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Clinton was hand selected by Bush Sr as the opponent in case Perot stayed in the race to mess things up. They are both criminally attached.

Not!

Thanks for the reminder.

And after he finally left the White House,
I did a lot less screaming at the television...

I agree, yes his image is painful to gaze upon indeed.

try to look directly at a picture of Cheney without getting ill. I don't think it can be done.

8 years of rule by darth vader and his idiot puppet.

and Jebbo starting to look like him! (instead of, uh, Bruce Campbell)

...that much taller than Clinton, and so much more impressive-looking. Unless, that's just TIME.

I"ve always thought President Carter to be a darn great POTUS and an outstanding human being.

JC has the good taste and sense to leave some distance between himself and the traitorous ex's who so conspicuously hope BHO and his obviously superior qualities and achievements might somehow come to rub off on their far-inferior legacies. And, alas, this is yet another occasion when Obama is too nice a fellow to even mildly thwart them in their efforts.

It is amazing to me that Bill has not at least tried to edge a little closer to what we might call a Democratic posture, a pastel version of the entire rewriting of history that the Republicans engage in routinely (e.g.,Reagan and Bush*2). More and more he seems to me like a wily politician and hugely successful accumulator of wealth based on his fame crossed with a total Arkie doofus with little or no commitment to what I consider the form of government we who were raised post-FDR and pre-Reagan understood.

Disgusting is being polite.

I also had the impression that Bill is taller, but can't say for sure

leaning (not quite sitting) on a stool. Not sure.

Why Time did that is beyond me. But the goofy Editor is always on Scarborough. That may explain the picture.

Clinton is certainly not helping Hillary with his sickening love for the Bush family. If he was smart he would stay far away.

that had that ridiculous "shrinking President" cover back in '93. But then again, Clinton's job approvals tripled W.s

Tho as much as I disliked W.'s presidency and his political hackery, at least he tries to stay more above the fray than Jimmy Carter. I do like that two former Presidents, and people who indirectly campaigned against each other, can get along.

HERE to Americans? About the only place in the world that image rather than the reality of his involvement in the affairs of this country, has any credibility.

The Bush family have done more harm to this country and to the people of other nations, than anyone I can think of in recent history.

Carter is not part of that 'circle', thank the gods.

and I am aware he is hated overseas (except in Africa), another reason I don't want his brother as President. But I cannot excuse Carter's meddling with Hamas, Castro, and North Korea, without the blessing of either Clinton or Bush admins. He not only accomplished nothing but made things worse.

lied this country into war, they are responsible for War Crimes, over one million murdered Iraqis, torture, thousands of dead American troops, not to mention the maimed and those who killed themselves after they came home.

Carter managed to do what no other president did, he brokered a Peace Deal in the ME. Since then, the warmongers in this country have controlled our government and peace is not on their agenda.

War is for profit, they are not going to give it up easily. The Bushes made their fortune on the deaths of other people, starting with WW11.

he actually almost scuttled it. Sadat and Begin did it in secret, and Carter tried to take credit. Dennis Ross goes into good detail in "Myths, Illusions, and Peace"

I don't like the Bushes, but I also don't buy into conspiracy theory either. No 9/11 was not an inside job, and I don't think Bush started the war "for oil," but rather to save his re-election prospects, bc he knew his post 9/11 hi approvals wouldn't last.

but hey! You feel free to come on a Democratic website and make a smearing attack on and ridicule President Carter, relying solely on Dennis Ross.

Ross was criticized by people on both sides of the conflict. Former Palestinian Foreign Minister Nabil Shaath described him as being more "pro-Israeli than the Israelis."[9] Occasional references to his Jewish ancestry were brought up within the Arab world (although Ross maintains this was not a problem with other heads of state during negotiations), while some conservative Israelis branded him "self-hating"—each questioning his ability to be unbiased,[10][11] though Palestinians involved in the negotiation process would insist that his perceived lack of objectivity had little to do with his religion.[12] Describing Ross, Roger Cohen wrote that "Balance is something this meticulous diplomat [Ross] prizes. But a recurrent issue with Ross, who embraced the Jewish faith after being raised in a non-religious home by a Jewish mother and Catholic stepfather, has been whether he is too close to the American Jewish community and Israel to be an honest broker with Iran or Arabs. Aaron David Miller, after years of working with Ross, concluded in a book that he 'had an inherent tendency to see the world of Arab–Israeli politics first from Israel's vantage point rather than that of the Palestinians.' Another former senior State Department official, who requested anonymity told me, "Ross's bad habit is pre-consultation with the Israelis."[13]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Ross

The Nobel peace Prize 2002

The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided to award the Nobel Peace Prize for 2002 to Jimmy Carter, for his decades of untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts, to advance democracy and human rights, and to promote economic and social development.

