there have been several very vocal Sanders supporters that will not for the Dem nominee if it is Hillary. I have yet to see any Hillary supporter state the same over and over and over.

But glad he is expressing this particular context.

as well as any hopes.

those "fears" kept cropping up anyway.

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the right to use its infrastructure and resources, to run in its primaries, or "liberals" will vote for him as a Third Party candidate. Or the ones talking about how people won't vote for the Democratic nominee if voters don't follow their command and vote for Bernie, that they will vote for him as an independent? I somehow doubt you'll be chastising those members. If I have learned one thing in this primary season, consistency and principle mean nothing.

talk with plan on supporting the Democratic candidate. I've seen some people claim that they will vote for Bernie as an independent or third party candidate; but he won't be running any such campaign, so good luck with that. From what I've seen though, it is Hillary supporters who have kept bringing up over and over and over and over again, the prospect of a third party campaign. Even after they've been given evidence that Bernie flat out has rejected that path.

And, some of these "so-called" Bernie supporters... meh, anonymous people on the internet. I take what any anonymous person on the internet says with a grain of salt. I remember all those who outed themselves after the 2008 election.

As far as the Democratic party owing Bernie anything... the party has accepted Bernie as a candidate as well as the other candidates running as Democrats. In doing so, the party does indeed owe ALL of their candidates the use of the infrastructure and resources

That's a relief.

Precisely for the reason that he stated. He's not out to help Republicans under any circumstances.

...he's good for the country.

No ego-driven child-man, he.

He has stated this from the beginning of the campaign.

that he ever contemplated a third part run. it seemed that going for the dem nom was always his intent.

exited to add: he is free to pursue his own feelings on this, but please don't post it with intent of telling or influencing anyone how to vote in the g.e.

that is still an individual choice.

" please don't post it with intent of telling or influencing anyone how to vote in the g.e."

That's kinds what we do, innit?

We want people here to vote Democrat.

but there is a vocal group of hillary supporters who are intent to try and force bernie supporters to support her in the ge, even if some of us might not feel that she is any better than an R.

many bernie supporters have said they will not vote for hillary. period. if enough people write in, don't vote, etc. it could mean hillary does not win the general, if she is the nominee.

i just don't care to be directed, frightened (scotus scotus!) or outright told i have to vote for someone when the act of voting for that person violates my conscience.

but hey, we all have free speech as you point out

viva 1st amendment...

... no matter how foolish.

But I'm going to encourage those voters to re-examine their position, because I DO think it is reckless and foolish.

maybe not. voting a corporate centrist into office instead of even losing the election to a Republican might take away any chances of ever getting a true progressive in the White House. Sometimes it's better to lose a battle if it means winning the war. I don't want an r to win in 2016, but I'm not gonna vote against my conscience either.

I'd rarely vote for anyone. But it's about making incremental progress. And I can;t see this country moving in the right direction at ALL if I insist on never making compromises.

I have to live in THIS world, not the one I wish existed.

Even if Bernie got in the White House, would it really make much a difference? I can't see how. He will be able to advocate, but without a much different Congress, his better ideas go nowhere... they are just feel-good rhetoric. Wanna make a real difference? Work against undemocratic gerrymandering. That has to happen at the state level and in the courts. Guess who appoints Federal judges?

is that the same type of energy that might sweep Bernie into office will also unload a lot of the deadweight in Congress at the same time.

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But so far, I think that has a vanishingly small chance of succeeding.

But if HRC gets the nom, I don't see how not voting for her helps to acheive your goals at all. Certainly Bernie doesn't seem to think it would help him acheive his...

but for now, working on getting him the nom.

Has no business on this site.


My rights as a gay American are still not secure. A Republican President could change all that.


So fuck your purity - you are very, very selfish.



My conscience doesn't allow for me to respect those that would put Scott Walker or any of the other GOP Cretins in office.

there is too much to lose to put a republican in the White House. If one gets in, it is "party over" in the Supreme Court.

never said i would. there may be other party options.

and as far as who belongs on the site, I guess we'll let the administrators sort that out.

if being scolded and commanded and threatened with Scotus hasn't changed some of our minds to vote for hillary, do you really think that rude insults is going to?

just a thought.

edit to add...you say as a gay american, your rights are still not secure and then proceeded to scold someone you know nothing about or what their own interests/ needed protections might be. each of us has to follow our conscience. sorry if that offends you.

