2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie addresses Sandra Bland's arrest:
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/07/22/sanders-calls-violent-arrest-sandra-bland-totally-outrageous-police-behavior<snip>
"This video of the arrest of Sandra Bland shows totally outrageous police behavior," Sanders stated on Wednesday. "No one should be yanked from her car, thrown to the ground, assaulted and arrested for a minor traffic stop. The result is that three days later she is dead in her jail cell. This video highlights once again why we need real police reform. People should not die for a minor traffic infraction. This type of police abuse has become an all-too-common occurrence for people of color and it must stop."
Just to be clear #SandraBland's mama said: "Once I put this baby in the ground, I'm ready ... this means war."
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/At-memorial-for-Sandra-Bland-mother-said-6398340.php
Dante Boykin ?@DanteB4u
*BREAKING* - Dashcam Video of #SandraBland traffic stop #SayHerName #BlackLivesMatter @deray @shaunking @BeautyBind
Kerry Eleveld ?@kerryeleveld 28m28 minutes ago
14: The number of times Sandra Bland asked why she was being arrested without an answer. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/22/1404488/-14-The-number-of-times-Sandra-Bland-asked-why-she-was-being-arrested-without-an-answer via @shaunking
deray mckesson ?@deray
I watched the dashcam video and realized that I may have said and done exactly what she did, many of us would have.We are #SandraBland.
Keegan Stephan ?@KeeganNYC
Seems unlikely that a woman who told a cop she'd take him to court for false arrest committed suicide in jail three days later. #SandraBland
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)And it doesn't seem to have any loop. I could be wrong but it looks untouched other than the removal of the several minutes while the officer is in his vehicle.
That alone speaks volumes to me. What was discussed? What did they Google and find during those several minutes?
I also want to know why he first approaches from the passenger side.
This stinks from the moment it starts
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026998849
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)We all need to understand that this hasn't "become an all-too-common occurrence for people of color." Cameras are simply catching these actions that have been going on for the last century. It hasn't become an all-too-common occurrence. The sick fucks just can't seem to get away from camera's these days. AA's aren't under a new attack. It is a continuation of police history that isn't even close to new.
Still, very positive words from Sanders.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)made it less common place, and it doesn't take a great stretch of logic to think that situations like this have probably been MUCH worse.
Really, of the 2 people in the video.. only one of them really knew they were being video recorded, and it was STILL the jackass breaking the laws he is supposed to be sworn to uphold.
This man should be charged with murder. Even if it was a suicide it was HIS highly inappropriate actions and abuse of power that led to her death.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)He may claim he did it for some other reason -- like to get her out of the line of traffic, but the only reason he did that was to get her out of the eye of the camera so that he could "ruffle her up," in other words beat her up.
He talks about why he did that at the end of the video. It's as if that monologue or discussion at the end of the video was supposed to be a statement as to why he arrested her, etc. It was a total lie, and he was an idiot to make that statement and intentionally to take someone he had taken out of her car out of the sight of the camera and then beat her up.
The police officer is in the wrong, was in the wrong, and he knew it. That's why he took her away from the sight of the camera. That in and of itself needs to be made illegal.
And this proves how much we need the cameras on all police actions.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)CIVILIAN review boards, to examine this sort of thing.
They have proven that they can manipulate the cameras. Cameras also break. Civilian review boards are a bit better.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)Body cams, yes, but as you said, cameras break. We need civilian review boards
jwirr
(39,215 posts)in the cell area - which there is supposed to be) then I hope that her dear mother sues the hell out of them.
Yes, I know that taxpayers pay the cost but they are also the ones who hire this filth.
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)This is not new police behavior. It's just getting exposed to a broader section of the country now.
moobu2
(4,822 posts)I'm glad he finally responded but he should have gotten on it much earlier.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 22, 2015, 02:36 PM - Edit history (1)
Apparently.
edit: spelling
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)But this is just a new focus and some adjustments to update for modern times.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Even as the core message remains as concrete as it was fifty years ago.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Even with an infinite amount of resources there is always an infinite amount of time plus one.
