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gobears10

(310 posts)
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:50 AM Jul 2015

Barney Frank: Why Progressives Shouldn't Support Sanders

"That way, she can focus on what we know will be a tough job: combating the flood of post-Citizens United right-wing money"

LOLOLOLOL

Full article: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/why-progressives-shouldnt-support-bernie-120484.html

This is hilarious. Anyway, I'm not a big fan of Barney Frank. He opposes reinstating Glass-Steagall, and thinks Senator Elizabeth Warren is wrong on the issue. He's been a vocal critic of Bernie Sanders' run for POTUS. He's a corporate sellout, who after authoring landmark Wall Street reform, joined the corporate board of Signature Bank.

I've heard a lot of people were angry at him when he (supported? Proposed?) ENDA minus gender identity protections. Meaning, as in throwing trans people under the bus.

Anyway what are your thoughts on this? Any rebuttals?

Also Barney said this about Bernie:

The day before #BlackLivesMatter protesters commandeered Netroots Nation, former Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) explained why the left’s 2016 candidates were not appealing to non-white voters. Frank, who considers any challenge to Hillary Clinton to be a divisive waste of money, asked liberals to consider why the supporters of Bernie Sanders seemed to be so white and comfortable.

“To some extent, and with respect to my white liberal friends in the white liberal base, these are people for whom politics is a deeply-held ideological passion,” he said. “The groups of people who have the most at stake – African Americans, Hispanics, LGBT – are much for serious for Hillary. They have got to be serious. White liberals get a psychic income for supporting Bernie Sanders, but they won’t suffer much if a Republican becomes president.”


Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/07/21/do-white-liberals-have-a-bernie-sanders-problem/
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Barney Frank: Why Progressives Shouldn't Support Sanders (Original Post) gobears10 Jul 2015 OP
can you personally substantiate any of these claims about Barney ? olddots Jul 2015 #1
Barney was one of the yes votes in 1999 for repealing Glass-Steagall PatrickforO Jul 2015 #4
of course.. gobears10 Jul 2015 #6
In fairness, Warren also says Glass-Steagall wouldn't prevent a repeat of the 2008 financial crisis Recursion Jul 2015 #90
yeah, don't support bernie. don't even try to change things. I have mine. Fuck you. NO, barney roguevalley Jul 2015 #49
"I have mine. Fuck you." malokvale77 Jul 2015 #74
Barney is of, and for, The Elite HFRN Jul 2015 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author malokvale77 Jul 2015 #78
I think he is right one point discocrisco01 Jul 2015 #2
As a Latina, I will give you how I heard of Bernie artislife Jul 2015 #45
I'm happy to hear this. Thank you. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #82
It is always the money. TM99 Jul 2015 #3
75 year old Barney Frank, retired after 32 years in the House is a New Democrat? FSogol Jul 2015 #24
It is attitude, beliefs, and actions, not AGE-related. n/t djean111 Jul 2015 #26
Seems that way. TM99 Jul 2015 #34
Barney Frank has always been popular on DU. murielm99 Jul 2015 #5
What? We can't disagree with someone...... daleanime Jul 2015 #7
Not that I have noticed. murielm99 Jul 2015 #8
Many years ago...Rove taught the Republicans to riversedge Jul 2015 #36
the comments on the above posts are not just simple disagreements Sheepshank Jul 2015 #44
Frank s lobbying against the two most progressive voices in the party, Sanders and Warren. CentralMass Jul 2015 #10
.... and I side with you. nt ladjf Jul 2015 #37
'I guess we are throwing him under the bus now', no, we're not letting HIM throw US under the bus HFRN Jul 2015 #77
Dodd-Frank, plus Volcker Rule, pretty much does same thing as GS. Hoyt Jul 2015 #9
"Barney Frank joins Signature Bank board" Romulox Jul 2015 #11
Guess he's cashing in on the gravy train. Too bad, so sad. I support Sanders & Warren peacebird Jul 2015 #27
Turncoat. End of story. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #85
I worked for Barney Frank years ago olddots Jul 2015 #12
I'm so sorry. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #91
white liberals lecturing other white liberals on race ibegurpard Jul 2015 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2015 #14
Common Dreams: "The Unfulfilled Promise of Dodd/Frank" 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #15
^^^this RiverLover Jul 2015 #19
Dodd was out running for president, while the banking system fell apart on his watch HFRN Jul 2015 #59
Frank's assessment of white liberals is correct, particularly with regard to white male liberals. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #16
+1000. nt sufrommich Jul 2015 #21
+1000 Metric System Jul 2015 #23
This LGBT ibegurpard Jul 2015 #25
^^^this. artislife Jul 2015 #47
yes, Barney is spot on about this issue. riversedge Jul 2015 #35
Ouch. I agree but that is a tough way of putting it. K&R nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #38
Here, here! moobu2 Jul 2015 #41
sounds like my support of Sanders makes me racist, misogynist and homophobic HFRN Jul 2015 #56
Neither I nor Frank said supporting Sanders makes you racist, homophobic or a misogynist. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #60
you're talking about me sport ibegurpard Jul 2015 #61
You're entitled to your opinion. As is everyone else, sport. nt SunSeeker Jul 2015 #63
nope. ibegurpard Jul 2015 #64
oh spare me the melodrama. m-lekktor Jul 2015 #70
'Not everything is about you.' now THERE's a great campaign slogan! HFRN Jul 2015 #71
oh, ok, you didn't say it makes me racist, homophobic or a misogynist. HFRN Jul 2015 #73
Nope ... Didn't see that, either. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #88
Well, they must have money in the bank and investments, or CentralMass Jul 2015 #57
Your post evinces the sort of tone deaf, condescending attitude that BLM was talking about. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #62
are you a person of color? ibegurpard Jul 2015 #65
Thats ok. I don't care for BLM's abush style tctics, oartîculary on a guy like Sanders. in fact CentralMass Jul 2015 #83
Good grief. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #86
Mr. Frank is entitled to his opinion Sherman A1 Jul 2015 #17
The rest of the article concreteblue Jul 2015 #18
One of my ideas is to start sending American police overseas to take training in countries where Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #30
One of mine.... concreteblue Jul 2015 #43
Barney is an outspoken and interesting gay guy that is and has been part of the problem TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #20
Sellouts, trying to sell us out. 99Forever Jul 2015 #22
Bernie's real problem with minorities is not Bernie. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #28
Yup nt artislife Jul 2015 #48
Really. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #80
"Bernie's working on responding in a constructive way" SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #84
I like Barney Frank Gothmog Jul 2015 #29
I'm a big fan of Barnie Frank. Nitram Jul 2015 #31
makes him the enemy BlueStateLib Jul 2015 #53
This will be riversedge Jul 2015 #54
Lockstep? Like not thinking Bernie is the best thing since sliced bread? Nitram Jul 2015 #92
... another surrogate attack dog, just like Anthony Weiner ... Myrina Jul 2015 #32
It is interesting how anyone who supports Hillary murielm99 Jul 2015 #39
^^^THIS^^^ MoonRiver Jul 2015 #40
If it snarls and barks like an attack dog... 99Forever Jul 2015 #42
I wonder why Anthony Weiner supports HRC HFRN Jul 2015 #58
Can't say I agree with him. Autumn Jul 2015 #33
I love Barney Frank. But he's just wrong here. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #46
Yet another statement of the Sanders-is-unelectable argument for voting for Clinton. Vattel Jul 2015 #50
Yes, Barney. Maedhros Jul 2015 #51
A Citizens United beneficiary is going to put a stop to it? arcane1 Jul 2015 #52
I disagree with Barney. Looks like he is going "Third Way." immoderate Jul 2015 #55
Has always been such. One of my favorite Turd Wayers because he unlike most of them wasn't afraid to TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #66
As Bernie himself says: NHDEMFORLIFE Jul 2015 #67
Ask yourself why azmom Jul 2015 #68
I HATE Democrats like Barney Frank alarimer Jul 2015 #69
clinton or bush, you've already seen the movie HFRN Jul 2015 #72
I've been avoiding touching on the same points he makes postatomic Jul 2015 #75
"but they won’t suffer much if a Republican becomes president.” SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #79
I recently heard SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #81
The article makes me like Bernie azmom Jul 2015 #87
"This is not just an election. It is a political revolution." SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #89

gobears10

(310 posts)
6. of course..
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:12 AM
Jul 2015
Former Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) says Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) is wrong for seeking to reinstate the Glass-Steagall Act, a Great Depression-era law that divided commercial and investment banking, as a means to break up the biggest banks.