What in your experience makes you believe a Republican would be better for you than Hillary?

... and no Democrat can. If they could explain to you why a Republican would be better for them than Hillary, then they aren't Democrats. They are Republicans

i just don't happen to believe hillary is better than a republican either. corporate interests will be served, the 1% will retain power, the middle class will keep slipping into poverty, and secrecy will reign. oh and we can probably expect another war.

none of that appeals to me.

And I don't mean that as an insult. I'm serious. Make sure you understand the possible consequence of your decisions:

The very real possibility the ACA is repealed and the millions lose their insurance, and some likely lose their lives.

A GOP President and Congress picking the next couple of Supreme Court justices, and lots and lots of federal judges. Expect more "Citizens United" and "Hobby Lobby." Maybe even get Roe v. Wade overturned.

The dismantling of the EPA.

War with Iran.

Continued dismantling of our social safety net.

Privatization of SS



There are consequences. You may do as you wish, of course, just make sure you take ownership for what you enable. And don;t try to weasel out of responsibility... You KNOW these are the consequences of a GOP victory. Weigh that against your "not good enough" feelings. Please.

and not the only one in play. thankfully presidents are not monarchs and have limited powers. And they're also a lot of congressional seats up in the next election as well.

i know about scotus and all that. but a vote based on fear does not advance democracy in my view. I do not want to cast a vote for somebody whose policies are almost completely opposite of my worldview based on fear.

It is unlikely we will take back Congress in 2016. We could POSSIBLY get the Senate back, but that's only a possibility, and even then, the edge would be one or two votes.

And I am less interested in the Academic analysis of whether I am REALLY advancing Democracy. I can assure that a GOP victory means far worse than the academic conundrum of whether or not you are really advancing the cause. A GOP victory surely means defeat for all of us. I do not want my daughter growing up in a nation controlled by a GOP that actively assaults her rights.

idealism smacking against cold hard pragmatism.

i have always been an idealist, sometimes to my own detriment.

i am in a state that is very unlikely to "matter."

It really DID matter in 2000, although maybe not in your state.

so i get it. in this age of voter disenfranchisement and outright thievery, we almost have to get a buffer number of votes to offset the ones they will take away from us.

repugnant.

I support Bernie, but should Hillary win the nomination she will get my vote. Not voting, or writing in another vote, is as good as voting for a republican. Ruth Bader Ginsberg can't hang in there forever- the next president will likely be nominating her replacement. If a republican is making that decision, you can kiss Roe v Wade bye bye.

And it is not just RBG that is likely to not make it to 2021 - there are several.

we cannot afford that.

Not being effected by a President Scott Walker.

no matter who it is. there are also important congressional races to be dealt with. Thankfully the president in this country is not a monarch, and as we've seen with President Obama, they sometimes don't have as much power as we attribute to them. there could be some important congressional changes in the next election. It isn't necessarily all doom and gloom.

Which is.. Hillary is by far better than any Republican and make sure you vote for her no matter what should she be the nominee.

But I posted to that effect before noticing that a ton of people already had.

Let's hope that his supporters understand that as clearly as he does.

Fortunately, I'm pretty confident that if Hillary becomes the nominee, he will support her and campaign for her. That should help with the "I won't vote if it's HRC" wing of the party.

who are currently supporting him but hold Nader blameless would finally get it.

Definitely.

Bush residency had the Dems shown a speck of spine in 1991 or 2000 at any ONE of perhaps a dozen turning-points

but as we've seen Cegelis, Lamont, McKinney, Halter, Romanoff, Sestak, Grayson, Kucinich, Buono, Lutrin, Sykes, Weiland, Davis, and Grimes they party would much rather punt than win with someone who might upset one of their gravy trains: we just didn't realize it back then, poor tender tykes we

going to give that man a

Not trying to be nasty. Good for you to post it as others might be unaware. Back when he was still undecided to run or not, he stated it would be either as an Independent or a Democrat as he does not want to aide the GOP.