You can not even break even, even if you skip lunch.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)JI7
(89,262 posts)This is a response to the video which just came out yesterday.
Why be an ass about it. The others have come out with comment at the same time also.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)MMTampa
(82 posts)The video has been edited. The white car suddenly appears and then disappears. People walk by and then reappear back where they started. It appears to be looped in several places. Watch it carefully...not even a good editing job. I'm thinking it's the early evidence of more video tampering. I wouldn't trust that the jailhouse video is intact.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)came out on MONDAY.
I assume that the "should have gotten on it much earlier" also applies.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)"This video of the arrest of Sandra Bland shows totally outrageous police behavior," Sanders said in a statement released late on Tuesday night.
O'Malley, in a statement issued on Wednesday, called for a full investigation into Bland's death.
My heart breaks at seeing another young African American life lost too soon," Clinton said in a statement on Wednesday.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/22/politics/sandra-bland-hillary-clinton-democrats-2016/index.html
So please share why you only criticized Sanders when he was the FIRST of the 3 major Dem. candidates to respond.
I suggest that the important thing is that all three responded. Don't spin this tragedy for your own political purposes.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)And he wasn't even running then.
People just didn't have the name awareness to realize that he has been working on this issue all along and has been aware of it for his entire political career.
It is very understandable that Black people don't realize where he stands on race issues. The press has ignored his many, many actions in this area. He wasn't a star. He sure is now and this will be one of his primary issues I'm sure. It always has been.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)ms liberty
(8,594 posts)If you've been following Bernie as I have - a time that spans more than a decade, you know Bernie's been vocal on these issues, and has worked on them in the House and Senate for all these years. He just wasn't high profile until he started running for President.
senz
(11,945 posts)He cares about these things. Always has.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Police reform, prison reform. As a independent socialist he can help carry this conversation further than Republicans and Democrats alone. He could be a really strong voice in this new civil rights movement, if he can step up and find his voice.
I think what happened at netroots + #bernieSoBlack, really shook him up and he started being able to see things from this other angle.
The protests we a big success in my book because the conversation is moving and Bernie and others will start taking up this message.
The people that did that protest did what they had to. I highly suggest for all Sanders supporters to respect and assist the grass roots civil rights movements.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)I'm glad to hear him come out for police reform. Because Sanders comes out with authenticity. He comes out swinging.
One of the reasons I am so glad that Mrs. Clinton has fully embraced LGBT rights is that "new converts" can be very outspoken about their newfound beliefs. I am thrilled that Mr. Sanders now believes in explicitly calling for reforms that matter especially to People of Colour.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)He is finding a new way to talk about it, but on the actual issues he has been there all along.
Bernie spoke against abusive policing and mass incarceration back when liberals and Democrats were falling all over each other see who could throw the most black people in jail. That includes the Bill and Hillary Clinton, Martin O'Malley, and most of the others.
As can be seen in this speech from 1991:
This is the voice he is finding again.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)And for what it is worth, I couldn't agree more.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)This is a speech that deserves to be posted as its own thread. It is of major importance. The only reason that people don't know Bernie's history on civil rights is that the press ignored him.
It's time to give his civil rights record its due not just on DU but in the press.
It is a matter of civic importance that Blacks and other People of Color know who their real friends are.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Actually I've seen it here before.
Bernie does have a good record on this issue.
I also want to make sure to be sensitive and not accidentally seem condescending or patronizing toward anyone, like saying hey listen up black people I'm here to school you on Bernie Sanders.
Some of my friends are falling into that and they don't realize how annoying that is.
historylovr
(1,557 posts)So many assume who this man is that they haven't actually checked him out.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)And the reporter stated rather amazed at the fact himself, that Bernie was among the first to protest in writing against the Ferguson killing.
