I'm hoping they are crapping their pants everyday!

Probably not.

Lets see who is laughing after we get a few debates behind us.

...Sanders has a chance of winning is his home state of Vermont.

What a silly post.

You know how she does in caucus states.

Bernie's supporters are more energized and far more likely to go through the caucus process.


It is to early to make solid predictions. We need to see a couple debates before most people even start to pay attention to this race. If/when Bernie does win those first two states, then the race is on.

She could very easily repeat her performance of '08.

In Iowa at this point back then she was about 10% ahead, and she lost by 8% to a candidate who was a Senator from a neighboring state. At this point she's about 40% ahead of a Senator from a different part of the country. Comparing the two is illogical.

As for New Hampshire, he basically has the "home field" advantage, and yet he's STILL behind.

It is highly unlikely that she'll "repeat her performance of '08" - indeed it won't happen.

does that count?

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No. I Don't

attacks on him say that at least some of them are very, very worried.

What they should do, since the public is sick of these negative campaigns that tell them nothing about what they are mainly interested in hearing, is to show where Bernie is WRONG on issues that concern the American people and tell voters where they stand on issues.

But so far, the attacks have all the same, 'socialist' 'extreme left' 'not viable' 'unelectable' etc and they have fallen on deaf ears as far as voters are concerned, they just PROVE what people already know and are saying 'enough is enough' of this corrupt, rigged (thanks Sen. Warren) system.

So yes they are worried, we see it every time they attack him personally.

or they will get called out on any misstatement of facts as other reporters have. Even Chris Wallace failed to bait Bernie with his nonsense. Bernie flipped it over and quickly turned the discussion to subjects Wallace did care to discuss.

He does not suffer fools gladly

and I just unfollowed several of my Hillary supporter facebook friends because all they do is howl and screech about how evil and vile bernie supporters are! they have quite a few nicknames for us and that is all they go on about! they have lost their fucking MINDS!!

they may not be TERRIFIED but they sure are howling and screeeeching and whining all over the place.

People melt down on FB on a minute by minute basis.

I had one poster brag about how loyal Clinton was to President Obama and that is why she wouldn't say anything about the Keystone pipeline.

When I provided a link to an article showing how Hillary had bashed the President's foreign policy I was told that it was irrelevant because it was almost a year old. Seems Hillary's words have a time limit for authenticity, I didn't know.

I was told that I was too stupid to understand the games Hillary and the President were playing. The poster was as far as I could tell quite serious in their defense of Hillary. Definitely a lost cause.

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The Democratic Party leaders desperately want their stipends from the Oligarchs and therefore are pushing to keep the status quo.
Although Clinton has the name recognition and billionaires lining up to support her, they are worried that their investments might not pay off.

The groundswell for Sen Sanders shows no limit. Join the Populist Movement of the people against the Oligarchy.

You've got these fools on the run now!

Sanders 2016!!!

Fox News the GOP or Hillary supporters? Might help to clarify that you don't consider the supporters of the Democratic front runner fools.

supporters of the other Democratic candidates to win the general election, so it definitely would not be in their best interest to refer to another candidates supporters as "fools". Doesn't win friends for sure

jumping to wrong conclusions

for the bernistas. Someone must have found an old thesaurus and figured out how to use it.

I remarked on how they say Bernie has allies and friends, but Hillary has surrogates and mouthpieces. One of them explained that "surrogate" was not pejorative. Well, excuse me.

their individualism.

How could you be against Citizens United and use it to manage a campaign based off of PAC, at the same time? I cannot trust Hillary Clinton.

Can you break this mishmash down into facts rather than accusations? Provide links?

Hillary is collecting money to run a campaign? OMG! How dare she!

How else is she going to beat the powerful interests on the other side? By sitting home in a chair?

Terrified of Bernie. What childish nonsense. What we should all be terrified of is a republican Presidency.

that leaves a surrogate. That is who the OP was directed at Fox News, Hillary surrogates and Wall Street. Unless I overlooked other candidates supporters, reading is fundamental. Looks like someone jumped to the wrong conclusion.

nothing to do with that post. The only thing I said in that post was that whoever wins the Democratic nomination, they are going to need the support of the other candidates supporters in order to win.

That does NOT make me a "Hillary surrogate", or anything else, it was just a statement of fact.