During his presidency (1977-1981), Carter's mediation was a vital contribution to the Camp David Accords between Israel and Egypt, in itself a great enough achievement to qualify for the Nobel Peace Prize. At a time when the cold war between East and West was still predominant, he placed renewed emphasis on the place of human rights in international politics.

Through his Carter Center, which celebrates its 20th anniversary in 2002, Carter has since his presidency undertaken very extensive and persevering conflict resolution on several continents. He has shown outstanding commitment to human rights, and has served as an observer at countless elections all over the world. He has worked hard on many fronts to fight tropical diseases and to bring about growth and progress in developing countries. Carter has thus been active in several of the problem areas that have figured prominently in the over one hundred years of Peace Prize history.

In a situation currently marked by threats of the use of power, Carter has stood by the principles that conflicts must as far as possible be resolved through mediation and international co-operation based on international law, respect for human rights, and economic development.
http://nobelpeaceprize.org/en_GB/laureates/laureates-2002/press-2002/

For posting that.

He thinks there are those who do not remember.

That is not true. Carter had the two at Camp David going back and forth,trying to get them to agree. He was very disappointed when the talks failed!

Where did you hear that? You are posting to people who remember the event here!

...the Bush Crime Family, but you certainly know nothing about James Earl Carter. Former president Carter had never made a trip overseas to meet with government officials without first clearing such a visit with the State Department. I don't know why you would make the assertion that he 'meddled' in affairs of state after he left office. This leads me to doubt your credibility on how well you know the Bushes.

From some one who understands.

Bush stays more above the fray than Carter?

Bush is basically in hiding, when he's not charging huge speaking fees to disabled veterans, he's responsible for disabling.

Carter works with Habitat for Humanity, monitors elections for fairness, and is a better ex-President than he was President. He gives back to the country.

McMonkey is 6'0".

For all you game of thrones fans, here's the full pic. It really is a good analogy, kudos to the first politician who comes up with an ad referencing it.

Not life or death. Fed or hungry. In pain with no relief available. Sheltered or waiting till dark to sleep in a shadow where you won't get mugged, killed or other wise assaulted. A game indeed.

he doesn't hang out with Billionaires and the likes of Henry Kissenger and the Bushes.

These two should be standing on a pile of dead bodies...other people dying created their wealth...Bush, war...Clinton, prisons...

Ready for Bernie!!!

All they need is Poppy Bush in there and Hillary Clinton, with President Obama in the middle.

"Bringing you the same old economics and social disregard for 35 years..."

to tell people to stop one's brother, and the other one's
wife.

There are other candidates out there to choose from.

how sick and tired they are of these two families. That photo isn't going to help, though I know how much money can buy and am prepared for some very nasty attacks on the only candidate who truly represents the people.

But then, those who control our control our government, the money people, who buy our elections, they have no party. When they say that, that is what they are talking about. And despite what we see where Repubs and Dems are seemingly at odds, in the end the bills the Oligarchs always manage to pass.

I'm beginning to think the whole thing is a huge farce.

However, I'm thinking the kind of bi-partisanship they DON'T want is when the people start uniting against them to take back what has been taken from them. THAT they don't want, which is why OWS was so brutally attacked, and why Bernie will also be brutally attacked.

Spot on analysis.

Really folks, ever wonder what we're doing here?

How can anyone vote for Hillary????

I just don't understand it. She is more of the same.

We need real change. And Bernie will bring it.

Jeb Bush wants to "reform" Medicare and Social Security.

Hillary and Bill Clinton are close friends not just with the George Bushes, but also with Pete Peterson. They are all rich, and they all want to privatize Medicare and Social Security regardless of what they say.

If you want a president who will privatize Medicare and Social Security, go ahead, vote for Hillary.

If you want a president who will fight to lift the cap on payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare so that people who earn millions pay for it just as well as people who earn very little, then vote for Bernie.

It's as simple as that. The oligarchs like the Clintons and the Bushes do not need or like Social Security or Medicare. Sanders does like Social Security and Medicare and has vowed to protect it.

To the best of my knowledge, anything Bush is still toxic in Democratic circles.