Frank co-authored the 2010 Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform law and now sits on the board of directors at Signature Bank. He said that Warren's bid to bring back Glass-Steagall isn't the right prescription to prevent a repeat of the 2008 financial crisis.


Source: http://thehill.com/policy/finance/248674-barney-frank-warren-wrong-on-glass-steagall

Barney Frank, a key architect of financial-crisis era legislation that reshaped the financial industry, is joining a bank board.

Retired House Democrat Mr. Frank, one of the namesakes of the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial-reform law, was appointed to the board of directors of New York-based Signature Bank SBNY +2.55% on Wednesday.


Source: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2015/06/17/barney-frank-yes-that-barney-frank-joins-a-bank-board/

Former congressman Barney Frank is sticking by the decision to exclude transgender workers from protection under ENDA in 2007


Source: http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2014/10/01/op-ed-what-barney-frank-still-gets-wrong-enda

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
90. In fairness, Warren also says Glass-Steagall wouldn't prevent a repeat of the 2008 financial crisis
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:21 PM
Jul 2015

There are good things about Glass-Steagall, but its repeal wasn't related to what happened in 2008 (and, for that matter, its repeal is what made the bailout possible).

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
49. yeah, don't support bernie. don't even try to change things. I have mine. Fuck you. NO, barney
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 04:46 PM
Jul 2015

I will support him. I'm on a fixed income, I am old and I don't want to die in a fascist country. I bought a t-shirt, a bumpersticker and gave him $5. I hope to give more. Go away, Barney if this is your message.

He must be looking in a mirror. Fucker.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
74. "I have mine. Fuck you."
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:08 PM
Jul 2015

Sounds way to much like the creeps running Texas.

I don't think Barney has a clue about Bernie supporters.

Screw Barney and his self righteous ass.

Response to roguevalley (Reply #49)

discocrisco01

(1,666 posts)
2. I think he is right one point
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:01 AM
Jul 2015

1. That is the flood of Citizens United money that flood the airwaves
2. Non-whites have real hard time relating to Bernie. But I think that is because Bernie comes from Vermont where the minority population is small. Lets say that Bernie Sanders was Elliot Spitzer from New York which has a very diverse ethnic base. Than he would have much better shot.

Bernie speaks in generalities about social justice. Minorities are not really interested into "global" solutions for social justice; they are most interested on the candidate going to remove the specific barriers fir communities of color.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
45. As a Latina, I will give you how I heard of Bernie
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:54 PM
Jul 2015

Since we lost Air America, I haven't heard much of Bernie in the media until this year. That is due to media and the fact I was more worried about the majority of congress destroying the environment, women's rights and all the other crap they have been doing.

I saw more and more of Elizabeth Warren and her remarks against the Banks. Bernie's name was always linked to her as support. I was hoping she would enter. I read lots of posts who said she would be great, but it would be even better if Bernie joined. I started to see more and more of his quotes. Then he declared.

I live in progressive area--Seattle. It is pretty white and I take it as the norm. But I focus on the PoC in the Seattle area and work hard for him here.

(But I plan to join the Black Lives Matters movement here, too. It cannot be only Blacks who care about it. We all must.)

So Bernie can make great inroads with minorites, we care about the very issues he cares about. We just have a different number one issue.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
82. I'm happy to hear this. Thank you.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:47 PM
Jul 2015

I really think the PTB are out to silence or marginalize Bernie. Because they are scared. They should be.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
3. It is always the money.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:01 AM
Jul 2015

He opposes Glass-Steagall. Money.

He thinks Warren is wrong. Money

On the board of Signature Bank. Money.

Combat post CU right wing money with left wing money.

