2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton & O'Malley have talked a lot about party building in Iowa Caucus. Sanders, not so much
Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine@HillaryClinton & @MartinOMalley have talked a lot about party building in #IACaucus. @BernieSanders, not so much: http://iowastartingline.com/2015/07/30/would-bernie-sanders-help-rebuild-the-democratic-party/
Would Bernie Sanders Help Rebuild The Democratic Party?
After the shellacking Democrats took in the 2010 and 2014 elections, one phrase is on the lips of many Iowa Caucus activists: party building. How would their nominee strengthen the party infrastructure? How committed would they be to help down-ballot Democrats? What type of assistance would they provide to state and local parties beyond campaigning for themselves?
The concern isnt simply a self-interested cry from local activists. Many of President Obamas top priorities have been stymied by Republican control of Congress. On the state level, Republican governors and legislatures have blocked the Affordable Care Acts Medicaid expansion, among other federal initiatives. And in many states, Republicans won so many local elections in Obamas midterms that their voters have seen a net rightward shift in policies during a Democratic presidency.
Some of the 2016 candidates have made efforts to address Democrats concerns. Martin OMalley sent staffers from his PAC to help down-ballot Iowa Democratic candidates in 2014. Hillary Clinton rallied the party faithful at the Hall of Fame Dinner, saying, Lets build up our party in every corner of this state and country, elect Democrats at every level, take back school boards and statehouses all the way to the White House. Both Clinton and OMalley have taken aim at Governor Terry Branstads controversial vetoes of school funding and mental health. And Clintons campaign even singled out Joni Ernst in a statement yesterday, attacking Ernsts bill to defund Planned Parenthood.
...after over three decades in elected office, Sanders has only identified as a Democrat for two months now. He still officially calls himself an Independent in the Senate while running for the Democratic nomination. So as Sanders continues to gain momentum in a party hes avoided classifying himself with, its a legitimate and important question Democrats should ask: if Bernie Sanders were the nominee, would he help rebuild the party?
Much of Sanders electoral history in liberal Vermont is now well-known. First elected in a squeaker of a race as the mayor of Burlington in 1981, Sanders has since spent 16 years in the U.S. House and is serving his second term in the Senate. Throughout that time hes self-identified as a Democratic Socialist and independent. While he caucuses with the Democrats in the Senate now, there was a time in the 1980s and early 1990s where he openly expressed considerable disdain for the party.
Is the Democratic Party a vehicle for social change? It is not, Sanders told a Vermont crowd in 1986, according to press reports from the time in the Rutland Herald. That paper further reported that during Sanders first run for Congress in 1990 he didnt just simply want to run as an independent, but he stated at a Socialist Scholars Conference he planned to establish a statewide third party in Vermont.
We have to ask ourselves why should we work within the Democratic Party if we dont agree with anything the Democratic Party says? Sanders questioned in 1990.
The year before that, he penned a column for the Burlington Free Press where he called for a separate party. Like millions of other Americans, NOW understands that the Democratic and Republican parties are intellectually and morally bankrupt, and that we need a new political movement in this country to represent the needs of the vast majority of our citizens, Sanders wrote in 1989.
And again in 1990, he argued that a third party gaining a decent percentage in the national vote would be better than the Democrats winning the White House. If we could run a good candidate, a (person like Jesse) Jackson or whoever, and get 10 percent of the vote running on a strong democratic socialist point of view, we could have more of an impact in this country than actually winning the presidency under a Democratic candidate, he said.
Obviously, Sanders has cooled off on that rhetoric in the years since. He now works closely with the Democrats in the Senate, won the Vermont Democrats nomination for Senate when he ran in 2006 (and then promptly declined it so as to run as an independent), and now hopes to be the partys national standard-bearer in the presidential campaign. But he has also notably still refused to officially identify as a Democrat in the Senate over all these years.
That reluctance, coupled with his past statements, could make many a party activist very nervous. Would a Sanders nominee address the mundane, though incredibly important party building tasks if he hates the party structure so? Or would he focus solely on his economic populism message? Of course, many of those Sanders quotes are from quite a while ago...
read more: http://iowastartingline.com/2015/07/30/would-bernie-sanders-help-rebuild-the-democratic-party/
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)Iowastartingline.com-yep the author started it this January....