You are the one who is not following the context of who I was responding to. It wasn't even directed at you, and you decided to ask me if "I was a Hillary surrogate?"

directed at them. That post didn't mention other candidates supporters nor did it call them fools, it responded to the OP. You and the other poster brought that up. I merely commented on your post. That's what happens in a discussion thread. That post referred to Fox News, Hillary surrogates and Wall Street as fools on the run.

Mrs Greenspan didn't do too well trying to undermine him either.

And was it Jindal who called him a 'socialist' and only managed to get great positive media coverage for Bernie who had more people at HIS event in Jindal's own state than Jindal had for his ANNOUNCEMENT.

So yes, they are on the run, mainly because they don't talk about what the American people WANT them to talk about, and Bernie insists that they let HIM do so.

work or vote for Bernie.

The sad thing they don't realize is, trashing Hillary is not their path to the nomination. If Hillary is damaged to the point she can't win, Biden will jump in.

Is that considered bashing now? Pointing out the better candidate is what primary season is for. This is a participatory democracy, in shambles, but we vote our preference. We want dialog not pretty words that soothe, real, honest ideas and the back bone to fight for them. We've had enough third way nonsense, enough is enough!

I'm questioning your effort to paint Bernie supporters as spoilers.

I welcome the enthusiasm that Bernie Sanders is generating, but it does appear that some are going overboard in trashing Hilary Clinton. This is something that Sanders himself loathes.

Yes, corporations have gotten far to much control over the process, but corporations are an essential element in a thriving economy. The problem is the lack of regulation and excessive lobbying to get tax breaks and means to under report earning such as off shore accounts.

Some may be viewed as over zealous and I understand the sensitivity of Hillary supporters however just on your points alone Bernie is the better candidate. Clinton's policies allowed or increased the level of damage done to this country and our people. Unregulated corporatism, tax breaks for the rich, war, the prison pipeline, education ect. She isn't the president we need now, she's a neoliberal corporatist. Even on abortion she includes the words, rare.

People are not enthused by Hillary, there's a reason for that.

If what folks are saying is not true then it's a smear, or bashing...in my view.

"Vote for HRC or you're on your own"?

Bernie supporters.

"I can't possibly vote for Hillary if she wins the primary."

"I will NEVER vote for her under any circumstances."

"If it comes down to it, I'll just do a write-in for Bernie."

No, see...THAT crapolia is coming from the Bernie camp. Has been for months.

Party Unity My Ass...

Not around here.

I have yet to see a Clinton supporter say that they would not vote for the Democratic nominee in the end. Not one.

So no, this is not one of those "both sides are doing it" kind of thing.

The poster who threw out this reference has it ass-backwards.

I haven't read comments from Hillary supporters stating that they won't vote for Sanders if he was the nominee. On the other hand, I 've read quite a few posts from people proclaiming that they will never vote for Hillary.

So, who are in reality the PUMAs?

I was really terrified that we wouldn't get to see them in action this time around.

If you think being nasty towards Hillary (which I define as 20+ hit pieces against her in GD-P every day. Actually it has to be more than that because I have a lot of folks on ignore) will gain the enthusiastic support of her current supporters should Bernie get the nomination, by all means keep doing that.

I can tell you it wouldn't take much more for me to say, OK, I'd pull the lever, but I wouldn't lift a finger to help or argue for him particularly hard if called on to do so.

The way a candidate's supporters behave is a reflection on that candidate. If something about Bernie is causing a significant amount of his supporters to behave like jerks, or if he attracts all the people to his campaign who are jerks in their daily lives anyway, that is an indication of a problem for me.

I've seen a number of undecided folks here say they don't like Hillary and are leaning towards Bernie but the behavior of too many of his supporters totally turns them off.

But by all means, keep doing what you think is helping your candidate.

Is whats said true or false? Maybe you don't like the tone.

I see enthusiasm and interest. Real hope and involvement. We've had enough of the neoliberals and neocons guiding us on to our demise. Enough.

I'll say to you what has been said to us so often...if Bernie wins the nomination who you going to vote for? Don't forget about the Supreme Court......

candidate.

Just remember what I said and also recognize that tearing down Hillary is not Bernie's path to the nomination. All that will do is bring Biden into the race. Then what are you guys going to do, tear him down?

