Debates, primary schedule...I'd like to see tptb take the primary seriously.

I wanna know!

They (her committed supporters) tried to give all of the invalid votes to HC but because of the protests, the Convention divided the delegate votes among all the candidates, even tho Obama and other candidates were not on our ballot - like why bother if the votes didn't count....and then they did.

Lucy moving the football, but Charlie got it this time.

Wassermann-Schultz didn't think following the schedule was
important then.

She should be up front on this issue!

snip> As of 13 July 2015, the tentative schedule for 2016 is as follows:[46][unreliable source?]
February

Monday, February 1: Iowa caucus
Tuesday, February 9: New Hampshire (open primary)
Saturday, February 20: South Carolina (open primary)
Tuesday, February 23: Nevada caucus

Note that the DNC did vote on this issue in Aug, 2014, see:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/democrats-vote-2016-primary-calendar-plan

According to our DNC chair, Debbie Wassermann Schultz of Florida?

Dems Do Little to Alter 2016 Delegate Selection Rules
http://frontloading.blogspot.com/2014/05/dems-do-little-to-alter-2016-delegate.html

Havoc was unleashed in 08.
Why are we acting like nothing happened?

Originally, the idea was that the 3rd and 4th states would alternate.
They were not always to be South Carolina and Nevada.

There's PRECEDENCE!

There's an amazing thing called Google. And states, not the DNC, chooses the dates of their primary elections.
Political parties do have rules.

Why would anyone think it would be acceptable to her NOW?

The current DNC chair was responsible for FLOUTING them.

Wasserman Schultz didn't become chair until 2011

(Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee )

day.

But apparently the "rules" are OK this time.
According to the DNC Chair that said that they were "ridiculous"
before breaking them in 08.

Different dates.

It was the ORDER that mattered. Florida and Michigan will still be over a month out.

Did you have a problem with it for the past 40 years?

I'm not crazy that Iowa and NH start the season. But it's a long tradition there, and that's partly why SC was moved up in more recent years.

But it's not like anything UNUSUAL is going on here.

Do did Carl and Sander Levin here in Michigan.

Why are they OK now, and RIDICULOUS then?

In 08, Dean said that the time to address these issues was BEFORE
the primary, not DURING the primary.

Why isn't Wassermann Schultz crying for an earlier Florida vote?

But the rules are the rules. These have been the rules (NH and Iowa going before other states), for better or worse, for many many decades. I don't think either of those states is very representative of anything. But I also respect the system. You can't break the rules; you have to change them.

"You can't break the rules; you have to change them. "

Do you think she will uphold the rules in '16
if Bernie Sanders does well in Iowa and/or New Hampshire?

Here is the link to one of her interviews at the time.

http://www.newsweek.com/florida-dems-jumping-their-primary-100407

and the state Democrats failed in their bid to get it changed.

So you're blaming DWS because she got interviewed about it? The article explains how the options were very limited. I think you're looking for a bogey-man (make that bogey-woman) when this was a general problem for Florida Democrats. Color me unimpressed.

Ha!



http://www.newsweek.com/florida-dems-jumping-their-primary-100407

snip> The Florida Democratic Party is in a defiant mood. Over the weekend it decided to press ahead with plans to hold its presidential primary on Jan. 29, in violation of Democratic National Committee rules that allow only Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina to hold contests before Feb. 5. As a result the DNC is expected to make good on its threat to strip Florida of its delegates at the party's nominating convention in August 2008. The state faces an additional punishment, too: the leading Democratic presidential contenders signed a pledge, promoted by the four early-voting states, not to campaign in Florida if the state stuck to the pushed-up date. Though Florida Democrats debated alternatives, such as holding a caucus or mail-in vote after Feb. 5, in the end they decided to hold firm. To find out why, NEWSWEEK's Arian Campo-Flores spoke with U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Democrat from Broward County. Excerpts: <unsnip

I don't think Wassermann-Schultz should BE the head of the DNC.


She CLEARLY doesn't care about the "rules".

I notice that Michigan and Florida have March dates.
How will this be different from the 08 fiasco?

...when she wanted Florida's invalid primary votes counted for Hillary.

I have no confidence that she will uphold ANY rules if they don't favor Hillary.

...and when she WAS DNC Chair, she violated which rules? I'm still confused.

All that mattered was counting the votes for Hillary.

I don't believe that she will uphold the rules now that she IS CHAIR if Bernie does well in Iowa
and New Hampshire because...."rules are counterproductive" to her aims.

Still confused?

...I'm still confused as to which "the rules" she's not going to uphold.

First, do you have any indication that Florida or any other State is going to attempt to jump the line this time?

Second, are you suggesting that she'll override the entire DNC in letting them (nb - I personally know the DNC member who ran the Rules Committee back in 2008; I don't think he'd cave to anyone)

Third, unless you're suggesting that she's somehow going to invalidate an actual vote count (a violation of State laws), I'm not clear how any of this allows her rig the deck for Sanders.

In any event, perhaps you should take this up with Bernie; I'm not aware that he's expressed any concerns about his ability to have a fair Primary process.

It happened in the last contested primary, and it can happen again.

It concerns me that the current head of the DNC advocated throwing
the rules out for Florida in 08.

You are totally confused if you think DWS will "rig the deck for Sanders".

to an old post I remembered posting:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026740185

http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-presidential-primary-schedule-calendar/

And the exact same order that caused so much trouble in 08.

Monday, February 1: Iowa caucus
Tuesday, February 9: New Hampshire primary
Saturday, February 20: South Carolina open primary
Tuesday, February 23: Nevada caucus

Beyond that, States can pretty much pick whichever date they want without DNC clearance.