Bernie is having some measure of success at attracting GOP voters to his rally's, and this is the attempt by Corporate powers to perhaps kickstart that for Hillary by showing Bill Clinton and GWB, their favorite puppets, as best buds. They're obviously not confident enough of their gambit to put Hillary herself on camera with shrub though. Not yet anyway.

But I would have thought that anything Clinton is still toxic in GOP circles?

And they exist.... just like the Democrats who don't like black people!

There aren't a lot of them, but every vote counts...

Go for the anti-semite Democrats? Or see if there are any Democrats left who are still conditioned to lose reason at the mentioning of "socialism"?

His earlier years have some grist for their mill. They wouldn't use the anti-Semite card directly; they make their money off of proclaiming support for Israel (because that nation is instrumental to the "Rapture" or something). They might get a surrogate to play that, like they managed to "get" McCain in SC over his "illegitimate black baby" and then denied it was them who spread that rumor.

The "socialist" card would get heavy play, make no mistake.

Outrage addicts going to be outraged
Screamers going to scream
Extremists going to be extreme

People who use little icons of them throwing their computers in response to people uniting to do international charity work in response to a tsunami are... well... you know.


I wish you well, DUers. I wish you well.

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It's pretty amusing seeing people making such fools of themselves over that. Amusing and sad.

http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=508312

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Linking to a post you wrote on another site for the purpose of bashing DUers. If you want to call us names... how about you have the sack to do it right here?

I'm alert stalked constantly by that small, noisy, faction of DU, who are too ignorant to realize that they're implicitly allying themselves with Karl Rove.

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Go figure.

Gets hidden. It really depends on the jury.

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...don't have to advertise it.

Those who do try to claim they are "Reality Based"....aren't.

I don't like the rolling laughing guy posts, except this once, well done.

I guess the screen name says it all. Never really understood how that "conservative Democrat" thing worked. Kinda like a "Reagan Democrat". Totally contradictory terms.

Oddly, the fisherman syncs right in with a certain crowd on DU, who give the fisherman high fives for every fish caught.
Yah, the fisherman loves him some dubya. Nothing surprising about that.
When done fishing, the fisherman retreats to a cave where other fishermen meet and regale each other with stories about their day's work.

And if you get your sick little jollies hating President Clinton's charitable works, and seeing what good he can get out of people, screeching that it's all "corrupt", blah, blah, blah, go right ahead. Haters gonna hate.

I guarantee you that you've done absolutely nothing in terms of helping people, in comparison. Assuming that you've done anything at all.

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Reality is what We the People are re-making it,

Go Bernie Go!!

Do you really need someone to explain to you why GW Bush has earned every bit of enmity -- and more -- than you deride so flippantly?

Surrogates will be surrogates. Lemmings will be lemmings. Hypocrites will be hypocrites. Obfuscaters will obfuscate.

Either her son or her surrogate daughter-in-law will be the next president.

That should give us all some warm fuzzies, right?

Sigh.

I expect Bush v Clinton, bro vs wife, will be the lowest voter turnout ever in a presidential year. Not even a pretense of a real, meaningful choice in such an election, in the eyes of many. This magazine cover plays right into that disgust.


There were a few moments in 2008 when I wondered if Bill was trying to sabotage Hillary's campaign. I'm wondering the same thing now.

How can Bill possibly believe this picture does not hurt Hillary's campaign?

This was in 2007 when bush was still president and runing the country



WASHINGTON (CNN) - Former President George H.W. Bush has shot down his successor Bill Clinton’s idea of a diplomatic mission under a Hillary Clinton presidency that would send him and other notables abroad to assure other nations that “America is open for business and cooperation again.”

The move came one day after Bill Clinton made the suggestion on the campaign trail in South Carolina, in response to a question from a supporter about his wife’s “number-one priority” upon reaching the White House.

In a statement sent to CNN Tuesday afternoon, former President Bush’s chief of staff Jean Becker said that he “wholeheartedly supports the President of the United States, including his foreign policy. He has never discussed an ‘around-the-world-mission’ with either former President Bill Clinton or Sen. Clinton, nor does he think such a mission is warranted since he is proud of the role America continues to play around the world as the beacon of hope for freedom and democracy.



http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/18/elder-bush-nixes-clinton-trip-idea/?3409

the clinton /bush brotherhood makes me throw up.

Always have been.

I'd laugh except it's to cry.