Always the fucking money with the New Dems. Oh, and maybe he will support ENDA but not fully or completely. And there is that lovely pseudo-social liberalism.

Fuck him.

murielm99

(30,763 posts)
5. Barney Frank has always been popular on DU.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:06 AM
Jul 2015

I guess we are throwing him under the bus now.

All the best people are under the bus these days.

riversedge

(70,303 posts)
36. Many years ago...Rove taught the Republicans to
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:39 AM
Jul 2015

Kill the messenger. The message or what Barney is saying is not being discussed at this point. So much of this happens in this forum

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
44. the comments on the above posts are not just simple disagreements
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:41 PM
Jul 2015

....Frank is suddenly ripe for rotten tomatoe throwing.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
10. Frank s lobbying against the two most progressive voices in the party, Sanders and Warren.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:34 AM
Jul 2015

Who cares what another lobbyist thinks ? Who is he working for and what is his agenda ?
I'll side with Sanders and Warren.

 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
77. 'I guess we are throwing him under the bus now', no, we're not letting HIM throw US under the bus
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:14 PM
Jul 2015

it is always about the people, not the politicians

sure, good politicians should be treated with appreciation and respect, and a reasonable amount of disagreement shoudl be allowed, as well as some forgiveness

but if they're in with the elite, I'm not going to let THEM throw ME under the bus

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. Dodd-Frank, plus Volcker Rule, pretty much does same thing as GS.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:29 AM
Jul 2015

We need more folks like him sitting on boards.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
11. "Barney Frank joins Signature Bank board"
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:41 AM
Jul 2015
June 17, 2015 Updated 06/17/2015

Barney Frank joins Signature Bank board

It's the first time the co-author of the landmark Dodd-Frank reform law has joined a bank since leaving Congress two years ago.

Signature Bank, one of the city's fastest-growing financial institutions, said that former Congressman Barney Frank would join its board.

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20150617/BLOGS02/150619877/barney-frank-joins-signature-bank-board

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
85. Turncoat. End of story.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:55 PM
Jul 2015

Unless he needs this to have enough money for food and shelter, end of story. I stand corrected if this is a mom-and-pop. Yeah, right....

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
12. I worked for Barney Frank years ago
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:45 AM
Jul 2015

this shocks me that he has become someone so different from what he was then .Thanks for the info it has hurt me deeply .

Response to gobears10 (Original post)

 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
59. Dodd was out running for president, while the banking system fell apart on his watch
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:21 PM
Jul 2015

chair on the banking committee, was just a line on the resume, not a sworn duty to him

total loser whos incompetence cost the taxpayer a fortune, and ended up lining scumbag banker's pockets

SunSeeker

(51,698 posts)
16. Frank's assessment of white liberals is correct, particularly with regard to white male liberals.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:43 AM
Jul 2015
“The groups of people who have the most at stake – African Americans, Hispanics, LGBT – are much more serious for Hillary. They have got to be serious. White liberals get a psychic income for supporting Bernie Sanders, but they won’t suffer much if a Republican becomes president.”


Most women, on the other had, particularly those still ovulating, know a Republican President could appoint the Supreme Court Justice the Religious Right needs to outlaw abortion, imposing forced birth on women. People of color know their lives would be in even more danger, hate crimes would go unprosecuted and their ability to vote curtailed even further. LGBT know a Republican administration would roll back gains.

Indulging petulant political fantasies and throwing away their vote is a luxury most women, people of color and LGBT know they cannot afford.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
25. This LGBT
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:26 AM
Jul 2015

Thinks Hillary Clinton is a fundamentally flawed candidate who puts us in as much danger of what you describe as taking a chance on someone not as well known but better on issues. Barney Frank is entitled to his opinion but if I listened to him just because he's gay I would also have to listen to the opinions of Log Cabin Republicans...who I categorically reject.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
47. ^^^this.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:58 PM
Jul 2015

We have to listen to what is said each and every time...lots of things are revealed in the wee hours..

 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
56. sounds like my support of Sanders makes me racist, misogynist and homophobic
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:07 PM
Jul 2015

but could you please tell me in what order?

