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askew

(1,464 posts)
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:08 PM Aug 2015

My theory on why BLM protested Sanders again and not O'Malley or Hillary


Here's my theory as to why Sanders is seeing more attention from #BLM than O'Malley or Hillary:

1. Hillary has almost no public events that aren’t pre-screened in some way. And she has secret service protection so no one is getting on that stage.

2. O'Malley's events are small and generate almost no press so it isn't worth the time to protest him directly unlike Sanders who has the largest events of any candidate this cycle so far.

3. The differences in approaches between Sanders and O’Malley post-Netroots protest:

O’Malley was forced to leave the stage b/c DNC debate rules forbids having 2 candidates on a stage together at an event. O’Malley immediately did interviews w/Goldie Taylor and TWiB where he apologized for saying “All Lives Matter”, talking about Baltimore, #BLM and reforms needed. He also spoke w/ activists at NN and was still talking to them at 11 pm that night. Since then, O’Malley has met with more activists, attended a meeting with 20/20 (an AA organization) & HBCU in South Carolina. He spent today being interviewed by National Association of Black Journalists at their convention. He was the only candidate who agreed to attend their event. He addressed Urban League and previewed his criminal justice reform platform that he had been working on w/input from minority/CJ interest groups with an interview with Ebony magazine. People were gobsmacked by how progressive and detailed his platform was. #BLM, DREAM Coalition, etc. all were praising it for being so impressive.

Sanders, on the other hand, got defensive during the NN event. He cancelled events post-protest at NN. Didn’t meet with BLM and other activists and continued on his normal schedule while adding language to his stump speeches about BLM and criminal justice. I believe he addressed the Urban League as well.

Now, it is much easier for O’Malley to spend time meeting with HBCUs, 20/20 and NABJ because he is still struggling to get above 5% in any poll. There is a huge demand for Sanders’ rallies and events so he has less free time. However, O’Malley has clearly made this a priority for him and has dedicated his time and resources to it the same way he has with Latino/immigration issues. No other candidate is doing more than him in reaching out to these groups and talking about their issues.

4. The differences between a vocal minority of Sanders and O'Malley supporters' reactions to #BLM online. Part of this is due to O'Malley having 5 supporters online, but his supporters and his campaign didn't get defensive or lash out at #BLM for the protests. They listened and have talked about the issues. Sanders has some real issues with some of his supporters. They have been ugly to #BLM activists and other AA twitter users. Telling them Sanders has done more for blacks than they have, etc. They are making things a million times worse for their candidate, which is too bad because I think Sanders deserves better.
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My theory on why BLM protested Sanders again and not O'Malley or Hillary (Original Post) askew Aug 2015 OP
Probably a simplification, but that's where the cameras were in Seattle at time. Plus, Hoyt Aug 2015 #1
Correct, it all reduces to making Bernie bow down at this point aikoaiko Aug 2015 #2
So, this is all Bernie's, and his supporters', fault, and #BLM is now compelled to djean111 Aug 2015 #3
No there were two parts to the post. Mayberry Machiavelli Aug 2015 #7
Still doesn't explain #bowdownbernie. stranger81 Aug 2015 #8
Yeah I agree with that, it speaks to a special emnity against Bernie. Mayberry Machiavelli Aug 2015 #9
BLM is shilling for Hillary AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #4
Most people don't live on the Internet, Tweet, Facebook, etc. HappyPlace Aug 2015 #5
I am just not certain MuseRider Aug 2015 #6
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. Probably a simplification, but that's where the cameras were in Seattle at time. Plus,
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:17 PM
Aug 2015

Sanders has been bashing banksters, corporations, rich, etc., and deservedly so. But to BLM, that's the least of their concern when the police might shoot them tomorrow.

aikoaiko

(34,184 posts)
2. Correct, it all reduces to making Bernie bow down at this point
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:18 PM
Aug 2015

#bowdownBernie

I didn't say it, BLM did.
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. So, this is all Bernie's, and his supporters', fault, and #BLM is now compelled to
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:21 PM
Aug 2015

disrupt him and scream at him any time they can. Is that your gist?