Again good to repeat this. Just wanted to reinforce the man's consistency.

I truly don't believe he is power hungry. I'm not even sure he is comfortable with the thought of President Sanders. I really think he is doing this, and justifying it in his mind, as President of the Economically Depressed. That is my opinion and probably the highest praise I can give him.

people don't change suddenly at his age, he's the real thing. To real for US presidential politics but regardless playing an important role.

I'm not connecting the words properly.

and will not change suddenly and turn Nader on us. He cares about people and knows we can't allow a Republican to win no matter what.

But, also, let me assure you, since it seems maybe you haven't been paying attention. He's in it to win it.

Pounding into the heads of Bernie supporters to vote for Hillary if she is in the general. Make a pledge.

Soon they will have a marathon and Jerry Lewis will come out.













Because the fact of the matter is that Bernie himself has said he would not run a third party campaign from the inception of his run. But they aren't used to actually believing in what candidates say.

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It presupposes he won't get the nom. And he has already said he wouldn't run as a third party candidate.

... if Hillary didn't win the Democratic nomination, she would run on the No Labels ticket and that's why it was being set up now. The person was banned right after this comment, and your question reminded me of it. FWIW.

The back story, could he possibly be realizing already that he's not going to get the nomination?

saying this since before he announced his candidacy. Get real, man. I can't wait till the establishment bubble pops and you all can join us in reality.

Apparently, the 12th time is the charm

Good to know you finally figured this out.

From January 26th, 6 months ago, and 3 months before he announced his candidacy:

Round and round we go!

He said this when he first got in.

And "Bernie supporters" is painting with a wide brush.
Perhaps "an extreme minority of the Democratic Party" should take his advice and support the Democratic nominee, whoever it is would have been a better way to say it.

would sit out the race and not support the eventual Dem nominee, whoever it is.

No one should be surprised.

'Bernie is smart and his followers are assholes'

I don't know how you have avoided my list for so long - one of the meanest partisans in DU ...

Goodbye ...

Ever since he decided to run as a Democrat, he's ruled out running third-party/independent if he doesn't get the Dem nomination.

I am sure that almost all Bernie supporters will support the nominee when the time comes.

talking about running for President.

They need to be disingenuous about Bernie because they can't find any real dirt on him.

I'm glad that DUers are finally believing him when he say's he won't run third party, he's running as a Democrat.

He's just "shallow" and "opportunistic", a traitor who's taking their money now because ...blah blah blah...RALPH FUCKING NADER!

Hillary is the one who can win. Bernie is doing something wonderfully productive by running. He's ultimately helping Hillary get her act together and recognize her weaknesses. He's fantastic for knowing his limits and working within those limits Kudos to him!

We all know that Nader was not a spoiler and that their was a coup.

Second, Bernie is not saying this because he recognizes his limits. He's saying this because he recognizes the limits of the system.

Nader. That plus Bernie's steadfast refusal to talk/write/email with Nader for years shows exactly how he feels about that.

...none-the-less, Nader is not responsible for the undemocratic installment of Bush.

"questions" again and the film flam artist coming to steal our money and infrastructure shit won't slow down.

Now, I will say that even if that is the absolute intent I think it would be better strategy to keep all options on the table from all appearance to keep the duplicitous party bigwigs in better check, I don't like leaving sellout halfpublicans feeling like they have too much of a free hand and no consequences but Sanders has the ball so he gets to run how he can face the man is his mirror but I'd keep some heat in the kitchen if it was me because the bigwigs will have no conscience about shivving him or the American people to maintain power for themselves and more so their bosses in the ruling class.

Because it it's Bush, Clinton, Trump, and Sanders (and roughly 1% for the libertarian), then it's fair game any any of those people can win.

I don't want to assure corporate dems that they can continue to take me for granted. Let them work for my vote.

That said, I understand why Bernie has made this statement from his position, and I actually agree with him, but let's move on and get back to issues. The only reason to emphasize this is to send a message to entrenched power that they own us.

I don't know how you could've missed it.