And wow, Hillary Clinton is the last person that I'd call "humble" as she gads about for photo-op after photo-op with war criminals, war profiteers and political psychopaths. Think about it: how could someone so knowledgeable as Hillary Clinton be so tight with Henry Kissinger? Neither "humility" nor any virtue fits that reality.

Wasn't the third guy in the picture a "conservative Democrat"?

Gov. Wallace stood against desegregation while being confronted by Deputy U.S. Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach at the University of Alabama in 1963.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace

Who is the third man? It looks likeGeorge Wallace.

From the same two families, over and over again.

The issue is fundamental, it's actually about candidates who've been vetted by the representatives of both the billionaire class, and their servants/partners, the people at the top of the establishment that keeps our system running.

They are both former Presidents. They have worked together on charity causes apparently. People in their families are running for President. I see an angle for an article. You see unicorns.

Weak sauce.

oligarch
[ ˈäliˌgärk, ˈōl- ]

NOUN

1. a ruler in an oligarchy.

2. (especially in Russia) a very rich businessman with a great deal of political influence.
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So the question is, does Bill Clinton have political power and is he rich?

Hint: that's what the Occupy Wall Street thingy was all about, defining 1% as the Oligarchs.

I expect the Obamas will be as well for the great service they did in protecting them from prosecution and keeping all of their programs running smoothly.

So yes, they're part of the ruling party. Any dispute of that?

I expect the Obamas to be tossed aside like Carter.

No way the Obama family is like those two.
Just my opinion, mind you - and time will tell - but it seems to me that when Hillary was finished as SoS after the first term, there was a breath of fresh air and it steadily got better and better and better. What Obama is doing now pisses them off no end.

The "thousand points of light" thing was pretty over the top...and I don't think what Obama is doing right now is truly bothering Bushco. They're still out of jail, and the Iran thing is not directly against their interests.

That said, insider talk is that while Obama does everything he can to keep the monied interests happy, he doesn't actually like them the way Bill does and won't engage with them personally. Even so, he's now comfortably among the "big club," and more importantly for him I suspect, he's done what he needed to to secure a place for his kids and the rest of his descendents among the protected class.

The Princeton Report said we now live in an oligarchy. But some among us welcome the comfort of strong authoritarian leaders that promise to take good care of them, keep them safe, and tuck them in at night.

Here's a quote from Bruce Schneieder ( http://www.schneier.com)

"Trading privacy for security is stupid enough; not getting any actual security in the bargain is even stupider."

Awesome quote, and so true.

I might understand the people trading their liberty away...but they're getting literally nothing for it.

Neither Bill nor Hillary was born with a silver spoon in their mouth or up their @$5#

The Bushes inherited most of theirs along with influential connections.

They've actually been in "the club" George Carlin talked about, from the get-go

The spoon in the ass came later

and disgusting than mere words have the power to express. We are FUCKED if it's Bush/Clinton, which should rightly be called Bush/Bush if this is any indicator.

Jayzus on a pogo stick.

The Clintons’ net worth is between $11.3 – 52.7-M not including their homes in Washington DC and New York, any federal government retirement accounts they may have, or personal items such as furniture, artwork and presidential memorabilia. Their net worth was between $5.2 – 25.5-M on the final disclosure that Hillary Clinton filed just after stepping down as Secretary of State in early Y 2013.

The Clintons’ assets put in the Top 1% of Americans for wealth. Those with assets of at least about $7.2-M for 2013 fell into that category, according to the data,
http://www.livetradingnews.com/bill-and-hillary-have-become-persons-of-high-net-worth-105066.htm

And while they have done well, their money is chump change
in the world around them. Trump would call them financial
losers!

The Clinton's have used their money helping people and supporting
the Dem's party. When you think how rich they could
have been: if they had decided start a company, lobby, or join a New York
law office, is it wonderful that these two people are willing give their lives to
helping others rather than self indulgences

The Dem are lucky to have the Obama's and Clinton's leading
the party.

If the Clinton's were poor you would be calling them losers too!

Hillary is competent, successful, responsible, and the American
know her and want her to lead this country

I could never support Sanders he has know accomplishments,
he has know leadership qualities;

It took him until he was 73 to take a stand against the GOP,
while other Dem's were out there fighting he sat in Senate
doing nothing. (except talking, signing bills going nowhere).

Sanders supporters are hecklers of the people who are fighters in Dem party:

George Carlin, doesn't mean much, but I bet he didn't like lazy Hecklers!

Sanders is now a "Heckler"?

That is the most ridiculous posts i've seen all week.

Enough is enough, and I've had too much already"!!!!!