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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:20 PM Jul 2015

Looks like we FINALLY got some info about how Bernie performs against potential GOP candidates....

Bernie was matched up against 4 potential nominees.

Here are the results:

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Bernie Sanders 37%
Jeb Bush 44%
Not sure 19%

Bernie Sanders 47%
Donald Trump 37%
Not sure 15%

Bernie Sanders 39%
Scott Walker 40%
Not sure 21%

Bernie Sanders 36%
Marco Rubio 41%
Not sure 23%

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Here's how Hillary performs against the same GOPers:

Hillary Clinton 46%
Jeb Bush 41%
Not sure 13%


Hillary Clinton 50%
Donald Trump 37%
Not sure 13%

Hillary Clinton 46%
Scott Walker 41%
Not sure 12%

Hillary Clinton 46%
Marco Rubio 41%
Not sure 13%


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If you look at the poll, Hillary was matched up against even more GOP candidates and she also beats every one of them head-to-head:

Hillary Clinton 47%
Ben Carson 39%
Not sure 14%

Hillary Clinton 46%
Chris Christie 38%
Not sure 16%

Hillary Clinton 48%
Ted Cruz 40%
Not sure 12%

Hillary Clinton 47%
Carly Fiorina 37%
Not sure 17%

Hillary Clinton 46%
Mike Huckabee 40%
Not sure 15%

Hillary Clinton 45%
Rand Paul 42%
Not sure 13%

Link:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_72215.pdf

FYI, PPP was the most accurate pollster during the 2012 presidential election cycle.

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Looks like we FINALLY got some info about how Bernie performs against potential GOP candidates.... (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 OP
long ways to go ibegurpard Jul 2015 #1
Just from a purely observational position, I agree with your assessment. AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #2
I agree with that. bravenak Jul 2015 #6
They're not amazing, they are terrible, particularly combined with his unfavorable numbers. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #7
they'd be terrible if it was January ibegurpard Jul 2015 #21
Amazing Nite Owl Jul 2015 #31
Thanks Cali! sheshe2 Jul 2015 #3
You're welcome! Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #15
As it stands today. Half-Century Man Jul 2015 #4
Those Not Sure's are the target arcane1 Jul 2015 #5
And judging from how his unfavorables rise as folks get to know him, they wont break his way. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #8
Oh they will. Yes indeed! arcane1 Jul 2015 #11
No they won't, and we can see that from the trend already. As people get to know him stevenleser Jul 2015 #20
Once people see through the smears, they'll love him n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #23
Has nothing to do with smears it has to do with knowing what he is about stevenleser Jul 2015 #25
That explains all the empty stadiums he's appearing in. eom Qutzupalotl Jul 2015 #13
Trump is drawing huge crowds too, and his unfavorables are also sky high stevenleser Jul 2015 #19
Remind us again how many people Clinton drew in the enormous city of New York? arcane1 Jul 2015 #24
Enough to win it by large margins each time she ran for senate here. stevenleser Jul 2015 #26
New York isn't America. She has to win over the people who chose Obama over her last time :) arcane1 Jul 2015 #28
And now you move the goalposts after discussing New York. Hillary will win it all stevenleser Jul 2015 #30
A Hillary supporter... bvar22 Jul 2015 #17
It's all they got.. Pretty soon they'll have to go back to the beginning... London Lover Man Jul 2015 #18
You ready to relive the red scare? Alittleliberal Jul 2015 #32
What did the PPP polls show at this time in 2007? n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #9
That's what I wondered. bvf Jul 2015 #14
Polls tazkcmo Jul 2015 #35
so both trump trump. restorefreedom Jul 2015 #10
Those high "not sure" numbers renders this pointless at this point rocktivity Jul 2015 #12
Not bad! Go Bernie! morningfog Jul 2015 #16
wow, I am amazed that Sanders is already doing that well. Vattel Jul 2015 #22
Me too. He's almost into the MOE range vis-a-vis Hillary with 6 months to go before primaries begin BlueStreak Jul 2015 #29
People are just learning about him in the states he is speaking in mmonk Jul 2015 #27
The gross percentages mean nothing, you can only tell by the state to state MiniMe Jul 2015 #33
These are interesting polling numbers Gothmog Jul 2015 #34
The poll numbers show PATRICK Jul 2015 #36
That has to suck for Trump Jamaal510 Jul 2015 #37
Bernie Sanders could beat the Donald. No surprise there. Lil Missy Jul 2015 #38

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
1. long ways to go
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:24 PM
Jul 2015

And for someone who's just started getting the kind of national name recognition Hillary has had for years those numbers look fucking amazing to me! We are talking only a few point deficits here.

AllFieldsRequired

(489 posts)
2. Just from a purely observational position, I agree with your assessment.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:26 PM
Jul 2015

Bernie Sanders may have a ways to go with certain and very important groups of the base of the Democratic Party, but to be this close this early on, seems like a positive if you are a Bernie Sanders fan.


Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
4. As it stands today.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:30 PM
Jul 2015

Still a long way to go, a path soon to be made slippery with mountains of mud that waits be thrown, alliances made/broken, bombshells, and fizzled ideas.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
8. And judging from how his unfavorables rise as folks get to know him, they wont break his way. nt
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:39 PM
Jul 2015
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
20. No they won't, and we can see that from the trend already. As people get to know him
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:50 PM
Jul 2015

His unfavorables rise very fast. Not quite as fast as trump, but much faster than his favorables.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
25. Has nothing to do with smears it has to do with knowing what he is about
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:02 AM
Jul 2015

This is a trend that began when he announced, and no one was talking about Bernie back then but Bernie and his supporters.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
19. Trump is drawing huge crowds too, and his unfavorables are also sky high
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:49 PM
Jul 2015

When you go to a city of 500,000, and 5000-20000 go to a stadium to see you, that leaves 480,000-495,000 people who either may not know you, or don't like you.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
26. Enough to win it by large margins each time she ran for senate here.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:02 AM
Jul 2015

Oops, guess you forgot that.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
30. And now you move the goalposts after discussing New York. Hillary will win it all
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:11 AM
Jul 2015

And I look forward to her being sworn in a little over 18 months from now

 

London Lover Man

(371 posts)
18. It's all they got.. Pretty soon they'll have to go back to the beginning...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:40 PM
Jul 2015

Berni's a socialist!!!!1 (groan)

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
14. That's what I wondered.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:49 PM
Jul 2015

Paying attention to polls at this point is as useful as speculating how Trump would do if he runs as an independent, or whether Jesus will rise from the dead in October '16 expressly to endorse Huckabee.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
35. Polls
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:59 PM
Jul 2015

One poll at this point gives a little info but does not say "This candidate will win the election". Certainly gives folks an inclination of where the candidates stand in relation to each other. What I pay attention to is a series of polls. How the numbers change. Is there a trend? If so, is it significant or just a "burp"? Those kind of things. I sure wouldn't make any bets at this point as there's so much time for things to change by primary voting time, not to mention GE voting.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
10. so both trump trump.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:40 PM
Jul 2015

I find these numbers to be encouraging, not just as a Bernie supporter but as a dem supporter. a look at the projected electoral college map is also reason for hope.

http://freedomslighthouse.net/election/2014-2016/2016-presidential-election-electoral-vote-map-polls-projections/

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
12. Those high "not sure" numbers renders this pointless at this point
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:41 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:19 PM - Edit history (1)

Intriguing, yes. But pointless.




rocktivity

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
29. Me too. He's almost into the MOE range vis-a-vis Hillary with 6 months to go before primaries begin
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:09 AM
Jul 2015

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
27. People are just learning about him in the states he is speaking in
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:05 AM
Jul 2015

and people out in the real world are still not familiar with him enough yet to draw enough of an opinion. Given that, I wonder how that same poll would have looked like at the beginning of June for comparison. Still too much time ahead to draw conclusions. It's not measuring enough. Celebrate now though if it makes you feel good. Your candidate is ahead.

MiniMe

(21,718 posts)
33. The gross percentages mean nothing, you can only tell by the state to state
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:50 AM
Jul 2015

Gore got more votes than W in 2000, and still lost the election. At least once the Supreme Court Selected Gore lost.

PATRICK

(12,228 posts)
36. The poll numbers show
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 04:50 PM
Jul 2015

besides possibly a mass stupidity in the middle of the electorate, that the Dems depend on new and enthused voters, groups
NOT unitive blandness, and the GOP desperately clings to the hate smoke of its increasingly Nazified base just to tread water with gerrymandering and fraudulent publicity. For the GOP it's as if the Know Nothings bonded with the Whigs for mutual survival. In history they both died out. The Dems simply do not go in for the kill.

For those that like to sleep better at night, it would be better to see a universal meltdown in the GOP clown show instead of the steady forty per cent they seem to get out of nowhere. i would like see rewarded enthusiasm for a real progressive agenda.

The poll looks decent but is obviously too early for "final" result accuracy. I think it is pretty safe at this point that another dynamic comes into effect with any "fall of the frontrunner" debacle. And that dynamic might not result in a crushing progressive wave. Which we need, but by the history probably won't get without a Hoover and a Depression and something like a surging Labor movement.

If Third Party Trump splits the vote it will be a rare moment when the bad guys unite to do themselves in, irrevocably. Bernie is under the usual test, the first painful steps to approach challenging either frontrunner or a national agenda. Long long ways to go, but the more publicity for a real public agenda the better.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
37. That has to suck for Trump
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 05:25 PM
Jul 2015

to know that even Sanders polls better than him in the GE. But knowing how big his head is, he probably doesn't give a flying fart.

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