The kind of funny thing about the furor here at DU is that I do not see why any of this would sway anyone to switch their support.

And looks like O'Malley has had experience in detailed criminal justice plans - only in the opposite way, when he was wanting to be governor -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/as-mayor-of-baltimore-omalleys-policing-strategy-sowed-mistrust/2015/04/25/af81178a-ea9d-11e4-9767-6276fc9b0ada_story.html

Police in Baltimore — like their counterparts elsewhere — have had strained relations with African Americans for generations. But community leaders say the relationship reached a nadir during O’Malley’s tenure, thanks to a policing strategy that resulted in tens of thousands of arrests for minor offenses such as loitering and littering.
......
Although prosecutors declined to bring many of the cases, activists contend that those who were arrested often could not get their records expunged, making it harder for them to get jobs.
“We still have men who are suffering from it today,” said Marvin “Doc” Cheathem, a past president of the Baltimore branch of the NAACP, which won a court settlement stemming from the city’s policing policies. “The guy is good at talking, but a lot of us know the real story of the harm he brought to our city.”

Bishop Douglas Miles, a community leader, said O’Malley’s department “set the tone for how the police department in Baltimore has reacted to poor and African American communities since then.”

“None of us are in favor of crime,” Miles said. “But we also recognized that you couldn’t correct the problem through wholesale arrests.”

Mayberry Machiavelli

(21,096 posts)
7. No there were two parts to the post.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:35 PM
Aug 2015

The more important point was that Sanders is targeted because his rallies are big, have a big audience and get media coverage (unlike O'Malley), and he has no real security there (unlike Hillary or the GOP), so it's more a target of opportunity rather than because of Bernie's specific failings as a candidate.

The business about antagonism between Bernie supporters and BLM supporters was a secondary issue that unfortunately dilutes the first point.

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
8. Still doesn't explain #bowdownbernie.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:38 PM
Aug 2015

There's no similar effort to humiliate any of the other candidates, no matter what side of the aisle.

Mayberry Machiavelli

(21,096 posts)
9. Yeah I agree with that, it speaks to a special emnity against Bernie.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:40 PM
Aug 2015

Once again this illustrates the huge shortcomings of having a movement without any leadership structure. Anyone can claim affiliation and their actions immediately reflect on the group like it or not.

There is no one to disavow or disapprove of a negative action.

 

HappyPlace

(568 posts)
5. Most people don't live on the Internet, Tweet, Facebook, etc.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:24 PM
Aug 2015

And the condemnation of Sanders' fans' behaviors can be applied in equal measure to the Internet fans of all the other candidates.

Would it be better if Sanders' fans behaved more like Sanders? Probably.

Did O'Malley do a better job responding to the concerns of African American? Well, Yeah....

He was, after all, mayor of Baltimore which is 63.7% Black.

And Vermont is less so, about 1% Black. Yet Sanders represents the interests of POC quite well, historically.

According to the 2010 Census, 63.7% of the population was Black, 29.6% White,....


MuseRider

(34,125 posts)
6. I am just not certain
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:29 PM
Aug 2015

that this is a problem for Bernie. I mean, he probably does not like being interrupted and he would probably like to finish giving his speech but isn't this kind of what he is always asking for? If we don't do the work he will not be able to get anything done as President. This may not be the way he saw this happening but he seems to me to be fine standing back and letting them go on. It would certainly not help to force them off and it would certainly not help to try to take over the time they grabbed. This may not be the way we would like it to be (I am actually pretty OK with all but the aggressive manner of grabbing and moving him out of the way) and it may not be the way he would like it to happen but I can't help but think he is not pleased that people are engaged and going all the way with their message. I could be totally wrong about this.

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