That was well before he announced his candidacy. The only reason that Bernie doesn't have a strong reputation in the Black community as an activist for African-American civil rights is that he was not a big name political star until recently and therefore his actions and protests did not make the news.
That is changing. And when people get the facts about Bernie's stands on civil rights, they will be amazed at the fact that this man, from a mostly white state, took the political risk of standing tall for the rights of African-Americans.
Blacks don't expect to find what they will find when they start looking at Bernie's record. A lot of minds are going to change about him.
This illustrates just how media focuses our attention and how skewed our opinions are by the control of the media on what stories are reported and what stories are not reported. Skews our view of reality.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I think the whole #bernieSoBlack incident could end up being a blessing in disguise. If Bernie takes up the issues correctly this cold be the start of a new relationship with the civil rights movement and with black voters.
Another important thing will be for Bernie's enthusiastic supporters to be mindful of our tone and not be condescending. Some of my friends have gotten a little preachy toward black people in the past couple days. I know they're not doing it on purpose though. They mean well.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They are grass roots so is he, he should join them and it will put everyone on notice.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)In my opinion the Sanders campaign should be a vehicle for the people's movements to take power.
He keeps saying it's not about him, it's about the people, the political revolution. OK so here's a chance to make that happen.
In my opinion we do need a revolutionary change of sorts to force the system to stop killing black people. And for other emergencies we face, like the environmental emergency too, where Bernie already has connections. Now is a chance to build connections with modern civil rights activists.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Emergency Politics, disruptions, road blocking, interrupting public events, that sort of thing I have to say what happened at Netroots was really a great outcome in the universe of outcomes from disruptive activism. Both O'Malley and Sanders handled it far, far better than I have seen it handled by others. And it's very valid to go to politicians who are prone to support you and bark at them a bit in an emergency because they are on your side. You do not spare them because they are on your side, you alert them to the emergency first. Republicans will be no help, they are in fact the opponent. You aggressively engage your friends, you flat out protest Republicans, institutions such as police unions, courthouses.
Every single criticism I have see of Black Lives Matter's choice of actions are familiar to me because the same ones were said about ACT UP, every last bloody one of them Emergency politics is supposed to piss people off. 'Why do they block the roads' 'this could cost us the next election' 'why are they heckling their allies, the Democrats are on their side'.
It's an emergency, people. The rules do not apply. Silence = Death.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts).
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)No fucking way. She never should have been in that jail in the first place.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)One cop's petty ego caused this whole thing. Horrible.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)He seems to have complete faith that his fellow officers will back him up. There is a second video of some of the moments that were not on this official video. I wonder when and if ever we will see that second video. Remember she thanks someone for videoing the events.
Police departments are like fraternities, I think. All for one and one for all and everybody else be damned.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I know that doesn't come as a surprise to anyone here, but those words need to be typed on tens of thousands of keyboards and sent all over the internet. This was another execution by the police.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/22/1404615/-A-black-woman-s-negative-encounter-with-a-Sanders-supporter-after-NN15-BlackLivesMatter-protest
#BernieSoBlack: Why progressives are fighting about Bernie Sanders and race
http://www.vox.com/2015/7/20/9001639/bernie-sanders-black-lives-matter
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I believe those have been shared before onsite, we've been talking about the NN15 protests since it happened.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)Can yo point me to those areas where I can post these articles too?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)under specific folders related to the content. Things that have just happened in the last 12 hours, for instance, go under 'Latest Breaking News', things about Republican primaries or a variety of generic things go under 'General Discussion', things about Democratic Primaries under 'General Discussion : Primaries', and so on. I think most folks have just been posting NN15 protest and Sandra Bland related things in General Discussion, although they'd probably fit well in several categories, and Sandra Bland related ones could go under 'Justice & Public Safety' forums as well. Each of the forums or groups will have a statement of purpose at the top to let you know what the group is for.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)silenttigersong
(957 posts)I was aghast at the officers behavior.It seemed to me his violance was deesculating while he was deciding what to charge Sandra with,justifying his actions,making sure his statement was recorded (claiming she assaulted him).He obviously incited her and put her in fear .
