And tell you why you are wrong, and what you need to do to be right ...

You better listen ...

crack yo u open a cold one and then ask why you hadn't been at the most recent precinct meeting. by the time you left I bet you be full tipsy and would have agreed to go out and canvass for your candidate.

I'm betting that's how mm would have handled you.

This is not about Hillary Clinton, my cheesy sandwich fellow DUer. Not in any way. She didn't go to NRN15. She had another event to attend and didn't see the benefit to her campaign. Nobody at Netroots likes her, and she knows it. She would get a poor reception there, so why bother to attend.

You're trying to divert from my point, which has nothing to do with Clinton. Please don't do that. It's not effective, and I will call you on it every time. You don't get to hijack my thread. Sorry.

Bernie has significant room for improvement on criminal justice issues.

But it's also true it's risky to show up and face a public crowd.

Hillary doesn't need to take risks because she has a big lead.

All her events are pre-designed to the max. Even questions that seem to be spontaneous from the audience have been written and planted by the campaign before.

...and as such, did not show up.

"But, then, I'm a Democrat, not a libertarian or an anarchist/syndicalist or some other anti-government activist." Are you accusing people who do not share your views with the libertarian and more label like many have on this board ad nauseam?

What do you think my views are, exactly?

a lot of people think Saunders has addressed these issues for better than 50 years.. and that he handled the lack of moderation of a host who was glued to his cell phone while activists had their say event in an adequate manner. Many on the board do not think he handled it well at all considering what is happening all over this country in Black communities . This has been an ongoing topic for the better part of a week. Both sides have very valid points. I don't think name calling(and don't be coy) is useful.

Wonder no more. I answered the person you're replying to. I'd ask you the same question. You appear to be relatively new here. You clearly do not know me very well.

Are you enjoying it here at DU?

You don't think Bernie knew HRC got a poor reception at NRN and that it was risky for him to go?

He had the courage

He handled it with patient grace. He will be a good leader and those disrupting and shouting unintelligibly at him may even learn something from him.

They're wolves in sheep's clothing, trying to disrupt, pretending to be one thing with one group and the exact opposite with another group, sometimes for years at a time. Those people are liars, and they should never be trusted. We don't often agree, but I do agree with you on this one.

Totally agree.

If he decides not to do that, meh, I still support him.

I know he is in total agreement with the BLM folks, even if he doesn't feel the need to boast about it at every opportunity. Perhaos he needs to be more of a politician. like the guy in Bob Dylan's "I Shall Be Free":

The man on the stand he wants my vote
He's runnin for office on the ballot note
He's up there preachin in front of the steeple
Tellin me he loves all kinds of people
He's eatin bagels
He's eatin pizza
He's eatin chitlins

That's the plain truth. Winning a presidential election is damned difficult. Even winning a party's nomination is a tough thing. This country, and its political parties are really, really diverse. If your appeal is too narrow, you lose. That's guaranteed. We've seen a few landslide elections for President. Each of them occurred because one candidate appealed to too narrow a group of voters. I've voted in more than one of those. In the first, Goldwater lost, thank goodness. In the other two, my candidate lost. I knew it would happen, but I voted for the Democrat anyhow. I don't want to do that in this election. I'm too freaking old to lose in a landslide this year. It could easily be my last chance to vote.

I finished high school listening to Dylan in his earliest years. Like me, he's now an old man. Soon, we'll both be gone. More's the pity.

important constituency. Things are not binary. Candidates have to address multiple groups and their concerns. Simple Politics 101. How hard can that be to grasp?

That's odd. This is a serious thread. But far be it from me to disturb your laughter.

after a roll like that. More's the pity.

It is not true that Bernie "missed the importance of real issues of black people dying at the hands of white police and other issues." He addressed the issue of black people dying at the hands of white police at the event.

Also, in an earlier post you said (referring to all three candidates): "they mean well, and mean for that phrase (all lives matter) to be inclusive, no doubt, but its a firebrand phrase for those to whom it matters most."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251458618

Correct me if the mistake is mine and not yours, but I don't think Sanders has said "all lives matter" in response to "black lives matter." That was Clinton and O'Malley. So I think you were in error once again in ways that could damage the reputation of your favored candidate. (I agree, by the way, that saying that all lives matter in response to black lives matter, as Clinton and O'Malley recently did, is offensive and remarkably clueless.)

With supporters like you, who needs enemies?

People who are spoke clearly about their anger at those who ignore the immediate and real problem. Both O'Malley and Sanders were taken by surprise. Why? Because they are not aware. Hillary Clinton was not there, and has done the same thing. There is no Democratic candidate who is blameless in this.

They need to get their shit together. All of them.

As for enemies, the real enemies of Bernie Sanders are those who are further angering black voters. Please go bother someone else, if you don't mind. Bernie punted on this one. He'll correct that error, I'm sure. I still support his candidacy, knowing that he'll fix his error.

The first one is clearly false. The other is false so far as I know, and you have refused to show me otherwise.

Quite the wordsmith.
Keep preaching.

Read it again, but more carefully.

"That's a big mistake all three leading Democratic candidates are making with statements like "all lives matter.""

All 3 candidates did not make this statement.

can others screw up too?

this.

You want Bernie to learn and face his mistakes but you don't want to take your own advice

was "taken by surprise" and "not aware" of HRC"s earlier NRN heckling?

This implies that Bernie and his staff are incompetent and didn't realize the risks involved

How naive when your candidate had the courage to go.

I want him do do better than he did.

You seem confused about what I have said and where. Never mind.

a too narrow of a principle to win on or will it enhance victory?

It is a bump but will not upset the trajectory of his campaign, which is growing stronger every day even without MSM coverage.

He has convinced himself that POC will fall in line once they hear his message. The problem is many have pretty much written him off before even listening. Its going to take more than a speech and some references to marching with MLK 50 years ago to get their attention.

Not sure what was refuted.

He, when asked, said black people were dying because of an out of control criminal justice system. NOT ONCE did he get upset or lose his cool.

Did you notice he never once looked at notes?

Anyone floating the bullshit that he somehow fucked up is either willfully ignorant or flat out lying, or simply desperate that their candidate is looking like The Shadow.

For good

They have voted reliably for Democrats since Johnson passed the equal rights act of 1964 and began moving to the Democratic party in a big way under FDR.

And they aren't going to vote for Republicans.

But their issues are life and death, and if our candidates do not address those issues, and make them an important part of the campaign, we will loose.

And I think with how Bernie moves forward will be a great example of just why I support him. I do not have to think he's perfect or above criticism to believe he will be a good President. It's exactly how I feel about President Obama, a man I have supported and still criticized when it's the right thing to do.