Hmmm, I wonder what else he's done-let's check his linkedin page:
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/patrick-rynard/62/26a/324
What's that he was doing in 2007 and 2008? Field Organizer-Hillary Clinton for President.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...fwiw, Iowa Starting Line has had some really good and balanced coverage of ALL the Democratic candidates with more concern for the interests of Iowa politics than any one candidate. I've actually gotten good coverage of Sanders events in Iowa from Starting Line.
Check their twitter feed:
Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine Jul 24
Another huge crowd for @BernieSanders, opening the balcony section now #IACaucus
Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine Jul 24
@BernieSanders gets standing ovation, sign-waving for calling to overturn Citizens United #IACaucus
Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine Jul 24
Biggest applause: "If a bank is too big to fail, it's too big to exist, it is time we broke them up!" @BernieSanders
Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine Jul 24
@BernieSanders says "all of these trade bills were written by corporate America," hurt wages, send jobs overseas #IACaucus
Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine Jul 24
@BernieSanders was sounding a bit scratchy earlier today at round table but seems fine now, strong speech as usual #IACaucus
Iowa Starting Line retweeted
Samantha-Jo Roth ?@SamanthaJoRoth Jul 24
@BernieSanders - As president of the United States, I will insist that every worker get two weeks of paid vacation #IACAUCUS
Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine Jul 24
@BernieSanders calls paid maternity and paid sick leave a real "family values" issue #IACaucus
Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine Jul 24
@BernieSanders says $7.25 min wage "is a starvation wage, it must be raised to a living wage, which is $15/hour"
Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine Jul 24
"The owners of Wal-Mart own more wealth than the bottom 40% of the American people" - @BernieSanders #IACaucus
Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine Jul 24
@BernieSanders says to those who worry he's radical: "The ideas that we share together are shared by the vast majority of Americans"
Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine Jul 24
Interesting - @BernieSanders says @BarackObama's big mistake was allowing movement to die down/"I'll take it from here" #IACaucus
Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine Jul 24
Woman introducing @BernieSanders gets big applause for noting he supports GMO labeling #IACaucus
Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine Jul 24
Guy sitting next to me grew up in same Brookyln neighborhood as @BernieSanders, 10 blocks down and knew him back then #IACaucus
Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine Jul 24
A nice, substantive discussion wraps up about children's issue w/ @BernieSanders & @VotingforKids event #IACaucus
Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine Jul 24
@BernieSanders says Republicans divide ppl in campaigns to avoid their own economic agenda/record #IACaucus
Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine Jul 24
@BernieSanders says staffer of his in DC spends $30k a year on her 1-year-old child's daycare #IACaucus
Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine Jul 24
@BernieSanders says will pay for free college tuition program w/ tax on Wall Street speculation #IACaucus
Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine Jul 24
@BernieSanders says kids issues important, recounts efforts on childcare, after-school, teen programs in Burlington
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)We need a candidate who will stick up for the Democratic party and its accomplishments.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...despite my criticisms of the Dem party, I'm a strong defender of our Democratic coalition.
You make a good point about the importance of a 'blue wave' in 2016. I would note that the counter to that would be we need a *progressive* wave, not just a generic 'blue' one.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)in their efforts to rewin both houses and build a strong party. I can't see a clear path for that eventuality with candidates trying to win seats by supporting a non DEM POTUS. There are too many people/voters that will question party loyalty of their down ticket DEM.
It's too bad Bernie didn't declare as a Dem well before this election cycle
elleng
(130,974 posts)'Martin OMalley sent staffers from his PAC to help down-ballot Iowa Democratic candidates in 2014.'
As much as I don't care for the Dem Powers that Be, we should recognize that a candidate who has never supported the party as such won't help a Dem/Non-Repug dealing with Congress. Martin O'Malley has ALREADY helped, by doing what he did/does in Iowa.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...which looks to be trying to build a movement which would transcend the current national party; perhaps recreating it, however daunting that task might prove. I think we're going to find that our emerging coalition may diversify with more progressive-leaning candidates, but political realities around the country may well produce a more typical mix of progressive and conservative as individual races produce choices between unacceptable republicans and moderate Dems. I would guess all of that depends on how much of a 'revolution' Sanders and others actually spark to influence those races.
elleng
(130,974 posts)Oddly (considering history,) we Americans here now are NOT revolutionary, think things like big strikes and other movements abroad are 'weird,' so I don't have much hope for a real revolution here; hence I support Martin O'Malley's 'moderate' approach to change: FACTS! (Pardon me for calling us/myself 'moderate,' I'm progressive, always have been, and have regularly supported 'unusual' candidates.)
