2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSorry, folks: Joe Biden is not running for president
By Paul Waldman August 3 at 11:53 AM
I have some bad news for the media: Joe Biden is not running for president.
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Like most politicians who have been around for a long time at a high level, Biden has a collection of satellites orbiting him current and former staffers, friends, fundraisers, and the like many of whom would surely like him to take one last shot at the big desk. But he has raised no money, hired no staff, done nothing that would suggest that hes actually contemplating it seriously.
And then theres this fact: its a terrible idea.
Biden is in some ways a skilled politician, but he happens to be abysmal at running for president. The first time he ran, in 1988, his campaign imploded when it was discovered he had plagiarized parts of some of his speeches from British politician Neil Kinnock and then other instances of plagiarism, political and academic, emerged as well. (Its an interesting historical footnote that when a video juxtaposing Bidens and Kinnocks speeches was discovered to have been produced by Dukakis campaign chief John Sasso, the press found the tactic so scandalous that Sasso was forced to resign. It was a more innocent age, I suppose.)
But it wasnt like Biden was headed for the nomination in 1988 anyway. He was at best in the middle of a very large pack. When he ran again 20 years later, he did even worse. He came in a weak fifth in Iowa, garnering just under one percent of the vote, and promptly pulled out of the race. It seemed that voters response to him tended to run along the lines of, He seems like a nice guy, but Im voting for someone else.
Bidens time as vice president hasnt been particularly notable, other than to reinforce his image as a lovable yet unpredictable guy, sort of a nutty uncle whos a blast to have around because of all the crazy things he says, but to whom you wouldnt necessarily want to trust the nuclear codes (and The Onions version of Biden may be the single best comedic character the Obama years have produced).
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Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)and this
"Bidens time as vice president hasnt been particularly notable, other than to reinforce his image as a lovable yet unpredictable guy, sort of a nutty uncle whos a blast to have around because of all the crazy things he says, but to whom you wouldnt necessarily want to trust the nuclear codes" Is just freaking shameful.
And I am an O'Malley supporter.
elleng
(130,964 posts)You saved me from writing the SAME!
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Amirite?
elleng
(130,964 posts)Gothmog
(145,303 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)Biden is a decent and good man, but VP is probably his last public job. He did terribly in his last two runs for president. Age will also be an issue.
"Thats not to mention the fact that Biden will be 74 in January 2017 when the next president takes office, and 82 at the end of a second term. Our oldest president, Ronald Reagan, was a month shy of his 70th birthday when he took office in 1981, and his advancing age was a serious concern for his presidency (Hillary Clinton will also be 69 at the end of 2016). While there hasnt been any public evidence that Bidens age has impaired his ability to carry out the duties of the vice president, it would almost certainly become an issue if he ran."
Then again, Sanders is a year older. Although, I think that age will be a factor for him too.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Check out his stand on issues, I think you will like him.
He seems a good sort!
Beacool
(30,250 posts)As it is, I think that Hillary is as old as anyone will be to still be considered viable. The invisible line was set by Reagan.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)If he ran, I would still support HRC tho. VP Biden would be my 2nd choice coupled with Gov. O'Malley. Chatter has been constant concerning potential VP Biden throwing in his hat. Oh well we shall see.
tgards79
(1,415 posts)...Hillary completely implodes.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)polling now is factoring in Biden running and Hillary is sure to garner those votes.
TSIAS
(14,689 posts)But now I truly believe that Biden is way more of a threat to Clinton than Sanders.