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mmonk

(52,589 posts)
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 06:41 AM Aug 2015

To those that do not want to restore financial protections (or care much about it)

Last edited Mon Aug 3, 2015, 07:48 AM - Edit history (2)

to the American economic system or restore ladders for advancement for average wage earners, I still don't get why you think it would be radical or impractical, and the status quo candidates in that regard are better than Bernie. Maybe if you gave reasons why instead of talking about Bernie supporters or why he can't win, I could understand your positions better. It's hard to do deflecting the personal things (I think some positions of O'Malley are good as well). Seeking dialogue on the American economic condition going forward. I understand your positions on other domestic matters, though not sure on your foreign policy positions. Anyone want to talk policy or not that fun?


Note: This is not an argumentative attempt. I want to know for my own mind. Knowledge about what people are thinking helps me organize my thoughts.

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To those that do not want to restore financial protections (or care much about it) (Original Post) mmonk Aug 2015 OP
I think if you are in the top 10% you don't care about that at all. zeemike Aug 2015 #1
You got it. raouldukelives Aug 2015 #3
I share your concern about restoring financial protections. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #2
We need to restore financial protections via strong regulations of banks and of Wall St but in terms Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #4
Can you go about discussions without that? mmonk Aug 2015 #5
I said what I said. What did I say? I said we need to create, not restore, such ladders and I Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #7
I do agree we have to create new ones. mmonk Aug 2015 #6

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
1. I think if you are in the top 10% you don't care about that at all.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 07:45 AM
Aug 2015

Or if you have a stock portfolio and make your living off of dividends on unheated wealth you could care less about some low paid worker...they are obviously too lazy.

For those people the establishment candidate if just fine...no need to change a thing...or to even talk about it...just vote for the personality and let the good times roll.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
3. You got it.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 09:55 AM
Aug 2015

Liberal ideals are fine and dandy to talk about. Some even find it kinda fun. It is when the rubber meets the road that the squealing starts.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
2. I share your concern about restoring financial protections.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 09:23 AM
Aug 2015

The New Deal era financial protections served us well for many years. Now the landscape has changed radically at our expense.

“A small group had concentrated into their own hands an almost complete control over other people’s property, other people’s money, other people’s labor - other people’s lives. For too many of us life was no longer free; liberty no longer real; men could no longer follow the pursuit of happiness." ~ Franklin D. Roosevelt

"We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob."---FDR, October 31, 1936

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
4. We need to restore financial protections via strong regulations of banks and of Wall St but in terms
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 10:11 AM
Aug 2015

of ladders for advancement of the average wage earner those ladders have never actually existed and need to be created, not restored but built from scratch. I don't understand why you think there were formerly such avenues for the average worker when in previous times ladders of advancement were denied to all women, racial minorities and LGBT.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
5. Can you go about discussions without that?
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 10:44 AM
Aug 2015

The ladders I'm speaking of are for everyone. Things like a free education, a safety net, a retirement income, medical access etc., not the fact society had an apartheid influence. Are you saying we shouldn't go with things that work because when they were implemented in the past, institutional racism or misogyny, etc. existed and thus they are invalid measures as a means to lift families upwards when applied to everyone? Not trying to be snarky, I'm talking about things that create a middle class.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
7. I said what I said. What did I say? I said we need to create, not restore, such ladders and I
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 12:14 PM
Aug 2015

pointed out that your claim that such ladders for advancement were formerly available to average people was not really accurate. So if you say 'create ladders for advancement' instead of claiming to 'restore' them, others don't have to worry about the hidden bits in the language.
I mean, what specific ladders of advancement were available in the past, that you wish to restore? Do you insist on restoration rather than replacement by more modern and efficient ladders?

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
6. I do agree we have to create new ones.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 10:49 AM
Aug 2015

I don't want that lost on anyone. I accept your answers, I didn't say it worked for everyone. I understand that society blocked people as well from ascending.

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