'Indulging petulant political fantasies and throwing away their vote is a luxury most women, people of color and LGBT know they cannot afford. '

i just like to know in what measure, I am petulant

SunSeeker

(51,698 posts)
60. Neither I nor Frank said supporting Sanders makes you racist, homophobic or a misogynist.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:33 PM
Jul 2015

The point made is that people of color, LGBT and women with a functioning uterus do not have the luxury of voting for whatever candidate strikes their fancy. They pick who they assess has the best chance of preventing the worst case scenario, a Republican administration. To many people of color, LGBT, and women, it literally is a matter of life and death.

Not everything is about you.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
61. you're talking about me sport
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:39 PM
Jul 2015

And I'm not cavalierly throwing my support behind someone besides Hillary. I think she's an awful candidate who won't be able to deliver on many things important to me besides my sexual freedom.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
64. nope.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:09 PM
Jul 2015

You are talking for ME with this comment:
"The point made is that people of color, LGBT and women with a functioning uterus do not have the luxury of voting for whatever candidate strikes their fancy. They pick who they assess has the best chance of preventing the worst case scenario, a Republican administration. To many people of color, LGBT, and women, it literally is a matter of life and death.

I'm a gay man and I'm not choosing to support who I do because I don't have the "luxury" of choosing not only who best mirrors my values but who I also think can win. I have no idea who you are or anything about your situation but you don't get to speak for ME.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
70. oh spare me the melodrama.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:41 PM
Jul 2015

I am gay and will never vote for Hillary Clinton. Barney Fudd can go fuck himself.

 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
71. 'Not everything is about you.' now THERE's a great campaign slogan!
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:57 PM
Jul 2015

Vote for Hillary - because not everything is about you.

Put the voter in their place - how DARE they think of voting for someone ELSE. WE'VE decided what BEST. You OWE us your support and vote. NOW DO IT!!!!!

(actually, I don't know why I'm challenging you. You have an arrogant attitude, in support of a candidate with high negatives - you're exactly what Sanders supporters need)

 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
73. oh, ok, you didn't say it makes me racist, homophobic or a misogynist.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:03 PM
Jul 2015


you said it means that I don't care about people of color, LGBT, and women, and that I only care for myself

glad we cleared that up

you know, you really got a way with people

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
57. Well, they must have money in the bank and investments, or
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:16 PM
Jul 2015

they are shooting themselves in the foot .
We need a candidate fighting fur Main St, not Wall St.

SunSeeker

(51,698 posts)
62. Your post evinces the sort of tone deaf, condescending attitude that BLM was talking about.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:43 PM
Jul 2015

People of color choose Hillary over that dreamy Bernie, not because they are too stupid to know better, but because based on their sober assessment of the situation, they have concluded that voting for Hillary will best protect their interests.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
65. are you a person of color?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:12 PM
Jul 2015

You've already spoken for me (LGBT) and women...just need to know who I'm dealing with here.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
83. Thats ok. I don't care for BLM's abush style tctics, oartîculary on a guy like Sanders. in fact
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:50 PM
Jul 2015

when I see BLM in the title I have a preconceived notion that it will be a hit piece. The movement isn't doing itself any good with tactics like it employs. You can't define anyone who doesn't kiss your @$$ and claim your issues are all that matters is a racist. Who out of anyone running would provide more support for the AA community then Sanders ? If you want lip service while Wall St get a wink and nod that their back is covered, go ahead and try to take Sanders down

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
86. Good grief.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:07 PM
Jul 2015

Yes, I support Bernie in the primaries. Yes, I will hold my nose and vote for Hillary in the general if I have to, because SCOTUS. Yes, it is still PRIMARY SEASON, so support of any primary candidate (unless it's a crazy/plant like Trump, or the crazy Houston-area "Democrat" whose name I can't remember), is OK. Last I heard.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
17. Mr. Frank is entitled to his opinion
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 04:24 AM
Jul 2015

and to state same. I am entitled to mine and I disagree with him on this point.

concreteblue

(626 posts)
18. The rest of the article
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:58 AM
Jul 2015

The rest of the article is interesting as well, and prompts questions.
""Jobs and college don't stop the police from killing me!" said a woman", and this is of course a valid point.
What does LEO reform look like? Is a new model of community policing necessary? Is it possible? What percentage of Mr. Sanders message should be dedicated to addressing it?
The last question prompts more questions which I am sure are evident and do not care to bring up as they would very possibly (probably? Certainly?) lead to the messy and sometimes ugly discussions seen on other threads. The difficulty of getting through these is what sows seeds of division easily exploited by political operatives.
Answers? I have none. Ideas? I have a few. Can they be discussed in a way that avoids the political discussion swamp?...........