SANDRA BLAND.
senz
(11,945 posts)Senator Sanders cares about people, particularly those who are being oppressed by the system. He always has.
Also, a heads up --
Jared Bernstein, a senior fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, has written an Op-Ed for the NYTimes that is favorable to Bernies proposal for a financial transaction tax. So far, the reader comments also seem to favor his proposal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/22/opinion/the-case-for-a-tax-on-financial-transactions.html
ms liberty
(8,594 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)does anyone think that because of the BLM protests had NOTHING to do with this?
senz
(11,945 posts)And yes, that's pretty unusual for a politician.
progressoid
(49,998 posts)The day before Netroots Nation he tweeted:
Bernie Sanders ?@BernieSanders Jul 17
1 out of 4 male African-Americans born today will end up behind bars. That is not the America we believe in. #IDPHOF
He's been on this for 50 years.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)So he has solutions to these problems then, not just saying "Racism Bad", and just regurgitating facts? Cause I want to know why someone gets my vote, and not people telling me that they are entitled to it.
ms liberty
(8,594 posts)You'll find video clips, Facebook posts, and numerous news articles with his direct quotes, if you're interested in looking. He's been on the correct side of history for a very long time, he just wasn't high profile before he decided to run for POTUS. I say correct side, because it seems so wrong to say the "right" side, lol!
progressoid
(49,998 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)ancianita
(36,132 posts)about this as president. Presidents historically don't fight the thin blue line at state levels, so he's going to have to say something about withdrawing federal funds and resources, etc., or something about automatic Attorney General investigations of civil rights offenses.
In other words, "addressing isn't enough." Campaign outrage doesn't translate to policy and action. I'm aware that saying what he'll actually do might lose some demographic's votes and gain others', so there's that consequence. Still, "showing up is better than doing nothing," I guess.
When Bernie says what he'll do about THIS /\/\/\/\/, he'll be even more in step with the "feeling the Bern" motto:
senz
(11,945 posts)Check it out:
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/nyt-learning-from-the-ferguson-tragedy
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/citing-crisis-in-ferguson-sanders-to-propose-youth-jobs-bill
All of the above are from August 2014.
ancianita
(36,132 posts)don't necessarily translate into actions that give hope and change. My skepticism is born of exposure across presidential administrations since Eisenhower.
We all know that police brutality has gone on since the 60's and that media frames each report without historical context, only as anomaly, promoting public faith in all manner of policing. We know that ignoring "due force" laws is more the rule than the exception. Unless the civilian is white. The Thin Blue Line productions of TV and film reflect these realities. So far, not much has been done by Washington about 50 states' policing problems.
Bernie has suggested what should be done, I've learned, so that's something, I guess.
historylovr
(1,557 posts)He'd like to implement community policing nationwide, with police as public servants
He would like to end the militarization of police
And he said that most importantly, police must be held accountable
I've seen and heard that he's said that other times since then, but exactly when and where, I couldn't tell you right off hand. Something might come up in a web search though.
And, you know, call me crazy, but maybe we could put more pressure on AG Loretta Lynch and President Obama to do something NOW. Might be a good start.
ancianita
(36,132 posts)public pressure.
historylovr
(1,557 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Are the reported deaths represented by the actual areas they took place or is it cumulative for each state (meaning not representative of the area the death took place)? I'm just curious looking at my own state.
ancianita
(36,132 posts)during growth shots. I think the digital map makers can best explain. I really don't know for sure.
Which is your state?
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)No one should be treated like that, enough is enough.
What if that was your daughter?
marble falls
(57,181 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)It's about training training training. Everything from how to approach situations in non-aggressive and a tone that is civil.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)be on the force to begin with and training needs vast improvement. There also needs to ne citizen review committees.