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)as much as I am with transforming it. Sanders can do both.
Just look at the excitement generated by the Sanders campaign! People who have never been politically active are being energized and activated. Millennials are taking interest. They have something to vote FOR.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...he still needs a cooperative legislature. Talk of 'transforming' the party is certainly appealing, but most of Congress will still be in place, and those who are vying for election will need support. Moreover, if he's looking for progressive support in the legislature he's going to have to do more than just talk about it; he's going to need to get about the task of recruiting and providing actual support for those candidates. also, the party is still going to be a diverse coalition of interests, concerns, and motivations which will need reconciling at legislation time. he'll either need a sizable new contingent of legislators amenable to his views, or he'll need to organize the party he's got. That politicking isn't an automatic process which is going to simply turn on his speechmaking.
It's instructive to that prospect to look at how successful Sanders has been in the past at coalescing with Democrats and successfully moving his initiatives through the legislative process into action or law. If past is prologue, Sanders hasn't held the type of regard for Democrats in Congress which would be expected to rally them to his cause.
Is it realistic that he's going to be able to transform the party into Democratic Socialists? Or, is he going to need to manage a coalition of disparate interests, much like his predecessors?
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I think that can be transformative in and of itself.
But no, a Sanders presidency will not magically change everything.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...of efforts and intentions to tear down the party structure without some guarantee of realistic plan for building it up again in their interest or image.
I'm more persuaded by those with intention and experience in organizing working coalitions of what I think will still be a diversity of interests in Congress. Not a big fan of storming the gates with just some optimistic expectation of a party mutiny away from their own co-equal interests. It would be nice to see a realistic and visibly functional path to that change Sanders is advocating for our party. It really is a leap of faith, in many respects, that he's asking Americans to stake on his candidacy.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I'm the one that wants to tear the Party apart and start from scratch, not Bernie.
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bigtree
(85,998 posts)...I didn't see Clinton as a NY Senator leading more than coalescing with others there behind legislation where a consensus could be found. I think her notion of assuming a leadership role is as ambitious and challenging for her, perhaps, as Sanders' as someone organizing from outside the party's regular order.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)the Democratic Party back to it's roots as the party of the working class, not the banker class.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...but it says little about his actual efforts to organize or aid that transformation with recruiting, campaigning for, or providing resources for candidates; even those he might feel will aid him in Congress.
It's likely not going to be enough to just talk Congress down. There's still going to be the need for actual party building efforts which involve more than just just talking about the changes he wants and talking about the need for a revolution. What this article is questioning is how much enthusiasm or interest he has in actually doing the groundwork to make those types of congressional candidacies a reality, and how much actual time and personal involvement he's willing to expend in that effort.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)We wont be just knocking on doors, phone banking and tabling just for Bernie, but we will also be promoting any candidate fr Congressperson or Senator up for election that year who is a progressive. We know he needs a Congress he can work with.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)Did I forget my sarcasm emoticon. Here it is.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...recognizing, if you will, that talking me down on this discussion board doesn't make one bit of difference in the reality of his actual campaign.
But, maybe Bernie has some brand new way of organizing that party support he needs to succeed that political observers like me are unaware of. I remain skeptical of his experience or abilities in party building, or even managing the party coalition. Bravado, or even sarcasm or ridicule aren't as convincing as those defenses may seem from your pov.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)happened across the nation. Bernie spoke live over the internet to what is estimated to be 100,000 attendees across the nation since he couldn't be everywhere at once. The event I attended was sponsored by a local politician, with support from two others, who is organizing and putting his campaign together locally. The organizer said she sent out press releases to all our local media and not a single one showed up. This is the disrespect Bernie is getting and why you aren't hearing things. However, part of the meeting was for supporters to show up at every public event to educate the public about Bernie. That's what he is doing.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...it would be better if he had more actual support from within our national Congress, but local pols can help recruit candidates at the state level.