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
30. One of my ideas is to start sending American police overseas to take training in countries where
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:39 AM
Jul 2015

they don't go around shooting people for minor criminal offenses. Or to bring trainers from those countries over here. To pour money into teaching police how to de-escalate, rather than antagonize and bully those they stop.

concreteblue

(626 posts)
43. One of mine....
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:12 PM
Jul 2015

I have long thought that true community policing would involve ALL members of the community. Why not require every citizen of age to serve 2 years as a cop? Then every citizen will have the same experience, and have respect for both the job and the citizens.

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
20. Barney is an outspoken and interesting gay guy that is and has been part of the problem
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:55 AM
Jul 2015

once we get into the works of the system.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
22. Sellouts, trying to sell us out.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:40 AM
Jul 2015

Sorry Barney, 1999 called, it wants it's failed Third Way economics back.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
28. Bernie's real problem with minorities is not Bernie.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:37 AM
Jul 2015

It's all the white people determined to 'protect' him from black people. The twitter storm of idiotic attacks on BLM and on the guy who created the hashtag #BernieSoBlack continues apace, each one pushing black people who use Twitter ever farther away from Bernie. Bernie's working on responding in a constructive way, many of his "followers" are behaving like neanderthalish trolls. Each and every one of whom are working hard to undermine everything he himself does.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
80. Really.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:35 PM
Jul 2015

BTW, my favorite #berniesoblack: #BernieSoBlack that Hillary Clinton is taking his vote for granted.

Nitram

(22,879 posts)
31. I'm a big fan of Barnie Frank.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:09 AM
Jul 2015

He is honest, progressive and he tells it like it is. But if he says that Clinton is the best presidential candidate, that automatically makes him the enemy.

riversedge

(70,303 posts)
54. This will be
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:50 PM
Jul 2015

the downfall of all Dems--making the other our enemies. We need a Dem in the WH come 2016-simple at that. I will support whoever gets the nomination.

Nitram

(22,879 posts)
92. Lockstep? Like not thinking Bernie is the best thing since sliced bread?
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 08:02 AM
Jul 2015

Like hating on Hillary? I'm just saying we shouldn't put fellow liberals in the "enemy" column just because they sipport a candidate that we don't like or don't think can win the nomination.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
32. ... another surrogate attack dog, just like Anthony Weiner ...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:14 AM
Jul 2015

Sorry, Hillary, it's time to run a different kind of campaign.
Tell us - show us from your record - what you're going to do for the average folk of this country.
Help usher in some palatable politics: refuse to attack (directly or via surrogate crap slinger) Mr. Sanders.
After all, he is not attacking you.

murielm99

(30,763 posts)
39. It is interesting how anyone who supports Hillary
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:51 PM
Jul 2015

is a surrogate or a mouthpiece. These people, no matter how successful and intelligent, are dismissed and called names. Any prominent person who favors Bernie is hailed in multiple threads with multiple recs and embraced with great fervor for their brilliance and foresight.

Hillary has shown us her record and links have been posted here repeatedly by her supporters.

I think we all know who the crap slingers are.

This is just another childish attack on the front runner.

 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
58. I wonder why Anthony Weiner supports HRC
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:17 PM
Jul 2015

it's almost like someone he's close to works for HRC

(not that he's the best advocate, one could have)

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
46. I love Barney Frank. But he's just wrong here.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:58 PM
Jul 2015

Even he had to qualify his support for Clinton in matters military. And no, it's not just a matter of how not what.

