deep shit.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
12. Nah, Obama keeps saying we have a "Do Nothing" Congress
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:51 PM
Jun 2012

Now he's established himself as a "Do Something" President.

Perfect response...

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
30. Not this congress
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:21 AM
Jun 2012

which has a 15% approval rating. The people know who is keeping anything from getting done. The only people raving about this are right wing loons who would be happy to have this policy if only it weren't President Obama doing it. And I'm sure the campaign has a very nice ad using the pubs words against them on this issue. Net positive for the President.

As for the future, if there is anything the American public has proved, it's that they have very short memories.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,437 posts)
2. Repubs seem to be taking offense at how it was done (so far)
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 04:47 PM
Jun 2012

Of course, it's not like Congress was doing (or going to do) anything about it either. Of course, they could always hold a vote on the matter if they want to. The GOP blocked DREAM Act back in 2010, which (I believe) would have done the same thing).

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
4. Congress has been grid locked for several decades on this issue.
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 05:21 PM
Jun 2012

Democrats want unlimited immigration on account of the voters it will add to the Party. And the Republicans like the cheap labor.

caraher

(6,279 posts)
6. Huh?
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 05:56 PM
Jun 2012

Where's the evidence for the claim that "Democrats want unlimited immigration?" That claim coupled with the assertion that immigrants would be Democrats sounds like something my crazy RW brother would say (just this morning he was frothing on Facebook about Obama the "dictator" and segued into a rant about opposition to hyper-restrictive voter ID laws)...

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
8. It's a rather mainstream meme.
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:26 PM
Jun 2012

The point is, no one addresses the issue. And the people who suffer the burden that unlimited immigration poses are the dwindling middle incomed.

Very important fact about this issue - way back in 1993, the SF Examiner sent one of their most liberal reporters out to investigate life and attitudes among people in California's Central Valley. He found out that overall, people were against an open border policy, something like 2 out of 3.

That might not be so surprising except for the fact that the people with whom he had this discussion were named Hernandez, Chung, Lum, Ngyuen, Rodriguez, and so on.

In other words, people who have ben immigrants themselves understand that if a nation lets in every single person who wants to come here, we end up becoming exactly like the thrid world places the people have left. One billion people live south of the border. If only 20 percent want to come here, we have to ask ourselves: what do we do with 200 million people?

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
31. I disagree
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 06:11 AM
Jun 2012

once they are citizens, then you tax them

Have all these new citizens (and most of them already work) but now if they work legally, you
get hundreds of millions of new tax dollars which solves all the defecit problems and saves
social security for another 150 years and all the other things.

Plus, i surely want the immigrant who will discover a cure for alzheimer's or some other major disease.

Unless one is a native american indian, we are all immigrants.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
32. One of the big problems though that mere taxation
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 07:44 PM
Jun 2012

Doesn't address - that is, the double standard that exists.

The immigrants have the "right" to hire only their family members, or associates, while Americans of white and black skin color MUST hire the immigrants.

I just lost yet another friend to the "white flight" so common here in California.

She was both a dental hygenist and a dental practice Administrator - familiar with all the paper work that goes into making a successful dental practice.

She has to compete with dental hygienists who speak Chinese or Vietnamese, the more favored language spoken among the dentists in many dental office in the San Francisco area.

She finally left to seek her career prospects back in the Midwest, where there is not such a huge problem about being white and mainly English speaking. (In San Francisco area, not being of color or of immigrant status is actually somewhat of a disability.)

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
13. I don't think Romney holds any position that isn't liquid.
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:53 PM
Jun 2012

It may have been mentioned before by the Romney camp or floated, but that doesn't matter. He never owned it.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
15. The actions that candidates are accused of as being political - don't bother me EXCEPT
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 02:10 PM
Jun 2012

in cases like when Bush and Cheney purposely scared the shit out of people about Al Qaeda to
get reelected in 2004. I lived through this in DC when they leaked Al Queda drawings of
MY subway station one morning and then one hour into work they evacuated out building.
I will never get that year of my life they scared out of me that day. Only to find out on
the news that evening that the drawings were three years old. (still serious of course, but
the Bush/Cheney WH wanted us all to believe that there were bombs there that day.

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