Just like you and yours, we are doing what we feel and think is the best for our country and its people. This isn't high school, we're in serious trouble and need to get this right. Good luck with your candidate, let's fight it out on policy and facts.

Hillary not getting the nomination does not equal Bernie getting it. It equals Biden getting it.

Dishonest dealings do no one any good. I don't think that's tearing someone down. If pointing to facts and history is detrimental to your candidate then that's on her, not us.

On edit..

Why don't you tell some of your fellow Hillary supporters about your views on this thread where they are in full howl and calling a good DUer a liar and worse...they are full on racist.

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history to tear down Hillary.

That will not accomplish anything good for Bernie.

It's those attacking....

It would be a good thing to read through it. Very informative.

So, your message for Bernie supporters is this:

Hillary is going to win the nomination

And if you tear her down, Biden will win

It's already decided so you're all wasting your time

Got it, thanks!

"Waaah, quit picking on Hilary!" It's a good thing she's a lot tougher than her erstwhile supporters.

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If that were the case he would already be in...the truth is he will take Hillary's supporters away because she is upside down on trust with them. And many of them support her because they believe the meme that no one else can win because they don't have the money and name recognition.

The mistake you make is that you think that people are not dissatisfied with the status quo of politics...well they are, and offering them another one will not change that.

more than ideology.

But what you see as anti Hillary is actually anti establishment...and Biden and Hillary are that.

"what you see as anti Hillary is actually anti establishment."

Just saying.

If Bernie isn't the nominee, which he will be.

So I see it as an empty threat. Vote for Hillary or else you're gonna have to vote for Biden. Okay, I will.

Didn't even realize I was commenting on your post.

pointing out her faults is not tearing her down rather its campaigning

You act as if the vitriol is a one way street. It's not. Both sides have people guilty of it. If it seems like one side is worse than the other to you it's because for one you're already biased towards a specific candidate (so you're more sensitive to insults towards your candidate and more able to brush off insults to other candidates), and two Bernie has more supporters on this site (as demonstrated by multiple polls on DU), so you get inundated with more posts against your views including the negative ones. Both groups can get pretty nasty at times. It's unfortunate that it happens, but it's not limited to any one group in particular.


And anyone who says they're not going to vote for a candidate because they don't like how people who support them on an internet forum act, then they are either very shallow and looking to elect the president with a popularity contest and without viewing substance, or they're people who aren't actually undecided and are just trying to shut other people down that they don't agree with. I generally suspect the latter is the case when I see those posts regardless of who they're directed at.

We don't need to trash anybody.

BTW I've not picked a favorite yet...I do think you are correct on Biden.

I don't see it as a personal attack making the observation that a candidate seems to shift their thoughts on issues. Isn't that political analysis?

Possibly sticking the phrase "actual, honest" is what makes it personal to you. I guess I saw that as awkward wording in my first read.

In any case, like you, I find the food fights over these candidates silly. Mostly I ignore them.

I think the advocates on both sides would be better served shoring up their candidates weaknesses, and there are plenty of them...

clean your own house, Steven.

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But tarnishing him with the sophomoric actions of BooScout and George II is unfair.

On the other hand, they are indicative of a whole cadre of Clinton supporters here, and probably some Bernie supporters as well. I like to think, however, the criticisms of Clinton are grounded in her actions and policies (Iraq, TPP, Keystone, etc etc) rather than made of out of whole cloth ("Bernie doesn't care about blacks", "Bernie writes rape fantasies&quot .

You'll vote for him right? Because i've been threatened by determined supporters here if i didn't pass that "test". Of course i'll vote for the Democratic voice in a General Election. Will you sit it out if Bernie is the nominee?

Well, since it's a reply to the original post, "These fools" obviously means "Fox News, Hillary surrogates and Wall Street".

I'm not so sure a "Hillary surrogate" is the same thing as just a Hillary supporter. "Surrogate" meaning in this case "a person appointed to act for another; deputy."


But you guys sure went all paranoid and "terrified"....complete with warnings about what could happen if everyone wasn't more cordial.

So far by 1% and Clinton campaign. First they were dismissive. When he started gaining, they tried vulgar attacks. McCaskill and Guerrituz attacks were crude and ineffective.

Now we have seen phase two. More crafty subtle attacks by "progressives". Started with Wiener. Barney Frank. We had recent one by dailykos owner.

What will we are next?