But lying about him and his record is just stupid and wrong.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
50. Yet another statement of the Sanders-is-unelectable argument for voting for Clinton.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:18 PM
Jul 2015

That argument is way premature. If Sanders actually does well enough in the early primaries to pose a serious threat to Clinton, but he is polling far worse than Clinton against the likely repub candidate, then the argument may have relevance. Right now it is just encouraging people to be horribly cynical and immediately settle for the same-old crap without even putting up a fight.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
51. Yes, Barney.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:30 PM
Jul 2015

Hillary is going to work hard to restrict the same corporate money she's using to try and buy the White House.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
52. A Citizens United beneficiary is going to put a stop to it?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:35 PM
Jul 2015


I love you Barney, but you're full of shit. Hillary is going to have too many of the wrong people to thank.

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
66. Has always been such. One of my favorite Turd Wayers because he unlike most of them wasn't afraid to
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:17 PM
Jul 2015

hit the TeaPubliKlans between the eyes with a 2x4 but he loves banks and Wall Street.

NHDEMFORLIFE

(489 posts)
67. As Bernie himself says:
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:26 PM
Jul 2015

“I like her. I respect her. … It is not necessary for people to dislike each other or attack each other just because they’re running for office.”
While I still haven't decided who to support, it'd be refreshing to see Democrats respect Bernie's words and act accordingly as the Republican clown car drives into a ditch.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
69. I HATE Democrats like Barney Frank
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:33 PM
Jul 2015

Sellouts and a huge reason we are in the mess we are in.

If we do not get economic reform, nothing else is going to fucking matter. We are all in the same leaky piece of shit rowboat.

Clinton will do nothing for anyone that isn't in the corporations' best interest.

postatomic

(1,771 posts)
75. I've been avoiding touching on the same points he makes
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:09 PM
Jul 2015
The day before #BlackLivesMatter protesters commandeered Netroots Nation, former Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) explained why the left’s 2016 candidates were not appealing to non-white voters. Frank, who considers any challenge to Hillary Clinton to be a divisive waste of money, asked liberals to consider why the supporters of Bernie Sanders seemed to be so white and comfortable.

“To some extent, and with respect to my white liberal friends in the white liberal base, these are people for whom politics is a deeply-held ideological passion,” he said.


Jill Stein would be a better candidate than Senator Sanders. Of course she's not a Democrat. Oh wait.

This ideology driven support for Sanders is not about electing anyone. it's about giving a voice to the White "Liberals" who want to exist in a vacuum. And the childish attacks on Barney Frank on this thread were sooooo predictable.

This isn't a Pee Wee Soccer tournament. Real lives are at stake here and Senator Sanders can not deliver on his platform, which I'm not entirely clear as to what it is, because he has little to no support within the Democratic Party. Also; based on prior Presidential Elections, like it or not, the Democratic Candidate will need to generate close to $1,500,000,000. The only way Senator Sanders can raise even a fraction of that is to have strong support from the Democrats, which HE DOES NOT HAVE.

If I'm going to throw money away on a candidate who I respect as someone who gets results and is a true progressive, I''ll donate to Jill Stein. I'll still support the Dem in the General Election financially and otherwise, but I can't get behind a Traveling Preacher like Senator Sanders (I) Vermont.

Note: I don't reply to snark or stupid.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
79. "but they won’t suffer much if a Republican becomes president.”
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:28 PM
Jul 2015

You have got to be f*cking kidding me. Talk about out of touch with reality. Or playing little reindeer games.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
81. I recently heard
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:43 PM
Jul 2015

(here on DU) that Barney, at least at one time, felt atheist politicians should stay in the closet. Practical, but hardly consistent. How about sticking up for us as well, especially since he came out as an atheist?? (Links upon request - had 'em but lost 'em on tablet.)

azmom

(5,208 posts)
87. The article makes me like Bernie
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:29 PM
Jul 2015

Even more. We need to change the rotten system and it is going to take an outsider to do it. You can't fight the establishment and be part of it.

Further, it is POC's like myself that stand to gain the most from a Bernie presidency.

This is not just an election. It is a political revolution.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
89. "This is not just an election. It is a political revolution."
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:37 PM
Jul 2015

Certainly hope so. If I must live in interesting times, I should at least get a revolution out of it.

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