Last nights event actually did get a lot of press coverage. Maybe this movement is going to explode into a blossom of individuals with momentum in elections. It is hard to imagine that happening without the national party support, like Dean was able to organize. Well, onward...best of luck to us all.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)doable for Bernie that way.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)ericson00
(2,707 posts)the answer: going Democrat at least 5 out of 6 times (only NH & NM went 5 for 6) from 1992-present after going Republican at least 4 out of 6 times from 1968-1988 (most 6 for 6 GOP during that period). From 1968-1988, Democrats averaged 113 electoral votes. From 1992-present, we've averaged 327 (even Gore/Kerry did better than Mondale, Dukakis, McGovern, HHH, Carter '80). I believe the Clintons must be appreciated and thanked for this. Clearly, they know what party building is.
Also, Obama's record on congressional seats is not much better than the Clintons: both lost the house in their first midterm elections never to recover it. But a Democratic president with a GOP congress is better than a GOP president and a Democratic congress. Of course a Democratic WH and Congress wins, but you can't win 'em all.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)86 and 90 is ancient history
bernie is building a bottom up grass roots movement. the democratic party, as establishment as it is, might not be the best vehicle for that, at least at this point in the process. as things move along, hopefully we can restore the party to its idealistic roots.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...still, as we're constantly reminded of Bernie's past history (marched with Dr. King, etc.) the past is prologue, so to speak.
An appropriate question might be, how Bernie will be able to organize elections to Congress on a national level without the cooperation and support of the Democratic party organizations like the DSCC and others?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)didn't means sh^t, in fact it was spun to make Bernie seem to feel entitled for doing it IMO
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)that the dnc is more of a hindrance at this point. look at dws dragging her feet on the debates. i think that is the point. the grassroots movement will not be relying on or beholden to establishment dems. it will have its own momentum. almost, but not quite, like a whole new party that will eventually hopefully overtake the establishment dems.
you know, as an O'Malley supporter, this whole process is likely going to be very good for him too...to get his message out.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...in the absence of those funds and organizing base, there will need to be a herculean effort from Sanders and his supporters. Is he fully engaged and prepared for that?
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but as bernrage du jour it'll do
dsc
(52,162 posts)among others.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)dsc
(52,162 posts)then how about Richard Celeste, Ann Richards, Mario Cuomo, Barbara Boxer and some others.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)my point is there has been a right-ward slide in the Democratic party since raygun-are you attempting to deny that?
dsc
(52,162 posts)well I have now named a bunch of those people. Just what is wrong with them?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)you seem hesitant to answer why is that?
dsc
(52,162 posts)as a gay man, I have to say I prefer our gay rights platform now to the one we had in 80, 84. or 88.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)2 Ann Richards and Mario Cuomo have passed. Richard Celeste hasn't been in office for 14 years, the remaining one Barbara Boxer pretty much mirrors Hillary in all area's except apparently she voted against Iraq, but we're told it doesn't matter that Hillary did ancient history and all that, unlike what Bernie said in 1989 and 1990
djean111
(14,255 posts)I am a bit leery of what, exactly, rebuilding the party really means. Any more Third Way oriented, and I am outta here.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...behind/around a progressive agenda to form a working coalition.
What I think Sanders is advocating is a more complicated task, that of restructuring the party with new recruits, ala get behind me/us or get out of the way.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)behind/around a progressive agenda. If the party apparatus is doing a poor job of representing progressive voices and there are enough progressives who feel that way, the party will either need to change or become irrelevant. If not, then not.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)Where as Sanders isn't. He only cares about his own agenda.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)I suppose we can't expect Bernie to solidify and do any Democratic Party building...but he does want those party members to vote for him, however. I suppose we shoud look the other way when considering he has by passed any opportunity he has had to join the party whose favors he curries?
If Sanders doesn't party build, if he doesn't push for Dems to be growing and united under the Democratic Party banner...what happens if he does make it to POTUS? What happens during the next election cycle when the Reps come out in force as a single focused voting block, and Dems are floundering looking for representation of some ideals that do not involve party loyalties?